GDT: Hartford, long live the Whalers

[bonwich]

I was shocked how everyone got up and left.

When the PA announcer or someone live on the scene makes an announcement that we need to evacuate, that's when you get up.

When a robot with recorded female voice announces that a fire alarm has been triggered and all the important people on the court are staying put - and there's no signs of smoke/fire - that's pretty good tell that it's a technical issue and there's no real danger.

I'm pretty sure Gus said something (like "sorry, this is out of our control"). If that's correct, than he also didn't say "false alarm" or "we're checking, please remain in your seats." So if there's a general announcement to leave that's not countermanded, that's a pretty good tell that you should leave.

The whole thing was also a pretty good tell that SLU and the facility have absolutely zero protocol for how to proceed in case of a fire alarm.

Game-day management was a clusterfork of biblical proportions, even for SLU.

[3star_recruit]

Agreed about Reynolds. I wasn't counting on much, but if he can be a contributor at point, that would be a huge bonus. It would also free up MB to play his more natural 2 more often. Reynolds will also help us play more uptempo.

Also RA looked very quick. We won't get much rebounding out of the 5 position, so we will not a lot out of RA, MY, AY and DR. I think we have a lot of "athletes" compared to some SLU teams of the past, but do we have enough basketball players?

The coaching staff is relying on the players to make the correct reads within the new offensive scheme in lieu of having a traditional point guard. By traditional point guard I mean a player who can punish you with the pass in addition to scoring. Bishop has the court vision to be that guy, he just needs some seasoning.

Until then, we've got multiple players capable of dribbling the ball down the court and initiating the offense. Hence Crews pronouncement that multiple players will share point guard responsibility.

[billikenfan05]

I'm pretty sure Gus said something (like "sorry, this is out of our control"). If that's correct, than he also didn't say "false alarm" or "we're checking, please remain in your seats." So if there's a general announcement to leave that's not countermanded, that's a pretty good tell that you should leave.

The whole thing was also a pretty good tell that SLU and the facility have absolutely zero protocol for how to proceed in case of a fire alarm.

Game-day management was a clusterfork of biblical proportions, even for SLU.

I wouldn't call it a cluster. I would call Guy's time management an issue on the anthem.

As for the fire alarm that is unprecedented and in the aftermath of Paris I can't blame anyone for responding to an emergency alarm in that manner. However anybody who went to SLU knows that if you hear a fire alarm you hide under your covers and don't answer the door so I remained put.

To say that they had zero protocol is incorrect they implemented the protocol and with lives at stake they should have told everyone to clear out.

[brianstl]

When I have my 4 year old with me and the fire alarm goes off we get out of the stands.

[majerus mojo]

I wouldn't call it a cluster######. I would call Guy's time management an issue on the anthem.

As for the fire alarm that is unprecedented and in the aftermath of Paris I can't blame anyone for responding to an emergency alarm in that manner. However anybody who went to SLU knows that if you hear a fire alarm you hide under your covers and don't answer the door so I remained put.

Yea what a up thing to have cross your mind in a situation like that

[bonwich]

To say that they had zero protocol is incorrect they implemented the protocol and with lives at stake they should have told everyone to clear out.

Nope. Zero was putting it kindly. If there's a fire alarm or any other sort of emergency at a large event, any organization with even the remotest amount of competence has a completely delineated crisis plan -- which also takes into account the potential for false alarms.

And it ain't rocket science. Someone in the facility (probably an AAD) is the designated crisis manager. The announcer has a set of scripts to read depending on what he's told by the crisis manager and/or public safety and/or first responders. There's a pre-designated assembly point (which can be as simple as "go outside and get at least 50 feet from the building"). There's an all-clear signal. There's a set procedure for re-starting the game.

Let's also consider how utterly ludicrous pre-game wanding is under the current emergency procedures (or lack thereof).

I'd lay pretty strong odds the U got a very unpleasant visit from the city fire marshal today.

[brianstl]

Is anyone willing to trust the people responsible with game day event management at SLU with determining if something is a false alarm or not?

[Westy03]

Let's also consider how utterly ludicrous pre-game wanding is under the current emergency procedures (or lack thereof).

It took them 10 minutes to figure out that my baby bag was not a book bag(apparently not allowed). Missed the first few minutes of the game, myself and my 2 year old were not happy.

[TheA_Bomb]

Nope. Zero was putting it kindly. If there's a fire alarm or any other sort of emergency at a large event, any organization with even the remotest amount of competence has a completely delineated crisis plan -- which also takes into account the potential for false alarms.

And it ain't rocket science. Someone in the facility (probably an AAD) is the designated crisis manager. The announcer has a set of scripts to read depending on what he's told by the crisis manager and/or public safety and/or first responders. There's a pre-designated assembly point (which can be as simple as "go outside and get at least 50 feet from the building"). There's an all-clear signal. There's a set procedure for re-starting the game.

Let's also consider how utterly ludicrous pre-game wanding is under the current emergency procedures (or lack thereof).

I'd lay pretty strong odds the U got a very unpleasant visit from the city fire marshal today.

