bauman Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Reggie had huge foul issues today. 4 fouls in those 8 minutes. He can't help us if he can't stay on the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 He can't help us if he can't stay on the floor. He may have just been aggravated by having to wear the face mask today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Blame it on the mask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I can only hope..... Like I've already said, next season will be when Crews should truly be judged. But this year obviously not. But a big factor in that team four years ago was that they were having Kwamain coming back from the suspension. We don't really have that this year.... Why should we wait to judge him? People didn't want to wait to judge him when we gave him the job. He has had the keys to the program for a while now. I can except a rebuilding year, but this is shaping up to be a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Disaster? We beat three of four MVC teams,...the losses to Mississippi State and Wichita while lopsided were pretty predictable... We stand a chance at a decent showing in our conference...considering the "elite" VCU got blown out today, too, only at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 We lost to a&m cc and barely beat nc a&t. Sorry if I am not to excited over our record against Valley teams. If Beane stays out of foul trouble we lose the SIU game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenboy Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Is it me or did the refs dictate the whole game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARon Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Is it me or did the refs dictate the whole game? It is you. WSU being a top 10 team playing an inexperienced squad with little chemistry dictated the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 All this is almost ridiculous. We lost all 5 starters. The 2 jrs were players that barely contributed and a soph that was little more than a streak scorer off the bench.You can say we should have played the frosh more last year, but would we have gotten the same tourney seed and had the same success? Imo he should have rode the Sr's and he did So we have 6 frosh and 3 sophs. We have Ash who hasn't played in a year and only 12 mpg before that plus McBroom who can score when he's hot, but he's really streaky. Imo he's best off the bench for an offensive spark 20 mpg. GG our best rebounder hasn't played and JM has really been a disappointment. This year is a result of a Sr class that played what 150 out of 200 mpg and took us to levels we hadn't been in a half century. Relax and give the team a chance. It didn't happen overnight for the last big class and it won't for this one either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 The 10-11 team had one advantage todays Billi-kids don't have: Rick Majerus. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Or a much improved Conklin and Cody. A much improved Reggie and Ash would be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Again, measurements of the "success" of this season would include using instruments not seen for the past few years or so. I thought the Wiz' point spread was a little low to begin with. Going forward, I would say we have three supposed "cupcakes" now at home in a row. Cupcakes in previous seasons, this year, not so much. But cupcakes nonetheless. So I'd look for wins and individual improvement for those three until we see Vandy (our next "real" team) on New Year's Eve. That's the next in-season test: how do we do there? Because then its the conference season and we open with a team many see ahead of us in Rhode Island. Baby steps. Eight games in and most of the trending suggest bad answers right now to AY, JM, AM and the whole sophomore class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I never expected them to beat WSU - much like you really couldn't have expected Missouri to beat AL. I figured we would lose to MS St. I also would not have been surprised if we lost to IN St at their place. TAMU/CC lose was maddening. Being 5-3 now does not surprise me but what is surprising is the lack of quality play by the sophomores and the senior - GG is off the hook for now. TL played enough last year to at least get on the floor this year but he is just such a non factor - he is playing not to make a mistake so he does nothing - whose fault is that - coaching? player? MC - sorry I was always suspect of him - he has shown nothing this year to speak of. I knew this was going to be a tough year and it is living up to it. Here is the real question - some have wondered if all the freshmen will stay since they all may not get enough playing time. Well looks to me like they are getting plenty of minutes and will get more in the future so the question to me is who of the sophomores will be leaving? I could see all 3 moving on at the end of the year if this continues. If so that gives us another big recruiting numbers class next year and another development year but if Crews can recruit well then we should be good after that. Before anybody jumps on me for talking about kids leaving so early in the year let me just ask you this - Do you really want to go in to next year with these sophomores and only 2 recruits next year? I would rather