ACE Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, courtside said: And Macon may be retained by the new regime, as he is a very good recruiter who did much of the heavy lifting with recruiting there. If he is not retained, I will be rooting for Forte to get an assistant job in Oklahoma or Texas and for Macon to return. stmdragons likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, brianstl said: I was using Pomeroy. With net they finished inside the top 50 only once in 2020 at 49 https://masseyratings.com/cb/arch/compare2020-19.htm They finished with a net Ranking of 52 in 2021 https://masseyratings.com/cb/arch/compare2021-17.htm. RPI currently has them at #50. https://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/rpi/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, ACE said: If he is not retained, I will be rooting for Forte to get an assistant job in Oklahoma or Texas and for Macon to return. I would very much rather Forte stay, he seems to have the closest relationship with Ford on staff and has a great relationship with the players. I would really like some change elsewhere on the staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 16 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: I would very much rather Forte stay, he seems to have the closest relationship with Ford on staff and has a great relationship with the players. I would really like some change elsewhere on the staff. That might be the problem. Also, I'm not a proponent of the recruiting forrays into Texas. slufan13 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, ACE said: That might be the problem. Also, I'm not a proponent of the recruiting forrays into Texas. Idc where they come from as long as they can play Littlebill and HoosierPal like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, wgstl said: Idc where they come from as long as they can play I agree, but IMO we are more likely to get quality players from the East Coast - we are in an East Coast league. Teams that have had success in this league going back to Xavier have made it a recruiting priority. If we can pluck a good player out of Texas on occasion fine, but it doesn't make sense to make that a prime recruiting area. Ford himself talked about the emphasis on the East Coast in interviews when he got the job - deviating from it a bit now seems to be more about Forte and his connections/career aspirations than it does sound recruiting strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, ACE said: That might be the problem. Also, I'm not a proponent of the recruiting forrays into Texas. This team misses a Stuen though, a guy who can speak freely to Travis. Full honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Shouldn't Ford legacy assistant have landed a player at any point in the past if Ford is going to keep having one on the staff? Stuen seemed liked a great guy and so does Forte, but where are the results from them on the recruiting front? ACE and billiken_roy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, brianstl said: Shouldn't Ford legacy assistant have landed a player at any point in the past if Ford is going to keep having one on the staff? Stuen seemed liked a great guy and so does Forte, but where are the results from them on the recruiting front? Who recruited the players on the roster now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmdragons Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, dennis_w said: Who recruited the players on the roster now? Given the amount of local players we have currently, Corey Tate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, dennis_w said: Who recruited the players on the roster now? 9 of the 13 scholarship players are Tate guys. If I recall correctly Jimerson was a Macon guy and Forrester had a previous connection to Bailey. I don’t know who was the guy for Cisse or Rivera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 hour ago, brianstl said: Shouldn't Ford legacy assistant have landed a player at any point in the past if Ford is going to keep having one on the staff? Stuen seemed liked a great guy and so does Forte, but where are the results from them on the recruiting front? Would the results for Forte be the current crop of three incoming recruits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schasz Posted March 11, 2023 Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 5 hours ago, cgeldmacher said: There are many, many posters on this board that are advocating for Ford to go that I would not label as a "Troll." I respect their opinions, but simply disagree. Having a different opinion than me or others does not, remotely, make a person a troll. A troll is someone who incessantly posts about a position using non stop superlative verbage and, in doing so, annoys the CR*P out of everyone on the board and makes it difficult to read. I enjoy debating with those who are here as devout Billiken fans, but have a differing opinion on a topic than I do. That's part of what makes this board interesting. I cannot stand someone who shows up out of the blue and spends their first 262 posts repeating the same garbage over and over again. We know your opinion on this. Let it go. Like your points and posts as well as Ace! Here's where I come down on Travis Ford. First of all, I didn't like the hire in the first place. Why? I thought May settled for someone who while he did get his OSU team in the Tourney he only won 1 NCAA Tourney with tons of talent. Yes, OSU is a Power 5 school so expectations should be higher. He comes to SLU