Fall 2017 allegations against unnamed players (aka Situation 2)

[TFord and TRavs]

Slu needs a wake up call with a massive lawsuit

[gravilst]

Aside from  this disaster; bottom line is Pestello needs to go.  From what I have seen over the years, it looks like May needs to go as well.  If donors, fans, alumni etc want this to happen; the only course of action is to make it known to the board of trustees.  We can all bit** and complain here, but nobody cares what is said on a fan message board.  People should look into reaching out to the board and explain why they will withhold future donations.   The issues with Pestello and May do not start and end just with this situation.  For every donor/alumni on this board, we know countless others we went to school with.  It wouldn't be difficult to reach out to those who either don't care about basketball, or are not familiar with details about this situation and other issues surrounding those two.  Explain the issues going on at SLU and urge them to follow in reaching out for a change of leadership.  I absolutely hate SLU for this egregious punishment, but it is not Saint Louis University itself's fault.  It is the leadership at the school.  Change is needed, but thats just my opinion.  

[David King]

8 hours ago, slufanskip said:

Anyone know what they did that caused the suspensions? Was it taking pictures? Was it because the girl drank and couldn't actually consent? And by the way that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Yes means yes drunk or sober. Since when does saying I was drunk relieve you from responsibility? 

I'm still waiting to understand exactly what happened but if it turns out that they broke some f..ked up student code regarding sex and that's it. I'm done, I won't ever donate or watch a SLU game again. Colleges are to educate not dictate the morality of adults. Colleges have just become ridiculous. 

I think the main issue is filming/taking pictures and sharing them without consent. The photographer is expelled, and those who shared them are suspended. Goodwin probably got 2 yrs since he played last semester, and the other 2 got 18 months because they didn't.

[HenryB]

2 minutes ago, David King said:

I think the main issue is filming/taking pictures and sharing them without consent. The photographer is expelled, and those who shared them are suspended. Goodwin probably got 2 yrs since he played last semester, and the other 2 got 18 months because they didn't.

Don't think that is accurate. Reports said 2 got 2 years and 1 got 18 months. I heard Goodwin got the 18 months.

[Schasz]

7 hours ago, dlarry said:

Nice.

Good to see a Post writer asking questions thet need to be asked

 Hopefully he keeps asking until they are answered.

Rosenblum asks the question...Why was one of the players allowed to play while the others were not? Am I to assume by that question that Mr. Rosenblum was not representing Goodwin???

[CBFan]

10 hours ago, JeffinMH said:

See you at the next home game. I will continue to support the players not suspended or expelled. They are working hard out there and deserve support. I know this decision hurts. I wanted them back on the team fully. I just didn't expect it will happen. I am pushing 50 and a good many of fans I talked to who are my age predicted the same. Call me names if you want. Sticks and stones..etc... if the young guys want change, go run for your local legislator and make change happen. Before you do that I want you to think about something. This country elected a president in 2016 who has what you call a dubious history when it comes to things of this nature. Do you realize that is what motivated the Me Too movement? I cannot be certain but I feel that perhaps none of this result would have came to be without those two factors.  Remember for every action there is an equal reaction. I know you all will think that's silly but I think it actually has Merit.  everything that has gone on over the last year has put a microscope on all things related two sexual assault or related unseemly activity. some people just don't want to believe it but I think it's true. I want you to remember that I really do love the SLU Billiken basketball program. I go to Every men's game into as many of the women's game as I can. when my kids ask about what happened I can only say that a group of young people made decisions they probably wish they hadn't. Please don't stop supporting the players who are still in the program. Their commitment deserves respect. As with the situation with Reed and Mitchell, this too shall pass.

Hey self righteous saint self proclaimed high end critical thinker best Billiken fan all time #metoo started because of Hollwoods behavior that festered for years and hurt many women and those women finally spoke up and brought down Hollywood heavy weights.

#metoo is losing momentum because of over reach and the player suspensions are a clear case of that.

No charges are proof, filing a false police report of rape and no punishment is proof.

i want my 2 granddaughters protected but not like this.