be grooming players not bench warmers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Here is the real question - some have wondered if all the freshmen will stay since they all may not get enough playing time. Well looks to me like they are getting plenty of minutes and will get more in the future so the question to me is who of the sophomores will be leaving? I could see all 3 moving on at the end of the year if this continues. If so that gives us another big recruiting numbers class next year and another development year but if Crews can recruit well then we should be good after that. Before anybody jumps on me for talking about kids leaving so early in the year let me just ask you this - Do you really want to go in to next year with these sophomores and only 2 recruits next year? I would rather be grooming players not bench warmers. Good point, IF this trend continues then I would suspect we would see at least one transfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I never expected them to beat WSU - much like you really couldn't have expected Missouri to beat AL. I figured we would lose to MS St. I also would not have been surprised if we lost to IN St at their place. TAMU/CC lose was maddening. Being 5-3 now does not surprise me but what is surprising is the lack of quality play by the sophomores and the senior - GG is off the hook for now. TL played enough last year to at least get on the floor this year but he is just such a non factor - he is playing not to make a mistake so he does nothing - whose fault is that - coaching? player? MC - sorry I was always suspect of him - he has shown nothing this year to speak of. I knew this was going to be a tough year and it is living up to it. Here is the real question - some have wondered if all the freshmen will stay since they all may not get enough playing time. Well looks to me like they are getting plenty of minutes and will get more in the future so the question to me is who of the sophomores will be leaving? I could see all 3 moving on at the end of the year if this continues. If so that gives us another big recruiting numbers class next year and another development year but if Crews can recruit well then we should be good after that. Before anybody jumps on me for talking about kids leaving so early in the year let me just ask you this - Do you really want to go in to next year with these sophomores and only 2 recruits next year? I would rather be grooming players not bench warmers. Regarding the sophomores, Reggie will turnout to be a decent/good player. Crawford can shoot the ball, not sure why we don't run him off screens more often he gets in trouble when he tries to go 1 on 1. Lancona not sure what to say, doesn't play defense or rebound has some offensive skills but I feel he will never put it together. I could see 1 of the players leaving not going to speculate which one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 So...did the recruiting efforts of Majerus drop off after last years seniors (eg Glaze, Manning, Carter, McBroom) and if so has that played a part in the challenges so far this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For-DaLove Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Regarding the sophomores, Reggie will turnout to be a decent/good player. Crawford can shoot the ball, not sure why we don't run him off screens more often he gets in trouble when he tries to go 1 on 1. Lancona not sure what to say, doesn't play defense or rebound has some offensive skills but I feel he will never put it together. I could see 1 of the players leaving not going to speculate which one +1. I think the addition of Grandy will be huge for this team (never thought I'd say that). We need leadership more than anything right now, and we simply don't get that from any of the other upperclassmen. Despite Grandy's deficiencies, he works his ass off and wants to win more than anybody. He's a true Billiken. Our Freshmen are very talented. Bartley has the potential to be the most talented PG we've had in years. He has great vision and can score. When he puts on some weight he's going to be an All-A10 player. It is going to be a long year, obviously, but the good news is the A10 is down. We should still finish middle of the pack. VCU should handle us both games, but we should be able to compete with the rest of the conference. I firmly believe we'll be a much different team in March and a team no one wants to face in Brooklyn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 So...did the recruiting efforts of Majerus drop off after last years seniors (eg Glaze, Manning, Carter, McBroom) and if so has that played a part in the challenges so far this year? Yes - he was sicker than we all knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Definitely the gap in the JR and SR classes is hurting us. Not sure what RM saw in JM, but he's excess baggage as of now. GG's injury prone but still wouldn't give us much of a lift on inside scoring. AM, we all know what he is and it's not at PG. AY was a JC recruit. Benefit of the doubt is he's rusty. We shall see as the season progresses, so far he's no Reggie Bryant. The SO's are all JC's doing. One released by a BCS program, one a runner up Mr. Indiana BB but no major offers, and one a raw talent who got a phone call from Coach K. Not like that class was loaded and it's showing. But the FR appear