SLU will opt in for NCAA settlement, opening door for direct payment of athletes in 202

[brianstl]

51 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said:

Exactly.  Besides Ross Dellenger, Josh Pate is a great source on this stuff because his sources are SEC decision makers. Gleaning information from his "hints" I'd bet the SEC and B10 are working CBAs that are very similar that will handle revenue sharing and incentivive players staying more than 1 year.

You can’t work a CBA without employees and a recognized bargaining unit.  Neither exists right now in the college landscape.  

[Cowboy]

-from a SLU perspective, how big of a job will administering this new financial model be? how many folks necessary to do it? on the webiste there is one headcount dealing with Compliance and NIL, the guy hired last year from Mizzou, I would guess he needs help now 

-also, looking at SLUBillikens.com there is one person listed for The Billiken Club, Abby must be a world-beater to be able to handle all of that

[billikenfan05]

2 hours ago, Cowboy said:

-from a SLU perspective, how big of a job will administering this new financial model be? how many folks necessary to do it? on the webiste there is one headcount dealing with Compliance and NIL, the guy hired last year from Mizzou, I would guess he needs help now 

-also, looking at SLUBillikens.com there is one person listed for The Billiken Club, Abby must be a world-beater to be able to handle all of that

LOL 

[HoosierPal]

3 hours ago, Cowboy said:

-from a SLU perspective, how big of a job will administering this new financial model be? how many folks necessary to do it? on the webiste there is one headcount dealing with Compliance and NIL, the guy hired last year from Mizzou, I would guess he needs help now 

-also, looking at SLUBillikens.com there is one person listed for The Billiken Club, Abby must be a world-beater to be able to handle all of that

Stu On SLU this morning addressed some of this.  Schertz doesn't want a GM and wants to maintain as much control over payment and roster construction as he can.  He has given each of his staff certain areas to handle.

[HoosierPal]

Roster limits not changed from original settlement proposal in brief filed yesterday.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/44679918/roster-limit-changes-not-offered-latest-filing-ncaa-lawsuit-settlement

[HoosierPal]

As reported by Stu and all other sports media, Judge Wilkins said she will not approve the House settlement unless the roster limits are phased in so that current  walk on’s can continue on their squads until they graduate. 

The NCAA attorneys have said most of the roster resizing has already taken place.  Last week the NCAA stated that they have rewritten their rules to remove my honor of amateurism and to establish the new roster limits  

If the House settlement is not approved, the Wild Wild West will get wilder. Schertz has already stated what he plans to do with walk ons and roster slots. Kalish alluded that he may be two over the new proposed limit.
 

Judge Wilkins imposed a two week deadline to revise the roster situation. There are a lot of moving pieces in play. To be continued……

[TheA_Bomb]

How will revenue sharing affect our newest foreign recruit?  Ishan Sharma is Canadian.

Was reading up on the complications regarding foreign nationals, NIL and revenue sharing:

https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/why-direct-student-athlete-payments-create-an-immigration-crisis-for-universities/

 

[HoosierPal]

NCAA Attorney's have responded to Judge Wilken's concerns over roster limits in the NCAA v House settlement.  Judge Wilken has suggested that schools grandfather currently rostered players until they graduate, regardless of new roster limits proposed in the Settlement.  The NCAA filed a brief yesterday whereby schools will be allowed — but not required — to reinstate players who were cut from rosters during the 2024-25 academic year without those players counting against new roster limits set to be implemented July 1.  Purged players exempt from roster limits can also transfer to new schools. The key language in the brief, however, is that roster-limit exceptions are to be made at a school's discretion.  The next move is up to Judge Wilken.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2-8-billion-house-v-ncaa-settlement-hangs-in-balance-as-attorneys-file-brief-to-address-roster-limit-concern/

[courtside]

59 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

NCAA Attorney's have responded to Judge Wilken's concerns over roster limits in the NCAA v House settlement.  Judge Wilken has suggested that schools grandfather currently rostered players until the graduate, regardless of new roster limits proposed in the Settlement.  The NCAA filed a brief yesterday whereby schools will be allowed — but not required — to reinstate players who were cut from rosters during the 2024-25 academic year without those players counting against new roster limits set to be implemented July 1.  Purged players exempt from roster limits can also transfer to new schools. The key language in the brief, however, is that roster-limit exceptions are to be made at a school's discretion.  The next move is up to Judge Wilken.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2-8-billion-house-v-ncaa-settlement-hangs-in-balance-as-attorneys-file-brief-to-address-roster-limit-concern/

That’s too late for many players who already lost their spots since last year. They won’t be taken back and they won’t want to go back. And this is for a limited group of players in a limited number of years.

