Pistol Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 2 hours ago, RiseAndGrind said: If SLU can't get Tilmon, I want Hasse or Mack, just because Mizzou is recruiting them too. Haase eliminated SLU already; he's down to Mizzou, Louisville, South Carolina, Pitt, and Purdue. I'm content to damage Mizzou's recruiting in 2018 and beyond (Gordon is a nice start, and Watson would be an excellent continuation). As far as Mack goes, I really like his game. I just worry about fit on our current roster. He's billed as a guy who can play the 1, 2, or 3 in college, but he's 6-5 or 6-6 with a big frame for a guard. He's more of a big shooting guard, like Henriquez, whereas I think we're in need of a quicker guy who can play PG and score. So if we end up getting Mack, I wonder if that means someone else on the roster is already being recruited over. Guards: Bishop, Goodwin, Roby, Moore, Henriquez Wings: Johnson, Welmer, Bess Bigs: Foreman, French, Gillmann, Neufeld Goodwin is an unconventional point guard, although I know that was part of the sales pitch. Bishop isn't a pure PG and Roby isn't much of a ball handler. Moore and Henriquez are shooters, and they're both about Mack's height. So the gaps there to me are another ball handling guard and a big post player. We might end up with a name we haven't discussed yet for that last 2017 spot. Then again, maybe the conventional wisdom on Ford - that he doesn't build a roster with pure PGs or post players, and likes athletic forwards who play a few positions - is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 8 minutes ago, Pistol said: Haase eliminated SLU already; he's down to Mizzou, Louisville, South Carolina, Pitt, and Purdue. I'm content to damage Mizzou's recruiting in 2018 and beyond (Gordon is a nice start, and Watson would be an excellent continuation). As far as Mack goes, I really like his game. I just worry about fit on our current roster. He's billed as a guy who can play the 1, 2, or 3 in college, but he's 6-5 or 6-6 with a big frame for a guard. He's more of a big shooting guard, like Henriquez, whereas I think we're in need of a quicker guy who can play PG and score. So if we end up getting Mack, I wonder if that means someone else on the roster is already being recruited over. Guards: Bishop, Goodwin, Roby, Moore, Henriquez Wings: Johnson, Welmer, Bess Bigs: Foreman, French, Gillmann, Neufeld Goodwin is an unconventional point guard, although I know that was part of the sales pitch. Bishop isn't a pure PG and Roby isn't much of a ball handler. Moore and Henriquez are shooters, and they're both about Mack's height. So the gaps there to me are another ball handling guard and a big post player. We might end up with a name we haven't discussed yet for that last 2017 spot. Then again, maybe the conventional wisdom on Ford - that he doesn't build a roster with pure PGs or post players, and likes athletic forwards who play a few positions - is true. Considering Ford's playing history as a point guard, I fail to see why he wouldn't want to have at least one prototypical point guard on the roster. I disagree, though, that Bishop isn't a point guard. I believe he is, but Crews couldn't work through that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: Um, no. My entire post was sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 38 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: Considering Ford's playing history as a point guard, I fail to see why he wouldn't want to have at least one prototypical point guard on the roster. I disagree, though, that Bishop isn't a point guard. I believe he is, but Crews couldn't work through that. I hope you're right. Crews didn't know how to use him, but he also had a player who could spark his offense. I'm not sure what Bishop's role looks like going forward into 2017-2018, which is one of the reasons this season is going to be fun despite the fact we're going to lose a lot of games. We get to see what the returning players are going to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Bishop is almost the definition of a scoring point guard. Unfortunately, he didn't have any finishers last year and he doesn't have any this year. Zeke has been playing point guard for the last two years. I would feel comfortable with him logging 8-10 minutes a game at the point. I know his defense is an issue but frankly, so is Bishop's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Again, and at the risk of saying anything which could be deemed negative by the crowd who only wants to drink the blue Koolaid and say that great recruits guarantees a SLU Final Four (wow, no pressure there...), but didn't Travis Ford (yes, a former PG) have point guard issues at Oklahoma State - and by issues, I mean not enough of them? Put me in the crowd that "too few PGs" at OK State is probably either a too simplistic and wrong account of tenure at OK State or that Coach Ford has learned from his tenure at OK State and won't make the same mistakes here at SLU. At the same time, and while remaining positive and giving Coach Ford the benefit of any doubt, I am not suggesting we recruit a true PG for 2017 immediately after signing Goodwin (who might have been promised to be our PG), not totally sure we need another PG in 2017 if we will have both Bishop and Goodwin and if we have others who can fill in as PG, but I sure would like to land another PG in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 As per Verbal Commits, SLU has given JUCO SF Raynere Thornton (6-7, 220, 2★) an offer. He would be a redshirt sophomore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise_08 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Not really a quality list of offers...did I miss Crews's return? 3 hours ago, Glorydays2013 said: As per Verbal Commits, SLU has given JUCO SF Raynere Thornton (6-7, 220, 2★) an offer. He would be a redshirt sophomore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Juco recruiting is different. High majors don't usually offer jucos until the spring. Georgia has already offered and Kansas State is close. If we're going to offer, now was the time to do it. With 5 new players already likely to start in 2017, the staff can afford to take this kind of risk. If his shot improves, he's an immediate contributor. If not, he's only here for 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 14 hours ago, Clock_Tower said: Again, and at the risk of saying anything which could be deemed negative by the crowd who only wants to drink the blue Koolaid and say that great recruits guarantees a SLU Final Four (wow, no pressure there...), but didn't Travis Ford (yes, a former PG) have point guard issues at Oklahoma State - and by issues, I mean not enough of them? Put me in the crowd that "too few PGs" at OK State is probably either a too simplistic and wrong account of tenure at OK State or that Coach Ford