Cowboy Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, cheeseman said: The announcers last night said if the Bills win out then one has to ask if going to the conf tourney has any advantage. They had a point. Why risk being exposed for no real reason. We would be in the tourney without the conf. tourney. Where you are seeded has some advantages but honestly in this season it may not be that critical - just get in and then win -if the A10 hasn't they should announce if you want the money from any NCAA Tourney games you will play in the A10 Tourney -I guess there is one out there but I am not seeing the argument I could get on board with for a team like ours not playing in the conf tourney Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deutschkind Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 I thought I read that the A10 was setting up an agreement with all the schools that anyone that's likely to go to the tournament (aka SLU), must participate in the A10 tournament Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fraz Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 LSU up to 26 NET with Auburn, Georgia, Arkansas, and Vandy left. There’s a really good chance they finish 2nd in the SEC.. cgeldmacher 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BillsBeliever!!! Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Teams skipping out on the conference tournaments is so incredibly dumb. Saw that Gonzaga and BYU might skip out on the WCC tourney. If they do that they should not be allowed in the NCAAT. Some random third team with a NET near 100 would end up winning the WCC tourney and bump out a bubble team that deserved it much more. If that happens in multiple conferences it completely ruins the NCAAT field Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RUBillsFan Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 12 hours ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: Teams skipping out on the conference tournaments is so incredibly dumb. Saw that Gonzaga and BYU might skip out on the WCC tourney. If they do that they should not be allowed in the NCAAT. Some random third team with a NET near 100 would end up winning the WCC tourney and bump out a bubble team that deserved it much more. If that happens in multiple conferences it completely ruins the NCAAT field As you've alluded to it opens a giant can of worms if you allow teams to skip their conference tournaments with no repercussions in terms of losing NCAA tournament at-large bids and still give the auto-bid to the tournament winner. You'd actually incentivize all teams that already have at-large bids locked up to skip & give their conferences a better chance at getting more NCAA bids. Gonzaga & BYU skip so that an underserving 3rd WCC team makes it, Houston skips so a potentially undeserving AAC team makes it, Loyola skips so a potentially underserving MVC team makes it, all top teams in Power conferences skip so to ensure one of their conference's bubble teams make it, etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JettFlight5 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 20 hours ago, Deutschkind said: I thought I read that the A10 was setting up an agreement with all the schools that anyone that's likely to go to the tournament (aka SLU), must participate in the A10 tournament Rothstein said on Twitter that failing to play in the conference tourney is a "major violation of membership". What that means, I have no idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cgeldmacher Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 NCAA needs to make a rule that if a conference's top seeded team skips the tournament, then that conference doesn't get an automatic bid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deutschkind Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 hours ago, JettFlight5 said: Rothstein said on Twitter that failing to play in the conference tourney is a "major violation of membership". What that means, I have no idea. And what, if any, penalties are there if someone makes that "violation" Could get messy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JettFlight5 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Just now, Deutschkind said: And what, if any, penalties are there if someone makes that "violation" Could get messy That's what I'm not sure of...TV Money, Expulsion...who knows? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Billiken Rich Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Decimation, in the classical, literal sense........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wgstl Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 48 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: NCAA needs to make a rule that if a conference's top seeded team skips the tournament, then that conference doesn't get an automatic bid. I think the team should get a knock with seeding more than the conference getting penalized. The conference would want that top team in for revenue, not exactly their fault. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cgeldmacher Posted Thursday at 11:16 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:16 PM 3 hours ago, wgstl said: I think the team should get a knock with seeding more than the conference getting penalized. The conference would want that top team in for revenue, not exactly their fault. But it would cause conferences to pressure those teams to play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fraz Posted Monday at 04:36 PM Share Posted Monday at 04:36 PM Bills down 16 spots to 48. VCU down only 4 spots to 35 after a home loss to GMU. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. I suppose because we weren’t competitive? Glass half full - our win could be more impressive since VCU hasn’t slipped in the rankings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BilliesBy40 Posted Monday at 04:57 PM Share Posted Monday at 04:57 PM 1 hour ago, Fraz said: Bills down 16 spots to 48. VCU down only 4 spots to 35 after a home loss to GMU. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. I suppose because we weren’t competitive? Glass half full - our win could be more impressive since VCU hasn’t slipped in the rankings NM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrjoelabs Posted Monday at 05:17 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:17 PM That game absolutely killed us. Lunardi of course has us about 100 spots out of the tourney. Palm has us in the PIG games. Last 4 in. I am shocked we got that much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Littlebill Posted Monday at 05:33 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:33 PM 35 minutes ago, BilliesBy40 said: That’s right. Scoring margin is important in the NET calculation. OT games are capped at a -/+ 1 scoring margin. Regulation games can have a -/+ of up to 10 points (anything beyond that is irrelevant). I think they got rid of the scoring margin element to NET prior to this season - https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2020-05-12/net-explained-ncaa-adopts-new-college-basketball-ranking-replace-rpi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NH Posted Monday at 05:37 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:37 PM 3 minutes ago, Littlebill said: I think they got rid of the scoring margin element to NET prior to this season - https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2020-05-12/net-explained-ncaa-adopts-new-college-basketball-ranking-replace-rpi Scoring margin is effectively captured in the efficiency component of the NET tool. Littlebill 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Littlebill Posted Monday at 05:39 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:39 PM 2 minutes ago, NH said: Scoring margin is effectively captured in the efficiency component of the NET tool. True - which I assume is why its no longer part of the equation. It was double counting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BilliesBy40 Posted Monday at 05:46 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:46 PM 13 minutes ago, Littlebill said: I think they got rid of the scoring margin element to NET prior to this season - https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2020-05-12/net-explained-ncaa-adopts-new-college-basketball-ranking-replace-rpi Thanks. I’ll edit my initial post to avoid further misunderstanding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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