I have an MS from SLU in Disaster Preparedness and I work in Emergency Response

Bonwich is right, that situation with the fire alarm was terrible. They need to have a protocol in place for fire alarms and any other event that could happen at a large public gathering. VP of Public Safety James Moran clearly does not have the school ready to respond at it's largest gatherings and most public events.

In light of the events in Paris, the protocols should've been analyzed, refined if necessary and rehearsed. One of my initial concerns is that a would be terrorist pulls a fire alarm to send people to the exit in order to shoot the crowd. This happened in an Arkansas school shooting a few years ago. So I would rehearse having my DPS elements staged at the exits to visually scan the area and report if they see any suspicious activity. Furthermore, I would have them validate that it is not a malfunction ASAP (which they may have done). They should've addressed the people that remained sitting and told them to leave if they we're unsure if it was an actual fire. No announcement, no guidance was given we know that for sure. I don't know if the other things were checked or not. Overall, wasn't a good reflection on SLU's emergency preparedness.

Couple that potentially life threatening event with screwing up Presentation of the Colors and National Anthem with non-stop bungling by Gus overall poor form in event management.

[Pistol]

I have an MS from SLU in Disaster Preparedness and I work in Emergency Response

Bonwich is right, that situation with the fire alarm was terrible. They need to have a protocol in place for fire alarms and any other event that could happen at a large public gathering. VP of Public Safety James Moran clearly does not have the school ready to respond at it's largest gatherings and most public events.

In light of the events in Paris, the protocols should've been analyzed, refined if necessary and rehearsed. One of my initial concerns is that a would be terrorist pulls a fire alarm to send people to the exit in order to shoot the crowd. This happened in an Arkansas school shooting a few years ago. So I would rehearse having my DPS elements staged at the exits to visually scan the area and report if they see any suspicious activity. Furthermore, I would have them validate that it is not a malfunction ASAP (which they may have done). They should've addressed the people that remained sitting and told them to leave if they we're unsure if it was an actual fire. No announcement, no guidance was given we know that for sure. I don't know if the other things were checked or not. Overall, wasn't a good reflection on SLU's emergency preparedness.

Couple that potentially life threatening event with screwing up Presentation of the Colors and National Anthem with non-stop bungling by Gus overall poor form in event management.

(In all seriousness, your post is on point. Emergency response can't be handled in the same dog and pony show manner with which the athletic department handles everything else. I don't know if the AD or arena management deserves more of the blame, but training is absolutely necessary in light of the embarrassing response last evening. No excuses. That can't happen again.)

[davidnark]

I was pleasantly surprised by yesterday's performance. However, I constantly remind myself during cupcake season that individual performances--good or bad--often don't correlate to higher-level competition. For example, Roby and Bartley never seemed to get into the flow yesterday, and yet Crawford and Reynold's both looked comfortable and great. When we play Louisville in a few weeks, I suspect Crawford and Reynold's may find themselves somewhat handicapped by certain physical limitations while Roby and Bartley find themselves much better equipped to compete. This is known as the "NGM Syndrome" (Newborne/Glaze/McBroom). You won't know how bad the syndrome is until late January, but I hope it is not a problem for this team.

[Box and Won]

I managed to procure this copy of the training video used by the Chaifetz Arena staff:

[TheA_Bomb]

I was pleasantly surprised by yesterday's performance. However, I constantly remind myself during cupcake season that individual performances--good or bad--often don't correlate to higher-level competition. For example, Roby and Bartley never seemed to get into the flow yesterday, and yet Crawford and Reynold's both looked comfortable and great. When we play Louisville in a few weeks, I suspect Crawford and Reynold's may find themselves somewhat handicapped by certain physical limitations while Roby and Bartley find themselves much better equipped to compete. This is known as the "NGM Syndrome" (Newborne/Glaze/McBroom). You won't know how bad the syndrome is until late January, but I hope it is not a problem for this team.

I agree with this and have the same fear. However, playing bad vs. cupcakes does correlate to playing bad vs good teams that we know. So we looked pretty good and hopefully it is a sign that the team has progressed. Pretty sure I just summarized the prisoners dilemma in basketball terms (BAM Knowledge from SLU est. 1818)

[moytoy12]

It took them 10 minutes to figure out that my baby bag was not a book bag(apparently not allowed). Missed the first few minutes of the game, myself and my 2 year old were not happy.

This explains why we went up 16-2 so quickly. Way to ruin the run. Westy.

[MB73]

We showed some real improvement.

Whether they will continue to develop-evolve-gel and truly play as a team, remains to be seen. The game provided hope that the kids can get to .500 or better, I still think 18 wins is possible.

[willie]

I have an MS from SLU in Disaster Preparedness and I work in Emergency Response

Bonwich is right, that situation with the fire alarm was terrible. They need to have a protocol in place for fire alarms and any other event that could happen at a large public gathering. VP of Public Safety James Moran clearly does not have the school ready to respond at it's largest gatherings and most public events.

