slufan13 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Did we ever find out why Jolly played in the first place Saturday night? Neufeld hurt? sick? bad grades? This team is going nowhere so if you're going to play a big guy, I'd choose Neufeld and get him as many reps as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Did we ever find out why Jolly played in the first place Saturday night? Neufeld hurt? sick? bad grades? This team is going nowhere so if you're going to play a big guy, I'd choose Neufeld and get him as many reps as possible. Maybe Neufeld is looking to transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 Guess I could have done some research... 4. Freshman center Matt Neufeld did not play against the Sycamores, making it the first game he has sat. Asked after the game if there was a reason, Crews said, "No problem. Nope. None." Neufeld has averaged 10.6 minutes. http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/slu/billiken-beat/crews-on-jolly-incident-we-deal-with-it-and-move/article_2eec67e9-b0d0-546d-aa95-ce317356f6d0.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Guess I could have done some research... 4. Freshman center Matt Neufeld did not play against the Sycamores, making it the first game he has sat. Asked after the game if there was a reason, Crews said, "No problem. Nope. None." Neufeld has averaged 10.6 minutes. http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/slu/billiken-beat/crews-on-jolly-incident-we-deal-with-it-and-move/article_2eec67e9-b0d0-546d-aa95-ce317356f6d0.html If that's not a prototype Jim Crews answer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Majerus Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Ot maybe, but s healthy GG would have turned this season around to date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Grand Canyon is comparable to SIU in terms of record and SOS. They would have to be heavy favorites if they played at Chaifetz right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliKat Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Anyone ever find an answer to what happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Anyone ever find an answer to what happened? DNP-Coach's decison... and it's a good decision. He just isn't good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 DNP-Coach's decison... and it's a good decision. He just isn't good. Yep and jolly is #thefuture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Anyone ever find an answer to what happened? Of your three primary centers, Gillmann, Jolly, and Neufeld, Jolly is the best post defender. We needed someone to handle Larsen tonight. Between Agbeko and Jolly, they did about as well as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I still think Neufeld will end up being more than just a serviceable center by the time he graduates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I still think Neufeld will end up being more than just a serviceable center by the time he graduates.You well may be right but I'm not sure what you have seen to come to that conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 You well may be right but I'm not sure what you have seen to come to that conclusion. I like some of the limited minutes we saw in the FIBA tournament. He is still pretty raw, but I think in that tournament he moved well for his size. I still remember how awful Ian looked as a freshman. He needs someone that has a history of coaching big men up. We have not had anyone on the staff with that kind of history since Whitesell left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Gillmann is a center? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Bigs take longer to develop. In programs with more talent than we have, guys like Neufeld are supposed to learn in practice and from watching on the bench for the first season and a half. Lately, we have overexposed our freshmen bigs and killed their confidence. I hope Neufeld stays on the more traditional path, and we see the benefits in a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARon Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 If you expect to see much of a freshman center during league play you don't watch much college basketball. Gillman and Jolly only got the minutes they did last year because the Billikens had no other options with Manning hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 If you expect to see much of a freshman center during league play you don't watch much college basketball. Gillman and Jolly only got the minutes they did last year because the Billikens had no other options with Manning hurt. Agreed. Many people have way too high expectations of young centers. Unless they are McD All Americans or top rated kids, most contributions will come Junior and Senior year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Reed and Loe both started as freshmen. Easy to get spoiled after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Reed and Loe both started as freshmen. Easy to get spoiled after that. Rob Loe struggled as a freshman and sophomore improved as a junior and was a fully developed center his senior year, it just takes time. Willie Reed showed so much as a freshman and sophomore always makes me think what could have been if he played for SLU all four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Reed and Loe both started as freshmen. Easy to get spoiled after that. Yes. Both out of default. And neither were that good either as freshmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbofive Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Yes. Both out of default. And neither were that good either as freshmen. That's BOOTY, son. Reed shot 56% and put up 8 and 5 with well over a block per game his freshman year. And DUNKZ. Don't try and make Jolly seem less pathetic by misremembering Willie's talent. I'd take Willie's talent and character over Jolly's every day of the gotdamn week. Snobviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 That's BOOTY, son. Reed shot 56% and put up 8 and 5 with well over a block per game his freshman year. And DUNKZ. Don't try and make Jolly seem less pathetic by misremembering Willie's talent. I'd take Willie's talent and character over Jolly's every day of the gotdamn week. Snobviously. Jimbo. Only you are comparing Reed to Jolly. Of course I would take Reed over Jolly. At the same time, most freshman bigs are just not effective in good league play. And yes, WR could and did dunk the ball but that does not mean he was great as a freshman. Like the others, WR played because we were the youngest team in the NCAA having had terrible prior recruiting and then having RM release our other bigs. Remember Knollmeyer, etc. And while we are at it, RL was one of my all-time favorites and became a great 5 for us -- but he played the minutes he did as a freshman because of the Situation and WR's inability to be a college student. Continue your trashing of Jolly on the other threads. Instead, I see real potential from Neufeld. At the same time, I see zero coaching of him or our bigs -- and therefore am not surprised he is struggling under this regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Is it just me or are we always waiting for our bigs to "develop?' I will agree that Robe Loe developed. Ian Voyoukous was who he was when he came in and when he left. I would offer that he never really "developed" or he would have been selected in the NBA draft. Names? Husak. Manning. Braun. Heinrich. Baniak. Pedersen. Barentine. Johnson. Mueller. And there is probably more. Now add Gillmann, Jolly, Agbeko and Neufeld. Seems like we (SLU) are always waiting for the "big man bus" to pull up to our curb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Ian improved greatly while he was here. Ian was flat out awful as a freshman. He may not have been drafted, but he developed big time. He was a first team all-conference player. Heck, he was the starting center on a Euroleague championship team. He is the starting center on another Euroleague contender this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010andBeyond Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Rob Loe struggled as a freshman and sophomore improved as a junior and was a fully developed center his senior year, it just takes time. Willie Reed showed so much as a freshman and sophomore always makes me think what could have been if he played for SLU all four years. If Loe struggled as a freshman and sophomore then I'm not quite sure how I'd describe what our current bugs are doing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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