Bills_06 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Pistol said: If Watson's top priority by far is getting starter minutes as a freshman - assuming we'll have Henriquez, Bess, Graves, Moore, Roby, and Goodwin returning, and Thatch commits first - then yeah, he might go somewhere else. But we can move on. There could be room for both, but it may require both Bishop and Roby transferring. Roby won't be here, correct? Isn't he a senior next year for Goodwin's freshmen year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I don't know how good Watson is but it seems unlikely he'll get starter minutes at some of the other schools recruiting him. He's being recruited by some top programs right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bills_06 said: Roby won't be here, correct? Isn't he a senior next year for Goodwin's freshmen year. My mistake. I was thinking about a conversation I was having about Mark Smith yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 thatch has over a 4.0 gpa. I dig it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 hour ago, RiseAndGrind said: thatch has over a 4.0 gpa. I dig it. That level of smarts shouldn't be wasted with an Arkansas degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Someone send Thatch's parents the recent WSJ rankings that someone started an OT thread about. SLU rank 116 Arkansas rank 427 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Only posting this because I haven't heard from him in a while and this makes me so happy Carteare Gordon @CarteareGordon 2m2 minutes ago I'm So STL SLUUUU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 There is no way a guy who is ranked as high as Watson is thinks he's not playing great minutes anywhere he goes in the country. (minus top 5 programs) If he is worried about minutes in choosing a college destination, he either isn't that good or doesn't realize how good he is. SLU would have plenty of minutes to go around regardless. So much can happen in the 2 years before he would be on campus. Remember sometimes guys you don't want to transfer wind up transferring. It isn't just the guys who get the boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, JMM28 said: There is no way a guy who is ranked as high as Watson is thinks he's not playing great minutes anywhere he goes in the country. (minus top 5 programs) If he is worried about minutes in choosing a college destination, he either isn't that good or doesn't realize how good he is. SLU would have plenty of minutes to go around regardless. So much can happen in the 2 years before he would be on campus. Remember sometimes guys you don't want to transfer wind up transferring. It isn't just the guys who get the boot. There's a top 50 player freshman playing for VCU right now who averages less than 15 min a game. There are simpler more experienced players playing in front of him. Yet VCU is not even close to a top 5 program. A school's ranking tells you nothing about the depth at a player's position. You have to examine a team's roster. That's a big reason why there are a gazillion transfers each year - not enough players are doing their due diligence and evaluating the talent at their position. We should applaud families that do. Tyler Cook, for example, chose Iowa which graduated a starter at his position. Smart move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 hours ago, 3star_recruit said: There's a top 50 player freshman playing for VCU right now who averages less than 15 min a game. There are simpler more experienced players playing in front of him. Yet VCU is not even close to a top 5 program. A school's ranking tells you nothing about the depth at a player's position. You have to examine a team's roster. That's a big reason why there are a gazillion transfers each year - not enough players are doing their due diligence and evaluating the talent at their position. We should applaud families that do. Tyler Cook, for example, chose Iowa which graduated a starter at his position. Smart move. Most teams play 3 guard/wing players. All he has to do is crack the top 6 of those players and he gets decent minutes. He doesn't think he can do that? If he wants star minutes all he has to do is be a star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 29 minutes ago, kmbilliken said: Most teams play 3 guard/wing players. All he has to do is crack the top 6 of those players and he gets decent minutes. He doesn't think he can do that? If he wants star minutes all he has to do is be a star. Or he could just go to a top 50 program who's graduating a starter at his position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 30 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: Or he could just go to a top 50 program who's graduating a starter at his position. Do you know something regarding his preferences, or are you just stating he could get playing time elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 When recruiting a kid, there are any number of things that could matter: Playing time his freshman year Playing time all 4 years Chance to win Distance from home (close is not always better) Perception of program Exposure (TV) of program Social considerations (girlfriends, friends, etc.) Academics Facilities and campus Fit with the coaches Tenure of the coach (is he going to leave at first opportunity, is he going to get fired, etc.) How hard the coaches recruit him Any recruiter worth his salt, and Ford is definitely a good recruiter, should know which points to emphasize with prospects. I'm sure he stressed