JohnnyJumpUp Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Old guy said: This is a chicken and an egg problem. If attendance is low and continues low the concessions have to raise prices or close. There is demand for getting a concession inside an arena when the attendance is high, not when it is low. Once attendance is high there can be more variety and better prices. As long as the attendance stays low, you are going to be offered high prices and little variety. Concessions do not stay open unless they make money. Is the egg the concessions or attendance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 6 hours ago, wgstl said: Even the Yankees series. I mean, ya it was packed. But no, it was not more packed than the dozens of playoff games Ive been too, nor the All star game. Wasn't even that close. So it has to be tickets purchased. they saiid Saturday was biggest crowd history of Busch 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 38 minutes ago, almaman said: they saiid Saturday was biggest crowd history of Busch 3 I was there Friday, it was as packed as any game I was ever at, including playoffs and the 2013 World Series. Heck, more packed than some early playoff games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 8 hours ago, dennis_w said: i would add that every game is televised, i live a good distance away and a weekday game gets me home in the wee hours, so i watch the tv and dont attend no matter how attractive the opponent Not to mention you can stream it on an app. Something that didn’t exist in 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, JohnnyJumpUp said: Is the egg the concessions or attendance? Which one comes first is the eternal question that no one has answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 28 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said: I was there Friday, it was as packed as any game I was ever at, including playoffs and the 2013 World Series. Heck, more packed than some early playoff games The camera showed section(s) that were maybe 60% full. While I was not there, the amount of empty seats visible at all times didn’t go well with what they were talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 51 minutes ago, almaman said: they saiid Saturday was biggest crowd history of Busch 3 Likely paid tickets, Not people there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, Old guy said: Which one comes first is the eternal question that no one has answered. I have answered that question numerous times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Please kindly provide the answer then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuiltFordBills Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, JohnnyJumpUp said: I have answered that question numerous times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, BuiltFordBills said: But is he using the chicken or the egg as the bait? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuiltFordBills Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, brianstl said: But is he using the chicken or the egg as the bait? It doesn't really matter since they still took it haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 8 hours ago, wgstl said: The camera showed section(s) that were maybe 60% full. While I was not there, the amount of empty seats visible at all times didn’t go well with what they were talking about What tv didn’t show was all the standing room only crowd back in shaded areas, and all people milling around inside the stadium getting concessions (incidentally, more internet bandwidth connected to the Point of Sale machines at Busch is needed, maybe something for Chaifetz to look at if everything is going no paper money). While some people maybe didn’t show after buying tickets, the place was packed. cheeseman and wgstl like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 15 hours ago, SLUMS81 said: Not a pleasant observation, but I know several people who no longer attend sporting events of any kind downtown because of fear of street crime in our fair city. Some of these are SLU alums. They will watch a SLU game on TV, depending on the opponent. I wonder what attendance would be if the SLU campus were in St Louis county? Well, they can become Lindenwood fans then. SLU originated in the city and belongs there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 SLU should institute a policy where seat location is based on loudness and the amount of SLU chauchkie you are wearing. It would be a game changer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Do the “fans” in the lower level still tell others to sit down at any crucial point in a game? That also doesn’t help matters. You don’t want to get involved ? Then go to Buffalo Wild Wings, Piccadilly’s, or wherever and watch it on TV( I would also say they can watch it on their phones, but let’s be real here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, AnkielBreakers said: SLU should institute a policy where seat location is based on loudness and the amount of SLU chauchkie you are wearing. It would be a game changer. Tongue in cheek I know. But I love the outside the box thinking. People would start competing to sit in better seats, could be wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 31 minutes ago, Brighton said: Do the “fans” in the lower level still tell others to sit down at any crucial point in a game? That also doesn’t help matters. You don’t want to get involved ? Then go to Buffalo Wild Wings, Piccadilly’s, or wherever and watch it on TV( I would also say they can watch it on their phones, but let’s be real here). First of all, piccadillys sounds amazing right now. and last I’ve never heard been told to sit down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Lord Elrond said: What tv didn’t show was all the standing room only crowd back in shaded areas, and all people milling around inside the stadium getting concessions (incidentally, more internet bandwidth connected to the Point of Sale machines at Busch is needed, maybe something for Chaifetz to look at if everything is going no paper money). While some people maybe didn’t show after buying tickets, the place was packed. Didn't DeWitt take out a pretty huge chunk of right field upper deck seats a few years back, replace it with a large, open party area complete with bars, etc. with the plan to just sell a s-ton more SRO tickets? Probably wrong (usually am) but I think the number of actual seats decreased after that conversion but number of total tickets may have increased due to more SRO. That's the only explanation I can think of for last week's crowd supposedly being the largest in Busch III history given the amount of important games the Cardinals have played there since 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Slu let the dogs out? said: Didn't DeWitt take out a pretty huge chunk of right field upper deck seats a few years back, replace it with a large, open party area complete with bars, etc. with the plan to just sell a s-ton more SRO tickets? Probably wrong (usually am) but I think the number of actual seats decreased after that conversion but number of total tickets may have increased due to more SRO. That's the only explanation I can think of for last week's crowd supposedly being the largest in Busch III history given the amount of important games the Cardinals have played there since 2006. I believe the outdoor seating area at Ballpark Village are included in the attendance figures. Many of the big games the Cards have played at Busch III predated the construction of BPV, so that could be a factor. Slu let the dogs out? likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, Box and Won said: I believe the outdoor seating area at Ballpark Village are included in the attendance figures. Many of the big games the Cards have played at Busch III predated the construction of BPV, so that could be a factor. Good call. That makes sense. Wow, Phase I didn't open until 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I agree with a lot of what has been said. There is a general decline across college basketball. No one is excited about any A10 opponent besides maybe Dayton. Concessions prices have jumped the shark. It is amazing what attendance does when schools have done "dollar hot dog night" or "free beer thursday" type promotions. Like others have said, SLU contracting with someone to run concessions doesn't allow for a lot of flexibility with that. If announced attendance is 5500, that means asses in the seats is probably 4000 or less. That is...not good. brianstl likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 43 minutes ago, Slu let the dogs out? said: Good call. That makes sense. Wow, Phase I didn't open until 2014. Never forget Lake Dewitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Slu let the dogs out? said: Didn't DeWitt take out a pretty huge chunk of right field upper deck seats a few years back, replace it with a large, open party area complete with bars, etc. with the plan to just sell a s-ton more SRO tickets? Probably wrong (usually am) but I think the number of actual seats decreased after that conversion but number of total tickets may have increased due to more SRO. That's the only explanation I can think of for last week's crowd supposedly being the largest in Busch III history given the amount of important games the Cardinals have played there since 2006. Yeah, that’s now a bar type area, some tables and standing room places. They did it on the cheap, and if the sun is shining you are in it and staring into it at the start of a game. You seldom see anyone in there. It is on the right field side of the stadium, near the top. Had to be the least desirable seats in Busch III by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 31 minutes ago, JMM28 said: No one is excited about any A10 opponent besides maybe Dayton. again, i blame Brenda for not fighting to overcome this. weak schedules, allowing weak programs in the conference establishing some minimums for the conference athletic department for all to meet or exceed or kindly leave the conference. what about working on a better conference TV package? when the big east came about i am not sure the schools in it were much better then then what the A10 is now. but you didnt see Dave Gavitt accepting that. granted they had the benefit of partnering with ESPN in their relative infancy as well and that helped a lot, but the "woe is me we cant improve" is b.s. i like the make up of the conference and the geography considering the hodgepodge geography the big boys are becoming. i like the areas that the schools represent for the most part. there is no reason the A10 has to languish as a middling barely top 10 conference. And if Brenda doesnt have the guts to be bold and improve what we are, we really should replace her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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