In light of the events in Paris, the protocols should've been analyzed, refined if necessary and rehearsed. One of my initial concerns is that a would be terrorist pulls a fire alarm to send people to the exit in order to shoot the crowd. This happened in an Arkansas school shooting a few years ago. So I would rehearse having my DPS elements staged at the exits to visually scan the area and report if they see any suspicious activity. Furthermore, I would have them validate that it is not a malfunction ASAP (which they may have done). They should've addressed the people that remained sitting and told them to leave if they we're unsure if it was an actual fire. No announcement, no guidance was given we know that for sure. I don't know if the other things were checked or not. Overall, wasn't a good reflection on SLU's emergency preparedness.

Couple that potentially life threatening event with screwing up Presentation of the Colors and National Anthem with non-stop bungling by Gus overall poor form in event management.

I agree the fire alarm was terrible but I'm not sure the blame should go to the Athletic Department. Chaifetz is not run by the Athletic Department. It has it's own building management. They are the one's who should have procedures in place. I do believe the our game management should be chided for restarting the game without more notice.

[Quality Is Job 1]

I agree the fire alarm was terrible but I'm not sure the blame should go to the Athletic Department. Chaifetz is not run by the Athletic Department. It has it's own building management. They are the one's who should have procedures in place. I do believe the our game management should be chided for restarting the game without more notice.

I think the officials controlled that. Referees don't care about people in attendance.

[Cowboy]

-given the demographic of our season ticket base it might make sense to get folks to move immediately as if the arena ever needed to be cleared quickly the physical limitations of many would not allow that

-kid in the row behind me asked his parents if we ever have fire drills like they do at his school, if he was just a couple of years older he would have known the answer without having to ask the question

[Cowboy]

I agree the fire alarm was terrible but I'm not sure the blame should go to the Athletic Department. Chaifetz is not run by the Athletic Department. It has it's own building management. They are the one's who should have procedures in place. I do believe the our game management should be chided for restarting the game without more notice.

-I wonder how much of a role tv played in the restart?

[Old guy]

As far a disaster preparedness goes, most if not all institutions have a plan (in many cases pretty elaborate). The issue is to put it to work when the situation calls for it. This requires a schedule of drills for the personnel that works in the facility. It should be possible to check out if the Chaifetz has had disaster drills in the past or if they do them in a regular basis.

[TheA_Bomb]

willie, on 16 Nov 2015 - 2:29 PM, said:

I agree the fire alarm was terrible but I'm not sure the blame should go to the Athletic Department. Chaifetz is not run by the Athletic Department. It has it's own building management. They are the one's who should have procedures in place. I do believe the our game management should be chided for restarting the game without more notice.

The blame is on the VP of Emergency Preparedness and Safety. SLU DPS is at the event. He's overall responsible in this area. They all screwed this up: U VP of DPSEM, AD, Facility Management.

The saying in the world of emergency management is that "You don't exchange business cards at the fire." Prior coordination is key. They can all take Incident Command System training online, it's free. Apply those principles

[Duff Man]

I wouldn't call it a cluster######. I would call Guy's time management an issue on the anthem.

As for the fire alarm that is unprecedented and in the aftermath of Paris I can't blame anyone for responding to an emergency alarm in that manner. However anybody who went to SLU knows that if you hear a fire alarm you hide under your covers and don't answer the door so I remained put.

To say that they had zero protocol is incorrect they implemented the protocol and with lives at stake they should have told everyone to clear out.

I'm pretty sure if motherfuoking ISIS was going to target STL they would have hit the USMNT Friday night at Busch....if it was domestic terrorism then probably Bears/Rams on Sunday...if it was local terrorism to the STL, I could see the Blues/Hawks as a potential target.

but no...

a 60% full college basketball tilt between SLU and Hartford is the target of choice.

Look, I understand that this in part is a generational thing between people who lived in time when a significant number of people died in fires every year and a generation that like Mr 05 alluded to, learned that after the 4th or 5th false alarm in that first month of college that unless you see/feel/smell/hear evidence of an actual fire - you'd be wise to just stay put and wait that sh1t out.

I'll also point out that at a sporting event you're far more likely to die in a stampede or mass panic than in a fire or act of terrorism. The Paris plot was designed to cause such a panic and the fact that people didn't all attempt to evacuate the Stade de France saved lives.

And what if there was a fire, by fleeing your seat that we can be sure is 100% not on fire, you're potentially running straight into the fire on your way to the exit.

Gus mumbling something about this is out of our control does not make me think I need to leave. Gus saying 'we need everyone to evacuate in a calm but efficient manner' sounds about right.

[billikenbill]

With a look ahead to upcoming opponent Louisville, Hartford goes down to the Cardinals, 87-52.

[BigMouthBilliken]

With a look ahead to upcoming opponent Louisville, Hartford goes down to the Cardinals, 87-52.

Win or lose I hope we give them our best game from the start. Ash, Reggie, and Crawford the only remaining player from when we lost to them in the tournament? Maybe put some fire in their bellies....?

[Quality Is Job 1]

Win or lose I hope we give them our best game from the start. Ash, Reggie, and Crawford the only remaining player from when we lost to them in the tournament? Maybe put some fire in their bellies....?

I doubt Ash was there. I don't think redshirting transfers travel.