cgeldmacher Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 How hard can this be. Let's say they've got three employees working on this. If it takes them half a day to review one of these, that means that six get reviewed in a day. This is 30 in a week. Can it really take longer than that. Just pick up the file and read it. Make a decision, have it reviewed by a supervisor, and issue a decision. willie, dlarry and gabriel like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: How hard can this be. Let's say they've got three employees working on this. If it takes them half a day to review one of these, that means that six get reviewed in a day. This is 30 in a week. Can it really take longer than that. Just pick up the file and read it. Make a decision, have it reviewed by a supervisor, and issue a decision. Half a day to review someone's mental health issues, if that is their claim? Four hours to review someone's claim of physical assault or abuse, or sexual assault, if that is their claim? This isn't getting your driver's license renewed at the DMV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 16 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Half a day to review someone's mental health issues, if that is their claim? Four hours to review someone's claim of physical assault or abuse, or sexual assault, if that is their claim? This isn't getting your driver's license renewed at the DMV. Have you been to the DNV lately? They always find something is missing. I actually don't think a days review is unreasonable. Take mental health issues. The school I'm sure has submitted medical documantation for their claim. It's either creditable or not. The NCAA is not going to send Columbo to check it out. At most they may ask the medical expert for clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Here is an article which shows the "caring and compassion" of the NCAA.... "you can always count on them to do the right thing" The NCAA is under heavy pressure right now...WV governor complaining and Ohio Atty Gen threatening anti trust suit plus many others from many different schools...In the article above it says 2nd transfer waiver changes may come next year....they may cave earlier than that if the legal system puts the squeeze on them. https://www.si.com/college/2023/10/27/jaylon-tysons-texas-tech-case-ncaa-crackdown-on-second-time-transfers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, HoosierPal said: Half a day to review someone's mental health issues, if that is their claim? Four hours to review someone's claim of physical assault or abuse, or sexual assault, if that is their claim? This isn't getting your driver's license renewed at the DMV. You're right. It is much less serious than getting your license renewed. This isn't an investigation and the NCAA isn't a criminal investigator nor are they medical doctors. It is a simple waiver. Yes or no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I certainly have no knowledge of the review process, but the bottom line would seem to be that it is a failure to not have these initial rulings made prior to the start of the seasons these kids are competing in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenHudDude Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said: I certainly have no knowledge of the review process, but the bottom line would seem to be that it is a failure to not have these initial rulings made prior to the start of the seasons these kids are competing in. As long as their schools have submitted the waiver requests in a timely fashion of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 The NCAA Council voted to limit eligibility for two-time transfers to cut back on portal entrants. But that isn't what happened. Kids who wanted to transfer transferred anyway, and the NCAA has been forced to review a ton of waiver requests. Frankly, I think they are understaffed to handle this additional workload. HoosierPal likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, willie said: Have you been to the DNV lately? They always find something is missing. I actually don't think a days review is unreasonable. Take mental health issues. The school I'm sure has submitted medical documantation for their claim. It's either creditable or not. The NCAA is not going to send Columbo to check it out. At most they may ask the medical expert for clarification. This is kind of funny. Yes, the DMV always finds something missing.....you need seven proofs of ID. And this is funny, "The school I'm sure has submitted....." Based on what? And who are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I think what happened was a lot of schools thought the no 2 time transfer policy was a great way to keep their own players from leaving at the time it was implemented. Now, when it didn’t work and there were players they wanted, they hate it. I’m sure most of the big schools would like the NCAA to let them forbid their own players from leaving, but any players they may want would be immediately eligible to transfer in even if it was the 3rd time a player transferred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: The NCAA Council voted to limit eligibility for two-time transfers to cut back on portal entrants. But that isn't what happened. Kids who wanted to transfer transferred anyway, and the NCAA has been forced to review a ton of waiver requests. Frankly, I think they are understaffed to handle this additional workload. The NCAA reminds me a lot of the state agencies I work with to process tax credit transfers. Not a lot of motivation to pick that file up in a timely manner and if you tick them off your file magically moves to the bottom of the pile. Also understaffed (usually intentionally though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, HoosierPal said: This is kind of funny. Yes, the DMV always finds something missing.....you need seven proofs of ID. And this is funny, "The school I'm sure has submitted....." Based on what? And who are you talking about? I think it’s quite logical that if a school is asking for a waiver based on mental health that there us some documentation to that effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 And finally an article from 6 months ago which not only explains how this works but predicted the mess we are in now and why it will be difficult to fix. https://theathletic.com/4450771/2023/04/26/college-basketball-transfers-ncaa-waiver/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 hours ago, willie said: I think it’s quite logical that if a school is asking for a waiver based on mental health that there us some documentation to that effect. 