Glorydays2013 Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 Isabell is our best player and this board is trying to bench him. Get real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 20 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: Isabell is our best scorer Fify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Nobody wants to bench him. We want him to play defense. Can't play 4 on 5 on one end of the floor. And if he isn't carrying his weight and fighting with the coach you will also end up with team chemistry issues. I agree he is the best OFFENSIVE player. Problem is right now he is the worst defensive player. Btw glory, defense and rebounding are mostly about effort. The fact Isabell has shown so well offensively we know he is athletic enough to be a good defender. That means the only reason he doesn't succeed defensively is effort. I don't care how great he is offensively if he doesn't want to play hard he can't play. rgbilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: Nobody wants to bench him. We want him to play defense. Can't play 4 on 5 on one end of the floor. And if he isn't carrying his weight and fighting with the coach you will also end up with team chemistry issues. I agree he is the best OFFENSIVE player. Problem is right now he is the worst defensive player. Btw glory, defense and rebounding are mostly about effort. The fact Isabell has shown so well offensively we know he is athletic enough to be a good defender. That means the only reason he doesn't succeed defensively is effort. I don't care how great he is offensively if he doesn't want to play hard he can't play. Further to your point, he averaged 7.5 boards last year so he *can* provide the effort needed. As @dlarry said, the issue is about effort and not necessarily whether Isabell is a good defender. If he just gives the requisite effort then I think we’ll be fine on D with Isabell on the court. If he doesn’t give the necessary effort, then he’ll see the bench. rgbilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 I believe if there is an issue come regular season w/Isabell's effort it will get fixed by Goodwin and Bess. Especially if they're seeing it's costing us Ws. They, and Ford, realize we need his buckets, but if he's dogging it on D, they'll get in his grill. moytoy12 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 55 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: Isabell is our best player and this board is trying to bench him. Get real Do you want a guy on the court who scores 20 but gives up 25 or the guy who scores 15 but only gives up 10? ill take the guy who is +5 over the guy who is -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, dlarry said: Do you want a guy on the court who scores 20 but gives up 25 or the guy who scores 15 but only gives up 10? ill take the guy who is +5 over the guy who is -5 I want the guy who scores 20 and only gives up 10. billikenfan05, SLU_Lax, dlarry and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Water Boy Posted November 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2018 I should introduce myself. I am a Drexel fan who is here just lurking around to see how Tramaine does. I think a lot of the observations on him in these first two exhibitions is in line with what he showed at Drexel. He certainly has his moments of defensive lapses. There was one game last year where he got benched for probably the last quarter of the game after he kept getting beat on back door cuts (after they had spent the day before in practice stressing that exact thing). That being said, the numbers show that Drexel opponents scored at a lower rate when he was in the game versus not. It could have something to do with him pushing the rate of play; I don't know how it would come out on a possession basis. The +/- was better when he was in the game as well. Take that with a grain of salt though as Drexel was overall a bad defensive team. As someone mentioned above, he can do well when he puts in the effort as he rebounding numbers would suggest. Isabell was often the off-guard last year, but if he got a defensive rebound, he had the green light to push the ball up the floor; I think that was part of what motivated him to rebound. DirtyRican, slufan13, HoosierPal and 10 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Water Boy said: I should introduce myself. I am a Drexel fan... God bless you for that. Got to love the CAA - and not just because some of the A10's best teams are alums. Good, thoughtful analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Gets the defensive rebound and pushes the ball up the court. Hmm, where have we seen that before? That's great if he can close the deal, but it sounds a little like our old friend Malik. Anyone who's seen him in the exhibitions seen a similarity to Malik? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusam Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, slu72 said: Gets the defensive rebound and pushes the ball up the court. Hmm, where have we seen that before? That's great if he can close the deal, but it sounds a little like our old friend Malik. Anyone who's seen him in the exhibitions seen a similarity to Malik? He plays nothing like Milik (proper spelling) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Good to hear. 2 minutes ago, slusam said: He plays nothing like Milik (proper spelling) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, slusam said: He plays nothing like Milik (proper spelling) An absolute shocking comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zink Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Old guy said: Isabell's issues are not limited to his poor defense effort, in the last exhibition game he was credited with 7 or 8 (cannot remember exactly) TOs out of a total of 18, too many by anyone's count. On the good side he is a good scorer, will be defended heavily opening up other players, and makes a lot of assists. Ford will have to deal with him in a way that he maximizes the good and minimizes the bad he brings into our game. Neither of these stats are accurate. Our team had 24 turnovers and Isabell had 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Water Boy said: I should introduce myself. I am a Drexel fan who is here just lurking around to see how Tramaine does. I think a lot of the observations on him in these first two exhibitions is in line with what he showed at Drexel. He certainly has his moments of defensive lapses. There was one game last year where he got benched for probably the last quarter of the game after he kept getting beat on back door cuts (after they had spent the day before in practice stressing that exact thing). That being said, the numbers show that Drexel opponents scored at a lower rate when he was in the game versus not. It could have something to do with him pushing the rate of play; I don't know how it would come out on a possession basis. The +/- was better when he was in the game as well. Take that with a grain of salt though as Drexel was overall a bad defensive team. As someone mentioned above, he can do well when he puts in the effort as he rebounding numbers would suggest. Isabell was often the off-guard last year, but if he got a defensive rebound, he had the green light to push the ball up the floor; I think that was part of what motivated him to rebound. Thank you. Some posters are just looking for someone to beat down on for no reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: Thank you. Some posters are just looking for someone to beat down on for no reason He literally validated our views that isabell can be lackadaisical on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: He literally validated our views that isabell can be lackadaisical on defense. He said the team was more efficient when he was on vs off and teams scored less when he was on the court. Re read it. That to me says he is a force multiplier and not a guy who puts up 25 and the team loses 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 No one is looking to beat down anyone. I don’t know why we ban politics as this board can sometimes be exactly the same extreme right or extreme left. If someone says he needs to work harder on d, someone else will read he’s the worst defender in D1 over the last 79 years. If you say he’s got a nice outside stroke, someone will read his shot is so f..king good Steph Curry goes to him for shooting tips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 My bad, I took the stats out of a Stu twitter post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusam Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Old guy said: My bad, I took the stats out of a Stu twitter post He had 7 turnovers total for both games. Not sure where you got the 18 total for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 2 hours ago, slu72 said: Gets the defensive rebound and pushes the ball up the court. Hmm, where have we seen that before? That's great if he can close the deal, but it sounds a little like our old friend Malik. Anyone who's seen him in the exhibitions seen a similarity to Malik? I only saw all but 5 minutes of first game and thought he is just what we ordered. His 3 was great, good passer and a couple of dazzling layups. I saw no drive in to 3 guys tendencies whatsoever. I also wasn't picking up on how bad his D was s who knows + it was QU. If he doesn't cut it we have 3 freshman itching for action plus Wiley. This is light years ahead of last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 1 hour ago, billikenfan05 said: He literally validated our views that isabell can be lackadaisical on defense. There u go beating down again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brianstl Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 7 hours ago, slusam said: He plays nothing like Milik (proper spelling) Why is anyone worried about spelling that name correctly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 We are sticking to the one GDT starting post per moron this season mods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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