[slufanskip]

25 minutes ago, David King said:

I think the main issue is filming/taking pictures and sharing them without consent. The photographer is expelled, and those who shared them are suspended. Goodwin probably got 2 yrs since he played last semester, and the other 2 got 18 months because they didn't.

If they didn't break a law I don't care who they shared the pics with. You're  probably right though that's a major reason for the punishment, but it doesn't cut it for me. If you let someone take your pics during sex in todays world your an idiot.

Also does SLU suspend all students for sharing sex pics? If not why not? They could say they didn't know but I would guess turning your head to something that is clearly going on  and ignoring it doesn't make it any less an offense. I'd think the lawyers have a pretty easy case to make that the guys are being singled out do to the higher profile of the case

[JeffinMH]

23 minutes ago, CBFan said:

Hey self righteous saint self proclaimed high end critical thinker best Billiken fan all time #metoo started because of Hollwoods behavior that festered for years and hurt many women and those women finally spoke up and brought down Hollywood heavy weights.

#metoo is losing momentum because of over reach and the player suspensions are a clear case of that.

No charges are proof, filing a false police report of rape and no punishment is proof.

i want my 2 granddaughters protected but not like this.

Look sharing the video got them suspended. I understand the actual sex was planned in advance and that probably didn't help. The is no way SLU is going to put up with that. Maybe Mizzou I suppose would have been a lighter sentence. SLU's commitment to academics over athletics is pretty clear. That is nothing new. I am bewildered why people do not get that. This ruling is meant to send a message. I hope (don't think it is likely) that an appeal will result in a lesser punishment.  I am not holding my breath. I don't think there will be criminal charges and the boys should be thankful for that! But like I said SLU is sending a clear message that activities of this sort will not be tolerated. I know that nobody wants to hear that. The pure basketball fan just wants the guys to play. I wanted the guys to play as well. When I learned about the events in question and that videos were released without consent, I figured this would turn out just the way it did. The videos were released publicly spelled the doom of these players. In conclusion, no video would mean no result that we saw. The only question I had is whether or not the females knew that the video was taking place. The lawyer says it was a small space and could have been hard to miss. However I think alcohol was being consumed so who knows? There are some questions I don't think we will know the answer to and less the people who were there spill it. If there is a lawsuit that stuff may come out. Honestly I don't think a lawsuit has a chance. It'll most likely be thrown out.

[Billboy1]

Whole process is unconstitutional

[dlarry]

One of the biggest screw ups in all of this was waiting until the semester started to drop the hammer.

Why in the world wouldn't they have done this during break to allow the players an opportunity to continue their education elsewhere?

Was this just another way to screw the palyers? Was it intentional? 

Not even talking basketball but these kids should of been given to continue their education.

Just go play over seas at this point. 

[billiken_roy]

 Tilky muffin you are an idiot.  

[Billy Ken]

4 hours ago, gravilst said:

Aside from  this disaster; bottom line is Pestello needs to go.  From what I have seen over the years, it looks like May needs to go as well.  If donors, fans, alumni etc want this to happen; the only course of action is to make it known to the board of trustees.  We can all bit** and complain here, but nobody cares what is said on a fan message board.  People should look into reaching out to the board and explain why they will withhold future donations.   The issues with Pestello and May do not start and end just with this situation.  For every donor/alumni on this board, we know countless others we went to school with.  It wouldn't be difficult to reach out to those who either don't care about basketball, or are not familiar with details about this situation and other issues surrounding those two.  Explain the issues going on at SLU and urge them to follow in reaching out for a change of leadership.  I absolutely hate SLU for this egregious punishment, but it is not Saint Louis University itself's fault.  It is the leadership at the school.  Change is needed, but thats just my opinion.  

