wgstl Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 tripped and fell down the rabbit hole again.. What gets me about the NET, the timing of losses. Dayton was the #1 team to miss out last year, and their NET schedule was nothing to boost about. Dayton - Record 23-10, Q1 3-2, Q2 5-4, Q3 6-1, Q4 9-3 If we're lucky - Record 23-9, Q1 1-5, Q2 4-2, Q3 10-1, Q4 8-1 The Quad 4 should have been enough to completely take them out of consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, wgstl said: tripped and fell down the rabbit hole again.. What gets me about the NET, the timing of losses. Dayton was the #1 team to miss out last year, and their NET schedule was nothing to boost about. Dayton - Record 23-10, Q1 3-2, Q2 5-4, Q3 6-1, Q4 9-3 If we're lucky - Record 23-9, Q1 1-5, Q2 4-2, Q3 10-1, Q4 8-1 The Quad 4 should have been enough to completely take them out of consideration. The eye test...if we go 15-3 in conference play they might not care about the resume as a whole. Momentum probably means something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said: The eye test...if we go 15-3 in conference play they might not care about the resume as a whole. Momentum probably means something. I also think why Dayton was so close is because NCAA will do just about whatever they can 2 get 2 A10 bids. As long as the 2nd best A10 resume isn't horrific, they will at least try and get them in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said: The eye test...if we go 15-3 in conference play they might not care about the resume as a whole. Momentum probably means something. i would be willing to bet that if a major conference goes 1 game over 500 in conference play and we have less losses and more wins, they will pick that Big 10 or Big 12 team over us. imo if we arent a top 40 NET team or if we dont win the conference tourney, we are likely out. i am not sure if winning out in the conference even gets us close to a top 40 net. probably not considering how bad the A-10 is ranked this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, wgstl said: I also think why Dayton was so close is because NCAA will do just about whatever they can 2 get 2 A10 bids. As long as the 2nd best A10 resume isn't horrific, they will at least try and get them in. Blue font? I would love for the NCAA to have the A10's back. I just don't see them bending over backwards to get a 2nd A10 in over a P6 program. What makes you think two A10 teams is something they like to see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 -one of the metrics the committee used to have was record in the last 10 games but my bet on why this was eliminated is that it hurt the P5/6 as those teams lost in their conf tourney and the end of their conf season wasn't robust compared to a team from the MVC or the like that went 9-1 losing in the conf tourney final -of course all changes to tourney criteira are to benefit the P5/6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Compton said: Blue font? I would love for the NCAA to have the A10's back. I just don't see them bending over backwards to get a 2nd A10 in over a P6 program. What makes you think two A10 teams is something they like to see? See my post above. We thought our season died when we lost a Q4 game(sorta did), UD lose 3. They didn't have a great resume, other than finishing hot. If you ask me, 2 of the 3 big teams could all have similar resumes to UD last year, and finish strong while one gets the auto bid. --- While UD last year had a decent Q1 bracket, the Q4 has to have offset that in some degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCoBillsFan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 25 minutes ago, wgstl said: See my post above. We thought our season died when we lost a Q4 game(sorta did), UD lose 3. They didn't have a great resume, other than finishing hot. If you ask me, 2 of the 3 big teams could all have similar resumes to UD last year, and finish strong while one gets the auto bid. --- While UD last year had a decent Q1 bracket, the Q4 has to have offset that in some degree. UD also had a win over Kansas. SLU has the only Q1 win in the conference this season and it’s nowhere near the same level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 minutes ago, NoCoBillsFan said: UD also had a win over Kansas. SLU has the only Q1 win in the conference this season and it’s nowhere near the same level. and also had 3 Q4 losses.. more or less the point is finish really strong and whatever seemed to happen early gets pushed under the rug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Memphis is currently 37 in the NET rankings. We need them to climb into the top 30 to add another Quad 1 win. gabriel and Bay Area Billiken like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, cgeldmacher said: Memphis is currently 37 in the NET rankings. We need them to climb into the top 30 to add another Quad 1 win. Looks like they have a favorable next 6 games. The Valley Sucks likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, wgstl said: Looks like they have a favorable next 6 games. Yes, but don't know if that is good or bad for the NET. They might win all six, but still stay at the same spot. Probably need them to beat a decent team or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Just now, cgeldmacher said: Yes, but don't know if that is good or bad for the NET. They might win all six, but still stay at the same spot. Probably need them to beat a decent team or two. only one of those it top 100. UCF is in the 50's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Just now, cgeldmacher said: Yes, but don't know if that is good or bad for the NET. They might win all six, but still stay at the same spot. Probably need them to beat a decent team or two. We need Providence to win the Big East too...lot of potential value there. The Valley Sucks likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, JettFlight5 said: We need Providence to win the Big East too...lot of potential value there. Drake is also creeping up the NET ranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 now you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves. we beat vcu, dayton, davidson, richmond, then i will start watching the net for billiken at large purposes. until then most of the games wont mean much with wins and losses will be really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 12 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: now you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves. we beat vcu, dayton, davidson, richmond, then i will start watching the net for billiken at large purposes. until then most of the games wont mean much with wins and losses will be really bad. Of course that stuff has to happen too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, billiken_roy said: now you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves. we beat vcu, dayton, davidson, richmond, then i will start watching the net for billiken at large purposes. until then most of the games wont mean much with wins and losses will be really bad. We just need wins in two buildings where we've literally never won before! Westy03 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 As of today, the NET [aka BTM, (Power 5) Bid Transference Metric] transfers 3 NCAA At Large Bids to the Power 5. The comparison is to the RPI, the prior metric used by the NCAA. It would be interesting to do the same study comparing the current NET with the NET formula previously used, but I don't know if the prior NET is available. Those bids come one each from the American, C-USA and A10. SLU metrics: RPI 38, best in the A10 (which probably does SLU no good); NET 86, #3 in the A10; Sagarin 72, Massey 77, Team Rankings 79, ESPN BPI 70, Pomeroy 80, Haslametrics 89; average of those 8 metrics 75. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, Box and Won said: We just need wins in two buildings where we've literally never won before! Everything is under control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 6 minutes ago, Box and Won said: We just need wins in two buildings where we've literally never won before! First time for everything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, billiken_roy said: now you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves. we beat vcu, dayton, davidson, richmond, then i will start watching the net for billiken at large purposes. until then most of the games wont mean much with wins and losses will be really bad. The ultimate goal at this point is to finish in the Top 4 and get that A10 Tourney Bye, and the higher, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 9 minutes ago, Box and Won said: We just need wins in two buildings where we've literally never won before! So you’re saying there’s a chance? I’m going to go drink Blue Kool-Aid like a fish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Of course we play at Dayton right when Smith and Elvis should be up to full game speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowry Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 19 hours ago, brianstl said: Of course we play at Dayton right when Smith and Elvis should be up to full game speed. Good then they don’t have an excuses when we beat them. Crewsorlose likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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