100% there is documentation required. The list on the NCAA guidance details what they want. The NCAA document is 23 pages. But apparently UNC didn’t supply all of it initially. Is that the case you are referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 hours ago, CenHudDude said: As long as their schools have submitted the waiver requests in a timely fashion of course. Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, HoosierPal said: 100% there is documentation required. The list on the NCAA guidance details what they want. The NCAA document is 23 pages. But apparently UNC didn’t supply all of it initially. Is that the case you are referring to? No. Just hypothetical. My point is I agree with the statement that the process should not take that long. Look at the application,yes or no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Compton Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 59 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: From the post: "LSU has submitted additional information to the NCAA for reconsideration of the decision." Hadn't even considered how long it will take schools to hear back on an appeal of a decision when the initial reviews are already so backlogged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 30 minutes ago, Compton said: From the post: "LSU has submitted additional information to the NCAA for reconsideration of the decision." Hadn't even considered how long it will take schools to hear back on an appeal of a decision when the initial reviews are already so backlogged. For sure. With the loophole for these two-time transfers being mental health related, I am not sure how you even set a standard for what will be accepted vs. denied. I don't pretend to know anything about Ezewiro's situation, but it seems pretty clear most of these are being denied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBilliken Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 57 minutes ago, Compton said: From the post: "LSU has submitted additional information to the NCAA for reconsideration of the decision." Hadn't even considered how long it will take schools to hear back on an appeal of a decision when the initial reviews are already so backlogged. Bummer. This guy made his transfer announcement to LSU 5 weeks before Bradley Ezewiro announced for SLU. Looks like it could be awhile until we hear anything on Bradley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, WVBilliken said: Bummer. This guy made his transfer announcement to LSU 5 weeks before Bradley Ezewiro announced for SLU. Looks like it could be awhile until we hear anything on Bradley. I fear you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 From the Field of 68 Daily Pending initial waiver decisions There still are some players simply waiting for an call from the NCAA. Among the bigger conferences are Ole Miss (Brandon Murray and Moussa Cisse), Florida State (Primo Spears), Arizona State (Adam Miller), Wichita State (Bijan Cortes and Ronnie DeGray), NC State (Kam Woods) and Saint Louis (Bradley Ezewiro). (NOTE: Haynes at George Mason and Green at Rhode Island are also still waiting 2x waivers. There appears to be a good number of players still waiting word on transfer waivers.) All of those players are either projected starters or essential pieces. Waivers being denied are going to set those teams back, especially Ole Miss. International eligibility decisions Seemingly every season a few foreign players join teams, but looming eligiblity questions. This time around it’s affecting two schools who could really use their big men. Kentucky has been holding out 7-2 center Zionimir Ivisic throughout the preseason, while the Bruins have two key players they’ve been waiting on forward Burke Buyuktuncel and Aday Mara, a 7-3 NBA Draft prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Here is a strange one, eligible in Dec? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 51 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Here is a strange one, eligible in Dec? Maybe he will graduate in December and then becomes no different than a grad transfer who would be immediately eligible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 28 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Here is a strange one, eligible in Dec? I know nothing about the kid, but it appears that he played the 2018-19 season at Memphis (originally signed with Texas A&M before getting a release and committing to Memphis), transferred to Creighton and redshirted the 2109-20 season, played at Creighton during the 2020-21 season, and then transferred to Louisiana playing immediately in the 2021-22 season, but only in 8 games during non-conference play. Not finding what he has been doing the past 1.5 seasons (check that, looks like he got to UCF in January), but I assume this is an odd one for many reasons as the kid is a 2018 prospect (same class as Carte'are Gordon) with multiple stops and not a grad transfer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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