Roster limits at all, is the issue. P4 programs have pushed for roster limits because it gives them a competitive advantage in Olympic Sports, making it more difficult to transfer. And it also hurts non P4 programs who often have roster players receiving less money. 

[Old guy]

On 5/8/2025 at 9:13 AM, HoosierPal said:

NCAA Attorney's have responded to Judge Wilken's concerns over roster limits in the NCAA v House settlement.  Judge Wilken has suggested that schools grandfather currently rostered players until they graduate, regardless of new roster limits proposed in the Settlement.  The NCAA filed a brief yesterday whereby schools will be allowed — but not required — to reinstate players who were cut from rosters during the 2024-25 academic year without those players counting against new roster limits set to be implemented July 1.  Purged players exempt from roster limits can also transfer to new schools. The key language in the brief, however, is that roster-limit exceptions are to be made at a school's discretion.  The next move is up to Judge Wilken.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2-8-billion-house-v-ncaa-settlement-hangs-in-balance-as-attorneys-file-brief-to-address-roster-limit-concern/

There are many ways that you can look and try to explain what is going on, but one thing that should be kept in mind is that judges and lawyers have opened the door to at least some degree of control over the decisions made by schools to staff and pay NIL compensation to their players. This is not a good thing, believe me. From my point of view legal issues may provide outsiders with ways to increasingly micromanage college sports teams. Prepare for the new and wonderful era of college sports. 

[Bay Area Billiken]

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/breaking-news/article/power-conferences-working-on-contract-to-bind-schools-to-new-enforcement-rules-with-strict-punishments-005652210.html

[Lord Elrond]

FIBA is pushing for NCAA schools to be treated like professional clubs in terms of transfers from foreign programs per BasketNews.  This includes the payment of a transfer fee by the NCAA team.  While some may say it won’t hold up in US courts, I would point out that foreign courts will now have a say, and the existing international system does this all the time between clubs in different countries.  To quote from the article:

There must be clearance from the exiting club and national federation, and there needs to be some safeguards of where the player is going: what the conditions there will be, what will be the availability for the national team, and what is the recompense for the FIBA ecosystem, including our clubs, our leagues, our federations and their members that have invested for someone who started playing at the age of 9, 10, or 11 and now ends up with a 7-figure check in the hands at the age of 18."

 

[HoosierPal]

House Settlement was approved today.  The brave new world starts July 1.  No surprises.  Most schools have already set up their programs assuming approval.

Revenue sharing up to $20.5 m per year.

Roster limits instead of scholarship limits.  Schools can grandfather "designated student athletes" until they run out of eligibility, if they want to.  Men's hoops now at 15 roster spots.  SLU will carry 15 + 2 walk-on's.

Clearinghouse for all NIL deals exceeding $600.

Backpay of $2.8 billion to athletes who missed NIL opportunities.  Mid-majors will pay above what their allocation should be.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/house-v-ncaa-settlement-approved-landmark-decision-opens-door-for-revenue-sharing-in-college-athletics/

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/45467505/judge-grants-final-approval-house-v-ncaa-settlement

[Bay Area Billiken]

https://x.com/on3sports/status/1931158940970053792?s=46&t=jikm5nKg-NlIUjy2c9C9zw

 

[Taj79]

Curious:  where does SLU get a paltry $20.5 million to divvy out amongst its athletes?  Does every athlete get "X" and then the collectives go out and augment the Pay-for-Play money to make bigger deals?  If SLU already has growing financial issues, doesn't this hurt more?  

[crymdg2]

At least it somewhat puts a cap on things for the time being. All it will do will speed up the SEC and B10 to leave the NCAA sooner and do their own thing. Yes in theory this helps the non football schools, but schools like SLU and other mid majors are not making $20.5 million in revenue to share period. 

 

Schools like Gonzaga and Xavier have to be ecstatic though. 