to be a class to build upon much like last year's SR's. It is too early to speak of possible transfers, however, if the FR keep progressing and the SOPHs don't start pushing their envelopes, it wouldn't be surprising to see two of them check out. I don't think RA will be one of them, but the other two are going to be looking at the backsides of 6 SOPH's and two promising FR. That won't bode well for them re minutes. But they still have 22 + games to go, so anything could happen. Let's hope it does. As for this season, here's hoping we can mop up the dregs, hold our own w/ Vandy at home, and really show some improvement by the second half of the A10 season. Everyone is saying the A10's down, and it is, but just remember we had some of our closest calls last year against the dregs of the A10 plus a couple of losses that were unimaginable, ie DU and St.B's, so that league is never as easy as it looks come conference time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 All this is almost ridiculous. We lost all 5 starters. The 2 jrs were players that barely contributed and a soph that was little more than a streak scorer off the bench.You can say we should have played the frosh more last year, but would we have gotten the same tourney seed and had the same success? Imo he should have rode the Sr's and he did So we have 6 frosh and 3 sophs. We have Ash who hasn't played in a year and only 12 mpg before that plus McBroom who can score when he's hot, but he's really streaky. Imo he's best off the bench for an offensive spark 20 mpg. GG our best rebounder hasn't played and JM has really been a disappointment. This year is a result of a Sr class that played what 150 out of 200 mpg and took us to levels we hadn't been in a half century. Relax and give the team a chance. It didn't happen overnight for the last big class and it won't for this one either Exactly. We had 1 returning player (McBroom) who played meaningful minutes last season. Essentially we have 9 'green' players (Freshmen + Sophs) plus inexperienced upperclassmen. It takes TIME for all the new pieces to gel, especially with an extended rotation. We honestly could start 1-7 in the A-10. I would be disappointed, but not shocked. I will start to worry if we don't start winning on the back half of the A-10 schedule. And Vermont isn't a cupcake. They took Harvard to overtime the other day. Should give us some trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 These freshmen will get us back to the tourney, but it may not be until they are juniors. This year we are starting from scratch, just like When Majerus brought in his first big class. He said we would break out when they were juniors and we would have, if not for the incident. It won't happen next year unless we get big jumps from Agbeko and Yarborough, and unless we get a massive team push on rebounding and defense. In rebounding we need a total team approach. I don't see a rebounding big other than Agbeko. Gillmann and Yarborough look like they have potential, but Yarborough needs more desire for rebounding like Evans showed his first year. Gillmann just needs more strength. Jolly ought to get better with strength too. Those things will take time, so for right now the whole team has to concentrate on it. My biggest disappointment last night was Yacoubouh's defense. Where is the "I shut down Lebron" defense we read about? His guy went around him repeatedly. The hope for the future is the freshmen not only provided the points last night, but all the leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 A much improved Reggie and Ash would be OK. That should not have been an "or," but rather an "and." KM's return was the biggest factor, with Conklin's improvement a close second. Agreed, improvement from Ash and Reggie would be huge and probably necessary for us to make the leap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 It is not right to compare this roster to 10-11. That roster took a hit because of an unforeseen incident. This roster is as it was built. There were no surprises that impacted this roster. Jim Crews is responsible 10 of the players on scholarship. He is judged on the results it produces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Share Posted December 7, 2014 It is not right to compare this roster to 10-11. That roster took a hit because of an unforeseen incident. This roster is as it was built. There were no surprises that impacted this roster. Jim Crews is responsible 10 of the players on scholarship. He is judged on the results it produces. Thank you. And I guess I would hope Crews can coach up guys that weren't his anyway. I believe this will be a different team by February. If it's not, I think it falls on the coaches. Let the kids play. It'll help this year and in future seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Keep in mind, the current sophomores were recruited pretty late because of Crews having to take over for Majerus. He also had no idea whether or not he would be the official head coach after the 2012-2013 season was over, and so I think recruiting wasn't really a serious focus that season, it was more so about helping the juniors and seniors to have a great year. Therefore, the first "real" recruits for Crews are the current freshmen, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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