gobillsgo Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Truly unbelievable that Travis Ford has had four years each of Jordan Goodwin, Hasahn French, Yuri Collins, and Gibson Jimerson, and is not going to have a single NCAA (or even NIT) tournament victory to show for it. One NCAA appearance on the backs of two transfers- Bess and Isabel. We probably won’t see many more truly great four-year Billikens in the era of college free agency and NIL. Would love to be wrong, but I just don’t see it. Gibby and Yuri are definitely gone, who could blame them? And their last game will be in front of a half empty building, now that Ford has sucked the life out of this program. What’s the point of this thread, you ask? I guess just pure amazement at the absolute lack of results out of some of the most talented rosters this program has ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 It is indeed hard to argue against any point made here. More and more I find myself adopting the 'Ford ceiling' mantra I see from many posters. How can you miss it? I am also a disciple of the old school Billiken history where every time we hire a coach, we regress back to a five-year building period. And I am not in the camp that believes NIL nor the transfer portal will rescue this program any time soon (like next year). Sure, there are examples of success ---- Mizzou, Marquette and Providence (who my Big East buddy calls 'Portal U.' and 'Mercenary U.'), Duquesne, and Miami to name a few. But there are examples of it going the other way in Bonaventure, Murray State, and Arkansas. The powers that be will have to make a decision I can not influence. None of us can. My biggest curiosity right now is 1) what will they do, 2) given the lack of production on our current bench, what will Ford produce next year if he is still around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 I’m now ok with losing because I’m used to where we are in standings, and where we are as a team. But I’m told ford is not the problem, and he shouldn’t leave. why do fans settle for mediocre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Also crazy you can have a terrible season with a good team and fans think the conf tourney is the end all for the season. We can win the conf tourney and ford still needs to be replaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, wgstl said: I’m now ok with losing because I’m used to where we are in standings, and where we are as a team. But I’m told ford is not the problem, and he shouldn’t leave. why do fans settle for mediocre I’m ok with losing because sometimes that happens and sometimes you run into a hot team. I’m not OK with losing the same way over and over again. Blowing big leads No defense Abandoning a game plan that is working Losing guys on the bench If this team had any balls they’d be a top 25 team. Instead adversity strikes during a game and they panic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, dlarry said: I’m ok with losing because sometimes that happens and sometimes you run into a hot team. I’m not OK with losing the same way over and over again. Blowing big leads No defense Abandoning a game plan that is working Losing guys on the bench If this team had any balls they’d be a top 25 team. Instead adversity strikes during a game and they panic. This is what I meant about being ok with losing. It just doesn’t suck anymore, and that’s a problem. Further more, it’s a feeling fans of fords team have felt for 15 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, wgstl said: I’m now ok with losing because I’m used to where we are in standings, and where we are as a team. But I’m told ford is not the problem, and he shouldn’t leave. why do fans settle for mediocre and you promise next year we will get the next john wooden right? Billiken Rich likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, billiken_roy said: and you promise next year we will get the next john wooden right? I’m promising that a new coach is better than ford. Which I know, isn’t hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, wgstl said: I’m promising that a new coach is better than ford. Which I know, isn’t hard. Hell even John Wooden’s corpse could finish 4th in a one-bid league. But let’s continue to rip the bandaid off very slowly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: and you promise next year we will get the next john wooden right? Roy, we’re outside of the top 100 by nearly all metrics. You really think a replacement would be worse than that? Be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, wgstl said: I’m promising that a new coach is better than ford. Which I know, isn’t hard. 3 minutes ago, Littlebill said: Roy, we’re outside of the top 100 by nearly all metrics. You really think a replacement would be worse than that? Be honest you two havent paid attention to our coaching changes the last 40 years have you. we are 2 for about 8 in better than mediocre success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: and you promise next year we will get the next john wooden right? I don’t know if the next coach will be better but i think we can all see something is seriously broken within this team. I don’t know if it’s the coaching. Maybe everyone is pissed at Yuri for flirting with Tennessee. Maybe Austin McBroom snuck into town and banged out a few players girlfriends. I have no idea but I know something is wrong and I don’t think it can be fixed. When all is said and done it’s the coaches job to fix these problems and he hasn’t done that. Deutschkind likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 For 2 million+, SLU should expect Ncaa bids 3/4 years. Bizziken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: you two havent paid attention to our coaching changes the last 40 years have