SLU will opt in for NCAA settlement, opening door for direct payment of athletes in 202

[Cowboy]

-https://sports.yahoo.com/college-basketball/article/could-impending-rev-share-changes-help-cinderellas-in-the-future-everybody-will-be-in-the-game-130005097.html

-it would be so great if the Bigs get hurt by the system they implement for their gain, I doubt they let it happen

 

[Bay Area Billiken]

2 hours ago, Cowboy said:

-https://sports.yahoo.com/college-basketball/article/could-impending-rev-share-changes-help-cinderellas-in-the-future-everybody-will-be-in-the-game-130005097.html

-it would be so great if the Bigs get hurt by the system they implement for their gain, I doubt they let it happen

 

This is absolutely fascinating. Under the revenue sharing plan, the Big East would have significantly more to spend on basketball players than the Football Power 4. The objections are already being raised, with talk of a return to cheating, under the table payments, "third Party" payments and continuing the collectives. 

[SLUMS81]

NIL = Now It’s Legal    

[brianstl]

2 hours ago, Cowboy said:

-https://sports.yahoo.com/college-basketball/article/could-impending-rev-share-changes-help-cinderellas-in-the-future-everybody-will-be-in-the-game-130005097.html

-it would be so great if the Bigs get hurt by the system they implement for their gain, I doubt they let it happen

 

The bigs aren't going to get hurt.  There is still going to be NIL money and collectives.  Courts have clearly and consistently ruled that college athletes have the same rights as anyone else in this country to enter into contracts for the use of their name, image and likeness.  It is settled law at this point and the House settlement won't be able to change that.

[willie]

33 minutes ago, brianstl said:

The bigs aren't going to get hurt.  There is still going to be NIL money and collectives.  Courts have clearly and consistently ruled that college athletes have the same rights as anyone else in this country to enter into contracts for the use of their name, image and likeness.  It is settled law at this point and the House settlement won't be able to change that.

You are forgetting Roe V Wade was settled law. Not trying to be political just pointing out nothing is certain 

[TheA_Bomb]

39 minutes ago, brianstl said:

The bigs aren't going to get hurt.  There is still going to be NIL money and collectives.  Courts have clearly and consistently ruled that college athletes have the same rights as anyone else in this country to enter into contracts for the use of their name, image and likeness.  It is settled law at this point and the House settlement won't be able to change that.

Exactly.  Many don't realize that the SEC and BIG10 just dared the College Football Playoff Committee to not give into them,  they were so close to breaking off and forming their own Football championship last year.   Some connected sources reported that they believed the SEC/B10 wanted to break away.  But the CFP committee acquised and the playoffs will change after next season. 

This is the same, if anyone thinks he the richest most powerful schools are going to let the BE get a competitive advantage on them they're crazy. 

Also it doesn't align with other court cases regarding NIL.

The NCAA even pushing this is just them continuing to commit slow suicide.

SLU might be more competitive doing revenue sharing because our booster base maybe more comfortable giving to the school and it being tax exempt. We'll still need an NIL, and I fear our collective might not be up to the task. 

[HoosierPal]

House v. NCAA settlement: Approval awaits in landmark case as judge digs in on roster limits

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/house-v-ncaa-settlement-approval-awaits-in-landmark-case-as-judge-digs-in-on-roster-limits/

The crux of the issue Monday hinged on new roster limits, which are expected to lead to nearly 5,000 athletes without spots on rosters across the NCAA's 43 sponsored sports. Judge Wilken suggested that current athletes should be "grandfathered in" and allowed to remain on rosters until their eligibility expires. This would enable schools to temporarily exceed new roster limits, which include unlimited scholarships. NCAA attorney Rakesh Kilaru opposed the idea, though he agreed to work with the plaintiff's attorneys on a solution.

If this resolution moves forward, it might mean our three walk-ons from last season can have game jerseys until they graduate.

[brianstl]

Like I said a long time ago I don't think the athletes and the schools have really game planned all of the unintended consequences of these court cases. Grant House's legal action has eliminated a massive of amount of scholarship opportunities for athletes in his very sport.  Of course he is unwilling to bear any of the blame.

[billikenfan05]

1 hour ago, brianstl said:

Like I said a long time ago I don't think the athletes and the schools have really game planned all of the unintended consequences of these court cases. Grant House's legal action has eliminated a massive of amount of scholarship opportunities for athletes in his very sport.  Of course he is unwilling to bear any of the blame.

Yep, the slippery slope to eliminating all opportunity for anyone who doesn't play basketball or football. 

I've been on this since jump street. 