has learned from his tenure at OK State and won't make the same mistakes here at SLU. At the same time, and while remaining positive and giving Coach Ford the benefit of any doubt, I am not suggesting we recruit a true PG for 2017 immediately after signing Goodwin (who might have been promised to be our PG), not totally sure we need another PG in 2017 if we will have both Bishop and Goodwin and if we have others who can fill in as PG, but I sure would like to land another PG in 2018. I agree with this and at the very least finding a dependable ball handler and a passer. I was wrong when I did not like the selection of Coach Ford as the SLU coach and my belief now is who would have been better selection. I will always back Chris Mays decision of Coach Ford regardless of the results because of the body of work by the coach and the excitement Coach Ford has brought back to SLU basketball. With that said I really hope that next recruiting announcement is for a PG or at least a ball handler that can run the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBilliken Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 49 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: Juco recruiting is different. High majors don't usually offer jucos until the spring. Georgia has already offered and Kansas State is close. If we're going to offer, now was the time to do it. With 5 new players already likely to start in 2017, the staff can afford to take this kind of risk. If his shot improves, he's an immediate contributor. If not, he's only here for 2 years. The article says he would be a redshirt sophomore......not playing this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Raynere Thornton SF, 6-7, 220 Marietta, GA (Gordon State College) Offers: SLU, DePaul, Georgia, South Carolina, UTEP, Iona, Florida Gulf Coast, Florida Atlantic, Cal State-Bakersfield, Morehead State, UNC-Greensboro, Mercer, Arkansas-Little Rock, SEMO, Towson, Gardner-Webb, Nicholls State, Southeastern Louisiana, Maryland-Eastern Shore, Jacksonville State, Savannah State, Columbus State, Armstrong State, Young Harris, West Florida. Interest: VCU, K-State, Arkansas, UCLA, Cal, Murray State, Cleveland State, Georgia State, Troy. Latest News: Travis Ford was out to watch GSC practice and offered Thornton. UCLA visited recently, Cal called the other day, and K-State has been out a couple times. Scouting Report: Thornton averaged right around a double-double as a freshman at Gordon State, and has the ability to score from all over the floor. He hits the glass hard at both ends. A JUCO sophomore, Thornton will be eligible immediately as a junior in 2017; he is currently meeting NCAA academic requirements. Twitter: @raynere_3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 The most important recruiting question we used to ask: Can Raynere Thornton dunk? Yes No Maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 21 minutes ago, Pistol said: PF, 6-7, No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Pistol, if what you mean by power forward is that he's powerful, I would agree with that. But I would say he creates the most matchup problems at the 3 if his jump shot continues to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, 3star_recruit said: Pistol, if what you mean by power forward is that he's powerful, I would agree with that. But I would say he creates the most matchup problems at the 3 if his jump shot continues to improve. That was honestly just a typo. He's listed as a SF most places; I wrote PF because I was just looking at another player's profile right before his. Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Pistol said: Raynere Thornton SF, 6-7, 220 Marietta, GA (Gordon State College) Offers: SLU, DePaul, Georgia, South Carolina, UTEP, Iona, Florida Gulf Coast, Florida Atlantic, Cal State-Bakersfield, Morehead State, UNC-Greensboro, Mercer, Arkansas-Little Rock, SEMO, Towson, Gardner-Webb, Nicholls State, Southeastern Louisiana, Maryland-Eastern Shore, Jacksonville State, Savannah State, Columbus State, Armstrong State, Young Harris, West Florida. Interest: VCU, K-State, Arkansas, UCLA, Cal, Murray State, Cleveland State, Georgia State, Troy. Latest News: Travis Ford was out to watch GSC practice and offered Thornton. UCLA visited recently, Cal called the other day, and K-State has been out a couple times. Scouting Report: Thornton averaged right around a double-double as a freshman at Gordon State, and has the ability to score from all over the floor. He hits the glass hard at both ends. A JUCO sophomore, Thornton will be eligible immediately as a junior in 2017; he is currently meeting NCAA academic requirements. Twitter: @raynere_3 -we haven't discussed juco's much - BEast and SEC offers with some smaller confs and other power 5 offers might be coming if the interest is real -Coach Ford seems to really like guys that rebound aggressively, I do too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I do three. When was the last time a SLU team was expected to out-duel its good opponents on the boards. Can't wait to see Goodwin and French get easy points off of offensive rebounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo027 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 4 hours ago, wgstl said: No thanks. How many past Billikens could get that high above the rim? Maybe Willie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Anthony Mack could be deciding today. He had a Monday-Wednesday timeline for his decision, and here we are. I wonder if it gets drawn out as he continues to wait on Villanova. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Pistol said: Anthony Mack could be deciding today. He had a Monday-Wednesday timeline for his decision, and here we are. I wonder if it gets drawn out as he continues to wait on Villanova. Hes announcing at 6pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 21 minutes ago, Westy03 said: Hes announcing at 6pm He never visited SLU correct? IF that is the case, seems unlikely he would commit here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Yeah he cancelled his visit here. Looks like it will be Georgia or Villanova(if they have offered) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibruce Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 14 minutes ago, Westy03 said: Yeah he cancelled his visit here. Looks like it will be Georgia or Villanova(if they have offered) Read a report that we are back in the picture... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 20 minutes ago, ACE said: He never visited SLU correct? IF that is the case, seems unlikely he would commit here. Did he ever visit unofficially? Just seems odd that SLU is on the list with no visit, but Mizzou got a visit and is reportedly eliminated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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