you. we are 2 for about 8 in better than mediocre success. you’re a character man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Nick Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 To be honest, I’m sort of numb at this point. The season of deeply caring about every w/L ended in December against edwardsville. We’ve been in the just “secure a top 4 spot” mode for a while. All we need to do is beat Loyola and then that’s wrapped up. We still got a shot. I’m probably supposed to be upset, but the prospect of a respectable season died long ago. Now we are just cheering for magic lightning in a bottle. Hope we find it because I’ll always cheer for the team #FireFord billiken_roy and 2010andBeyond like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: you two havent paid attention to our coaching changes the last 40 years have you. we are 2 for about 8 in better than mediocre success. Roy, this can’t be the reason you don’t want to do better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, JMM28 said: For 2 million+, SLU should expect Ncaa bids 3/4 years. This. If SLU was in the 4-8 range in the A-10 when it came to coaching salaries, facilities, etc, then regularly finishing 4th or 5th in the conference would be more acceptable. But that’s not the situation with Ford. For the entirety of his time at SLU, he has had top level facilities and been paid top level salary for A10 coaches, but with the exception of 1 weekend in March 2019, he hasn’t delivered on it. Schasz, TheBand and JMM28 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbj14 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 44 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: you two havent paid attention to our coaching changes the last 40 years have you. we are 2 for about 8 in better than mediocre success. To steal a phrase from finance 101, “prior performance is not indicative of future returns” SLU’s hiring history doesn’t mean the next one will be bad. rgbilliken, SLU_Nick and JMM28 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjoelabs Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, DeSmetBilliken said: This. If SLU was in the 4-8 range in the A-10 when it came to coaching salaries, facilities, etc, then regularly finishing 4th or 5th in the conference would be more acceptable. But that’s not the situation with Ford. For the entirety of his time at SLU, he has had top level facilities and been paid top level salary for A10 coaches, but with the exception of 1 weekend in March 2019, he hasn’t delivered on it. But they'll keep him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 minute ago, johnbj14 said: To steal a phrase from finance 101, “prior performances is not indicative of future returns” SLU’s hiring history doesn’t mean the next one will be bad. This. We shouldn’t settle for mediocrity because previous coaching hires, only two of which have been within the last 14 years, weren’t home run hires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 hours ago, wgstl said: I’m promising that a new coach is better than ford. Which I know, isn’t hard. You're talking through your hat again. You remind my of those zany Better Together true believers. "Well anything would be better than this!" Oh really? Let's put the guy indicted for bribery and mail fraud in charge of the new city/county. I'm done defending Ford but your ridiculous "promise" is worth less than nothing and you have no idea what the word "hard" means apparently...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 20 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: You're talking through your hat again. You remind my of those zany Better Together true believers. "Well anything would be better than this!" Oh really? Let's put the guy indicted for bribery and mail fraud in charge of the new city/county. I'm done defending Ford but your ridiculous "promise" is worth less than nothing and you have no idea what the word "hard" means apparently...... Ah there we go the truth strikes. Politics. Unsurprising from "Billiken rich" Better not get lumped in with "those people" huh, Rich? Your gross attitudes permeate your posts. Wow. TaLBErt likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 23 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: You're talking through your hat again. You remind my of those zany Better Together true believers. "Well anything would be better than this!" Oh really? Let's put the guy indicted for bribery and mail fraud in charge of the new city/county. I'm done defending Ford but your ridiculous "promise" is worth less than nothing and you have no idea what the word "hard" means apparently...... And a pre empt to your rebuttal: You brought up politics on a "mid major" college basketball message board. You know exactly what I'm insinuating, and the fact you can't help but launch a political assault on the City says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 29 minutes ago, Soderball said: And a pre empt to your rebuttal: You brought up politics on a "mid major" college basketball message board. You know exactly what I'm insinuating, and the fact you can't help but launch a political assault on the City says it all. Political assault on the city? The goofball in question was COUNTY executive. You are completely off base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, Soderball said: Ah there we go the truth strikes. Politics. Unsurprising from "Billiken rich" Better not get lumped in with "those people" huh, Rich? Your gross attitudes permeate your posts. Wow. I did not think this was controversial. The bill was pulled because it was going to go down in flames in the City and County. Your insinuations are offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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