[HoosierPal]

1 hour ago, brianstl said:

Like I said a long time ago I don't think the athletes and the schools have really game planned all of the unintended consequences of these court cases. Grant House's legal action has eliminated a massive of amount of scholarship opportunities for athletes in his very sport.  Of course he is unwilling to bear any of the blame.

Judge Wilken made an interesting comment, that with 390,000 people involved, there will be many not happy with this settlement.  How true.  I guess Grant House is one of the 390,000 now.

The many layers of this settlement are complex.  Swimming roster size for men is to increase from 9.9 (scholarships) to 30 (roster size).  The linked article says many carry more than 40.  (And conferences, such as the SEC are limiting swimming to 22.)  So many of the 40 are getting minimal to no athletic $?.  If you want to swim for State U on your own tab, I say let them swim.  

But I guess with swimming being a non-revenue sport at most schools, it is in line to take a hit in order to pay for football and basketball.

[TheA_Bomb]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/house-v-ncaa-settlement-approval-awaits-in-landmark-case-as-judge-digs-in-on-roster-limits/

Good summary of the settlement. 

Issues I foresee:

Why is there a one size fits all limit on revenue sharing? There are widely varying revenues amongst programs. Why not allow the school to set the limit? I don't think that could withstand a challenge. 

Roster limits won't withstand a challenge. 

Clearing house for NIL won't withstand a challenge.  It is such a subjective thing to measure. Just leave it alone. 

This doesn't fix any issues. It doesn't incentify players to stay at a school. 

It doesn't stop transfer portal taking place at times that undermine sport (during the tournament, after spring practice).

I advocate for less is more from the NCAA. Fix the times of the transfer portal. Schools set their own revenue share amounts and use that to incentify players staying ie freshman make X sophomores make y etc. Leave NIL alone they'll never be able to control it. Conferences or individual schools make their own collective bargaining agreements. 

[Old guy]

Interesting discussion. I would like to add my two cents worth of opinion to it. The issues involved with NILs and paying college athletes are complex and open to legal challenges. In my experience, the overabundance of lawyers in our country leads many firms to become creative in their pursuit of notoriety and income. This is understandable because without this kind of thinking generating creative legal interpretations and action, many law firms would likely go under.

The situation described above is likely to generate an unending series of active law suits both individual but preferably class action suits (provided they can get enough claimants supporting the case). All of this activity will test all kinds of aspects of the basic legal issues involved in paying college athletes. Some suits will fail, but others will succeed, making the "injured" members of the claimant class or the injured individuals and their lawyers wealthier, and whoever is charged with paying the damages found significantly poorer. 

You can see the influence money has in generating all of the law suits already filed and the probably many other suits to be filed in the future. In my opinion, this legal process will definitely change the ways college sports will be played and financed in the not distant future. 

[billiken_roy]

1 hour ago, TheA_Bomb said:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/house-v-ncaa-settlement-approval-awaits-in-landmark-case-as-judge-digs-in-on-roster-limits/

Good summary of the settlement. 

Issues I foresee:

Why is there a one size fits all limit on revenue sharing? There are widely varying revenues amongst programs. Why not allow the school to set the limit? I don't think that could withstand a challenge. 

Roster limits won't withstand a challenge. 

Clearing house for NIL won't withstand a challenge.  It is such a subjective thing to measure. Just leave it alone. 

This doesn't fix any issues. It doesn't incentify players to stay at a school. 

It doesn't stop transfer portal taking place at times that undermine sport (during the tournament, after spring practice).

I advocate for less is more from the NCAA. Fix the times of the transfer portal. Schools set their own revenue share amounts and use that to incentify players staying ie freshman make X sophomores make y etc. Leave NIL alone they'll never be able to control it. Conferences or individual schools make their own collective bargaining agreements. 

by setting a limit i would think they are trying to control the spending.   if a school does have the means, i get it.  but remember that will give them a huge advantage buying players.  by setting a limit maybe it keeps it somewhat even in that aspect of "payroll" and the ability to raise funds.   

[TheA_Bomb]

3 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

by setting a limit i would think they are trying to control the spending.   if a school does have the means, i get it.  but remember that will give them a huge advantage buying players.  by setting a limit maybe it keeps it somewhat even in that aspect of "payroll" and the ability to raise funds.   

I understand why a school or a fan of parity in the sport would want to set a spending limit. 

However, through a legal lens of commerce, I don't think it would be able to withstand a challenge. 

Now if a school or conference has a CBA that changes it, but this settlement doesn't solve that problem. 

[billiken_roy]

A-Bomb i am just saying in my opinion, we cannot survive in a no limit atmosphere.   might as well get our D3 application started for Wash U's sports conference now.  