I've found out that the AD reads this site, along with many other higher ups at SLU. I was even scolded by a boardmember a couple weeks ago for speaking the truth! I haven't seen that poster here defending AD and management. That is insane, that you have boardmembers and AD worrying about a public message board. What that tells me is that they are and have been paranoid. It's not hard to do the right thing, unless you aren't good at your job or ethically you aren't a good professional. I agree the university is systemically broken. I've heard people say this isn't on AD, I disagree. He is in charge and has no problem taking all the credit when things are good, but not when they are bad? Not buying it. If he was running a company and there were two major incidents of sexual assault under his watch don't you think after the second one, somebody would wise up and say there won't be a third? And those are just incidents we know about publicly. He's the leader and making apologies for him and Pestello is wrong. They are paid to lead not be innocent bystanders. They are both jinx's to SLU overall. This is my last rant in AD and Pestello. Beating a dead horse.

[AnkielBreakers]

2 hours ago, JeffinMH said:

Look sharing the video got them suspended. I understand the actual sex was planned in advance and that probably didn't help. The is no way SLU is going to put up with that. Maybe Mizzou I suppose would have been a lighter sentence. SLU's commitment to academics over athletics is pretty clear. That is nothing new. I am bewildered why people do not get that. This ruling is meant to send a message. I hope (don't think it is likely) that an appeal will result in a lesser punishment.  I am not holding my breath. I don't think there will be criminal charges and the boys should be thankful for that! But like I said SLU is sending a clear message that activities of this sort will not be tolerated. I know that nobody wants to hear that. The pure basketball fan just wants the guys to play. I wanted the guys to play as well. When I learned about the events in question and that videos were released without consent, I figured this would turn out just the way it did. The videos were released publicly spelled the doom of these players. In conclusion, no video would mean no result that we saw. The only question I had is whether or not the females knew that the video was taking place. The lawyer says it was a small space and could have been hard to miss. However I think alcohol was being consumed so who knows? There are some questions I don't think we will know the answer to and less the people who were there spill it. If there is a lawsuit that stuff may come out. Honestly I don't think a lawsuit has a chance. It'll most likely be thrown out.

Maybe you have more information on the subject.  Were the pictures distributed with intent to cause harm?  Were they distributed within a select group or widely distributed?  The pictures themselves were taken with presumed consent.  If they were specifically used to defame someone, then unleash a strong punishment.  If not, then a 6 game suspension makes sense.  

It is easy to confuse this issue with revenge porn law.  It would depend on the intent of the parties.  Based on the evidence noted publicly and privately, there was no ill intent.  Without that intent, the punishment seems a bit outrageous.  Also, if there was intent, but just by one party, shouldn’t that party take all the blame?

Frankly, thinking this through just shows how completely out of touch the University is.

[brianstl]

funny

[73Billiken]

Starting to make the national news outlets (CBS Sports)

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/6ca1b0c9-6314-39f7-acdd-7e4ceb4c5c3b/ss_saint-louis-suspends-3.html

[JettFlight5]

3 minutes ago, brianstl said:

funny

Just make sure you have a few high dollar donors with you when you do.

[73Billiken]

3 minutes ago, brianstl said:

funny

Trying to get more of those 3.9 GPA & 28.1 ACT students that don't have sense to keep their pants on.

[Tilkowsky]

One thing I would be concerned about is the police investigations aren't over.

That seems weird to me.

The suspensions are heftier than what I thought.

I'll be curious to see what they did.

Do they release the Title IX report?

[615Billiken]

F**k!

Woke up this morning hoping all of this was just a nightmare. It's not. 

[TaLBErt]

20 minutes ago, 73Billiken said:

Starting to make the national news outlets (CBS Sports)

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/6ca1b0c9-6314-39f7-acdd-7e4ceb4c5c3b/ss_saint-louis-suspends-3.html

Thank god!

[mechee89]

7 minutes ago, 615Billiken said:

F**k!

Woke up this morning hoping all of this was just a nightmare. It's not. 

Heard that. I was up every hour, on the hour, sick about it.

[73Billiken]

Apparently this Oct 2017 message from Dr Fred does not apply to this situation

 

A Message from the President on Compassion

Dear members of the SLU community,

As a University that takes pride in our global reach, we are attuned to struggles of those throughout the planet. With a campus in Madrid, and faculty, staff, students, clinicians, and alumni from across the world, wherever violence or tragedy occurs, it always hits close to home.