the available playing time to the transfers and 2017 recruits. He won't stress that as much with the 2018 kids, particularly the guards, but there's an enormous amount of playing time in years 2-4 for any 2018 and there's probably quite a bit in the freshman year if he's good enough. That being said, if the ONLY priority for a kid is freshman year playing time, Ford's going to have a harder time starting with the 2018 class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLURadioBoy Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 This isn't breaking, but Frank just reiterated on his radio show that Thatch could be committing to the Bills soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 hours ago, kshoe said: When recruiting a kid, there are any number of things that could matter: Playing time his freshman year Playing time all 4 years Chance to win Distance from home (close is not always better) Perception of program Exposure (TV) of program Social considerations (girlfriends, friends, etc.) Academics Facilities and campus Fit with the coaches Tenure of the coach (is he going to leave at first opportunity, is he going to get fired, etc.) How hard the coaches recruit him Any recruiter worth his salt, and Ford is definitely a good recruiter, should know which points to emphasize with prospects. I'm sure he stressed the available playing time to the transfers and 2017 recruits. He won't stress that as much with the 2018 kids, particularly the guards, but there's an enormous amount of playing time in years 2-4 for any 2018 and there's probably quite a bit in the freshman year if he's good enough. That being said, if the ONLY priority for a kid is freshman year playing time, Ford's going to have a harder time starting with the 2018 class. Great point KShoe. Two other interesting factors that play into the decision are: His High School / AAU Coaches relationship with the program The School's Jerseys / Brand (i.e. Adidas vs. Nike) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, NH said: Great point KShoe. Two other interesting factors that play into the decision are: His High School / AAU Coaches relationship with the program The School's Jerseys / Brand (i.e. Adidas vs. Nike) You are correct on these two additions. Tate is the prime example of your first point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Strong noise from the street says the Bills are carefully watching a 6'2" SG from DeSmet. Currently he is averaging 10.3 ppg but hitting 49% from the three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 10 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Strong noise from the street says the Bills are carefully watching a 6'2" SG from DeSmet. Currently he is averaging 10.3 ppg but hitting 49% from the three. Help us lazy folks out with a name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: Help us lazy folks out with a name? Ford's son is a 2018 SG on desmet. He'd be a walk-on I'd think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 32 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Strong noise from the street says the Bills are carefully watching a 6'2" SG from DeSmet. Currently he is averaging 10.3 ppg but hitting 49% from the three. Fords son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 22 minutes ago, kshoe said: Ford's son is a 2018 SG on desmet. He'd be a walk-on I'd think. I feel dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 hour ago, gobillsgo said: I feel dumb. Well, I threw out the bait to see who I could hook. Coaches sons are typically preferred walk on's. I assume relatives get a break on tuition. I'm not sure if Alford's son at UCLA is on scholarship or a walk on. Cal's son is a walk on at Kentucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, HoosierPal said: Well, I threw out the bait to see who I could hook. Coaches sons are typically preferred walk on's. I assume relatives get a break on tuition. I'm not sure ifAlford's son at UCLA is on scholarship or a walk on. Cal's son is a walk on at Kentucky. Yeah, this MBM is wondering if he'd be a walk on because he'd just be a walk on, or if it's because his father is an employee and he gets a free ride anyway. I remember Laurie's kid at Mizzou saving a scholarship due to his wealthy father just paying the tuition. (And that's not the same thing of course.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I bet Laurie (or the kid's father) was not happy at having to pay the tuition at Mizzou just because he was wealthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 27 minutes ago, White Pelican said: Yeah, this MBM is wondering if he'd be a walk on because he'd just be a walk on, or if it's because his father is an employee and he gets a free ride anyway. I remember Laurie's kid at Mizzou saving a scholarship due to his wealthy father just paying the tuition. (And that's not the same thing of course.) One has to assume that if he walks on, it is because his Father is Coach. It is always an interesting conversation when a son follows his coaching father to his school. It does put pressure on both father and son in that situation. If the son isn't really, really good, the coach is criticized for any PT he gives him. Brooks stat line is interesting. He is 26 of 53 from behind the arc (49%) but only 13 of 30 inside the arc (43%) He hasn't had many FT attempts but is only 9 of 14. My pure guess would have been 'ice' at the FT line. 8 assists and 16 TO's in 11 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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