[HoosierPal]

6 hours ago, Taj79 said:

Curious:  where does SLU get a paltry $20.5 million to divvy out amongst its athletes?  Does every athlete get "X" and then the collectives go out and augment the Pay-for-Play money to make bigger deals?  If SLU already has growing financial issues, doesn't this hurt more?  

$20.5m is predominately aimed at football schools.  VCU went public a few months ago that they plan on about $5m spending for men's and women’s basketball.  No statement on other sports.  George Mason put out $3m figure for hoops.  How much any school spends on others sports will be interesting to follow.  According to CBS Sports, both Oklahoma and Texas A&M stated they will share revenue with 6 sports.

Schertz reported a while back that all our guys have 'deals' in place.  He and AD May agreed on a budget, the returning players were paid first, the incoming freshmen (at the time 3) were next, and the left over was reserved for transfers.

 

Here is a reaction article: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-biggest-winners-and-losers-from-house-v-ncaa-settlement-amateurism-is-dead-and-the-class-divide-grows/

They are seeing the Big East as being a winner, not having to fund football athletes. They also see non-revenue sports as a loser, being an area where cost reductions can occur.

[slu72]

Added to the financial issues is the fact that the Trump admin is taking a hard look at the $$’s being doled out to Universities. Also. looking at foreign students who pay full boat in tuition. Even when I was at SLU we had a fair # of foreign students. Not sure what the foreign situation is today. A lousy situation all around. And I don’t expect the Beast to be in expanding mode unless their broadcast masters come up with increased $$’s. 

[Bay Area Billiken]

https://x.com/cbb_central/status/1931369125634318732?s=46&t=jikm5nKg-NlIUjy2c9C9zw

 

[Lord Elrond]

2 hours ago, slu72 said:

Added to the financial issues is the fact that the Trump admin is taking a hard look at the $$’s being doled out to Universities. Also. looking at foreign students who pay full boat in tuition. Even when I was at SLU we had a fair # of foreign students. Not sure what the foreign situation is today. A lousy situation all around. And I don’t expect the Beast to be in expanding mode unless their broadcast masters come up with increased $$’s. 

The foreign student situation may be grim for all universities in the fall.  Ron Desantos, as Sec of State, but a hold on all education visas a few weeks ago.  Looking at the fall enrollment numbers for foreign students in the US may be grim reading when the numbers come out for all universities. 

[HoosierPal]

1 hour ago, Bay Area Billiken said:

https://x.com/cbb_central/status/1931369125634318732?s=46&t=jikm5nKg-NlIUjy2c9C9zw

 

Another opinion from HQ Hoops.  This will be interesting to follow  

During an NIL conference at the Final Four hosted by Silver Wave Media, Blake Lawrence, the CEO of Opendorse, which is an NIL service and technology company, projected that on average, Big East schools will assign $5.7 million of revenue to men’s basketball next season. Lawrence projected smaller sums for the other power conference schools: $4.4 million for the ACC, $4.3 million for the Big 12, $3.2 million for the Big Ten and $3.1 million for the SEC. And he’s not guessing. Opendorse works directly with dozens of high-major schools, including several in the Big East, to provide them the data they need to set their budgets. “For most power conference programs outside of the Big East, their budget for men’s basketball will go down,” Lawrence said. “Football is a beast because you have nearly 100 players that will receive some level of compensation. Big East schools don’t have football money, but they don’t have the football burden. That’s where there’s opportunity.”

[Bay Area Billiken]

https://www.mercurynews.com/2025/06/07/house-vs-ncaa-settlement-gonzaga-big-east-and-billable-hours-the-biggest-winners-fans-bloat-olympic-sports-among-the-losers/

This is a good assessment from this longtime San Jose Mercury News PAC-12 scribe. 

[Lord Elrond]

So, just curious, how long until someone files a lawsuit to throw this settlement out on the grounds it’s not fair to them?  Monday? 

[Taj79]

@Bay Area Billiken: there you go Bay.  Bif money out there for lawyers with a sports affection.  Will you change your "major" and go looking for those millions the Billikens need?

[Bay Area Billiken]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-biggest-winners-and-losers-from-house-v-ncaa-settlement-amateurism-is-dead-and-the-class-divide-grows/