[cheeseman]

A few questions:  1.  Why would any court be able to tell any school that they could not voluntarily limit the number of scholarships - athletic or academic?  If a school voluntarily enters into an agreement to do so why is that illegal?  How are those roster limits any different than a company deciding they only want X number of managers?  2.  Not sure how the limit on spending is any different?  3. The limit on spending doesn't in itself prevent a school from overspending on a specific player (s) - yes, I understand that the total is what is different.  If a school enters into this agreement voluntarily then how this any different then a NFL or NBA or NHL team accepting the leagues salary caps?  No one is saying you have to belong to the NCAA - you only have to belong if you want the benefits of being a member which also comes with negatives. 

[TheA_Bomb]

11 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

A-Bomb i am just saying in my opinion, we cannot survive in a no limit atmosphere.   might as well get our D3 application started for Wash U's sports conference now.  

We've already been in a no limit atmosphere.  UK already spent more money than we ever would. Before NIL, before revenue sharing.

There is no way they'll be able to put a limit or control NIL that'll survive contact with a legal challenge. 

Like I've said all along Big Schools will stay the big schools and equilibrium will be achieved. 

I'm not stating how I think college sports should be or how I prefer them to be, but what I think will solve issues within US/state laws.

The issue that's pertinent is how NCAA bids are determined. I agree the NET is mid-major bid thievery due to focus on Quad 1, 2 wins.  So those being screwed either join together to get the bid process changed or do what SBU Unfurled recommends to change scheduling to get the necessary Quad 1, 2 wins.

 

https://www.sbunfurled.com/

 

[Bay Area Billiken]

The NCAA, the Pac-12, the SEC, the Big Ten, the Big 12 and the ACC are the named Defendants in the House anti-trust class action suit.  Presumably said conference defendants have likely agreed to the settlement terms.  If not, dissenting followers of Bevo and other Football Power 4 dissenters can always have their conference's fates decided by a jury of their peers in the US District Court for the Northern District of California sitting in Oakland, California, said jury pool composed of residents of 15 Northern California counties, largely Coastal. 

 

[TheA_Bomb]

Oh I'm not worried about Texas or the SEC. They'll figure it out, Texas has the best AD and the SEC will have the best lawyers and stay competitive. 

I'm concerned about SLU and our C student, AD who is reactionary. 

Also, I'm just ready for the college sports landscape to go back to being about sports, not courts. This settlement causes more issues: roster limits, budget level, and NIL clearing house.

[Old guy]

A quick review of the fair number of posts since my post about the influence that lawyers being creative with their interpretations of the law are likely to have upon college sports makes me feel that you are all concerned about the possible incoming chaos.

In case you are not aware of this, a civil (non criminal) trial is not a place where you find the truth about anything, it is a place where competing lawyers try to convince the jury that their point of view is the correct one. A civil trial is also a place where law as we know it is constantly altered by the results of new trials. Keep that in mind, when thinking about our future (SLU's future) in college sports. I think we will do very well IF we manage to roughly maintain our current status in college sports. 

 

[Bay Area Billiken]

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/article/college-football-transfer-portal-house-settlement-and-more-with-ncaa-sports-on-brink-of-massive-change-heres-how-it-all-fits-together-125246683.html

[HoosierPal]

2 hours ago, Bay Area Billiken said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/article/college-football-transfer-portal-house-settlement-and-more-with-ncaa-sports-on-brink-of-massive-change-heres-how-it-all-fits-together-125246683.html

Interesting article.  It says the NCAA isn't backing off their roster limits.  The second football portal opens Wed.  With no settlement approved, that will be a wild ride. 

[TheA_Bomb]

I think conference CBAs are the way to go.  Conferences generally have  like schools and are smaller entities that have an organization in place to manage business. 

A10 schools could all agree to revenue sharing, then develop a means to offer player contracts. 

Questions still TBD would be are the players then an employee this gets complicated across state lines and public vs private.

Keep the NCAA out of it as much as possible. 

[billikenfan05]

15 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said:

I think conference CBAs are the way to go.  Conferences generally have  like schools and are smaller entities that have an organization in place to manage business. 

A10 schools could all agree to revenue sharing, then develop a means to offer player contracts. 

Questions still TBD would be are the players then an employee this gets complicated across state lines and public vs private.

Keep the NCAA out of it as much as possible. 

I can't wait to see how the needs of both MEAC and SEC players are met equally. 

[TheA_Bomb]

32 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said:

I can't wait to see how the needs of both MEAC and SEC players are met equally. 

Exactly.  Besides Ross Dellenger, Josh Pate is a great source on this stuff because his sources are SEC decision makers. Gleaning information from his "hints" I'd bet the SEC and B10 are working CBAs that are very similar that will handle revenue sharing and incentivive players staying more than 1 year.