There is not possibly enough space to list all the hurt nor the right words to elicit healing.

But here are some thoughts I wish to share with you.

In the current ubiquity of tragedy and struggle, we have a shared experience. Our response to this experience shows that we are profoundly connected to each other. The human spirit is resilient, and companionship is enduring.

Especially in these moments, we are called to serve and support and to do so with empathy — to identify with the humanity of one another.

As some feel hopeless, we exude compassion and suffer with them.

From the political tensions and violence in Catalonia to the racial injustices in St. Louis, compassion is needed.

From the earthquakes in Mexico to the hurricanes in Puerto Rico, Texas, Florida, and elsewhere, compassion is needed.

From the terror attack in Edmonton to the massacre in Las Vegas, compassion is needed.

All are invited to take two minutes of silence at noon on Wednesday, October 4. The clock tower will be the central location for those who wish to gather in person.

Also at that time, the usual weekday Mass will be offered in the lower chapel of St. Francis Xavier College Church and on the south campus in St. Raphael Chapel (Caroline Building) at 12:05 p.m.

Wherever you find yourself at that time, please take a moment to pause — to reflect on the suffering of our neighbors, the legacy of lives that have been lost, and on how we may replenish our wells of compassion so they do not run dry.

Sincerely,

Fred P. Pestello, Ph.D.
President

[SouthSide_Billiken]

1 hour ago, Billy Ken said:

I've found out that the AD reads this site, along with many other higher ups at SLU. I was even scolded by a boardmember a couple weeks ago for speaking the truth! I haven't seen that poster here defending AD and management. That is insane, that you have boardmembers and AD worrying about a public message board. What that tells me is that they are and have been paranoid. It's not hard to do the right thing, unless you aren't good at your job or ethically you aren't a good professional. I agree the university is systemically broken. I've heard people say this isn't on AD, I disagree. He is in charge and has no problem taking all the credit when things are good, but not when they are bad? Not buying it. If he was running a company and there were two major incidents of sexual assault under his watch don't you think after the second one, somebody would wise up and say there won't be a third? And those are just incidents we know about publicly. He's the leader and making apologies for him and Pestello is wrong. They are paid to lead not be innocent bystanders. They are both jinx's to SLU overall. This is my last rant in AD and Pestello. Beating a dead horse.

Chris May is the most paranoid human being on the planet. The guy got into with a fan at Butler. A few games back a fan was yelling about the players (not directed at Chris), and he yelled back with a pompous smirk. The gameday experience is an embarrassment when compared to other schools we hope to emulate. This is due to the turnover in the department. How would you perform at your job if every time you did something your boss would have done differently he either barrages you with texts or sprints out of his seats to scold you? Watch him at games. That is how he "manages." Every program is in the process of imploding on his watch. SLU's holier than thou taking the high road major donor class needs to put an end to all this. Now is not the time to take the high road. The future of this program and the future of this University are in peril. Administration at all levels must change! 

[Billy Ken]

Just look at the history of the last ten years and tell me 5 programs that have been made better in the athletic department. Just 5. That's 1 every two years, not a very high bar. Go.

[TRN]

1 hour ago, Billy Ken said:

I've found out that the AD reads this site, along with many other higher ups at SLU. I was even scolded by a boardmember a couple weeks ago for speaking the truth! I haven't seen that poster here defending AD and management. That is insane, that you have boardmembers and AD worrying about a public message board. What that tells me is that they are and have been paranoid. It's not hard to do the right thing, unless you aren't good at your job or ethically you aren't a good professional. I agree the university is systemically broken. I've heard people say this isn't on AD, I disagree. He is in charge and has no problem taking all the credit when things are good, but not when they are bad? Not buying it. If he was running a company and there were two major incidents of sexual assault under his watch don't you think after the second one, somebody would wise up and say there won't be a third? And those are just incidents we know about publicly. He's the leader and making apologies for him and Pestello is wrong. They are paid to lead not be innocent bystanders. They are both jinx's to SLU overall. This is my last rant in AD and Pestello. Beating a dead horse.

If this is the case, Chris and Fred go screw yourselves.  🖕🖕