and I don't recall what his initial contract was both length and $'s. The $'s are still somewhat speculation as SLU being a private school does not make public what he's paid...speculation is in the $2.4M a year level...making Ford the highest paid HC in the A-10. IMHIO someone making that kind of salary should have made more than 1 NCAA Tourney. Let's not forget that team had to win 4 games in a row to get there. Then they were summarily beaten by Va Tech in the first round. Covid years were a big 0 for all NCAA teams. So let's get to the 2022-23 year and SLU was picked by Many pre-season predictors to be Top 25 and certain NCAA team. Now some of those same prediction folks have Ford on the hot seat because SLU is no where near where they thought SLU should be with a veteran team. Sure as an Alum and someone when we liver in St. Louis spent many years as a season ticket holder I would love to see SLU win the A-10 Tourney and get into the NCAA Tourney. With Ford's track record I don't see it happening.I know some on here thank he deserves another year if he does not win and AD May has stated that publicly. That's great...he hired him so if what I think could happen...they both should be on the hot seat if SLU isn't dancing on Sunday! Chaifetz IMO is a super nice facility and if fans continue to be disappointed then there will be people who quit coming to the games. Hoops are SLU's only real revenue sport. Someone has to take responsibility!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 hour ago, brianstl said: 9 of the 13 scholarship players are Tate guys. If I recall correctly Jimerson was a Macon guy and Forrester had a previous connection to Bailey. I don’t know who was the guy for Cisse or Rivera. You act like they all work independently of each other… the nitpicking will never end… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 hours ago, billikenfan05 said: This team misses a Stuen though, a guy who can speak freely to Travis. Full honesty. Just stop, you have no idea of the conversations the coaches have among each other. You’re making a fool of yourself… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 49 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: Just stop, you have no idea of the conversations the coaches have among each other. You’re making a fool of yourself… Talk about an overreaction... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Schasz said: Like your points and posts as well as Ace! Here's where I come down on Travis Ford. First of all, I didn't like the hire in the first place. Why? I thought May settled for someone who while he did get his OSU team in the Tourney he only won 1 NCAA Tourney with tons of talent. Yes, OSU is a Power 5 school so expectations should be higher. He comes to SLU and I don't recall what his initial contract was both length and $'s. The $'s are still somewhat speculation as SLU being a private school does not make public what he's paid...speculation is in the $2.4M a year level...making Ford the highest paid HC in the A-10. IMHIO someone making that kind of salary should have made more than 1 NCAA Tourney. Let's not forget that team had to win 4 games in a row to get there. Then they were summarily beaten by Va Tech in the first round. Covid years were a big 0 for all NCAA teams. So let's get to the 2022-23 year and SLU was picked by Many pre-season predictors to be Top 25 and certain NCAA team. Now some of those same prediction folks have Ford on the hot seat because SLU is no where near where they thought SLU should be with a veteran team. Sure as an Alum and someone when we liver in St. Louis spent many years as a season ticket holder I would love to see SLU win the A-10 Tourney and get into the NCAA Tourney. With Ford's track record I don't see it happening.I know some on here thank he deserves another year if he does not win and AD May has stated that publicly. That's great...he hired him so if what I think could happen...they both should be on the hot seat if SLU isn't dancing on Sunday! Chaifetz IMO is a super nice facility and if fans continue to be disappointed then there will be people who quit coming to the games. Hoops are SLU's only real revenue sport. Someone has to take responsibility!!! Damn! Another L tonight!! 4-6 in last 10 going into the tournament. Yikes!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 hours ago, VeniceMenace said: Would the results for Forte be the current crop of three incoming recruits? Your right, I think Forte was the lead guy on Vice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 54 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: Talk about an overreaction... Hasn’t Ford say almost exactly what you said in interviews following Stuen’s passing? I guess BBF thinks Ford was making a fool of himself when Ford said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 minute ago, brianstl said: Hasn’t Ford say almost exactly what you said in interviews following Stuen’s passing? I guess BBF thinks Ford was making a fool of himself when Ford said it. Kind of silly to argue that recruiting is not a team effort...but some people just enjoy being contrary. majerus mojo likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 12 minutes ago, HenryB said: Kind of silly to argue that recruiting is not a team effort...but some people just enjoy being contrary. Someone says something to BBF, running in comes Henry NoCoBillsFan likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 23 minutes ago, wgstl said: Someone says something to BBF, running in comes Henry I am sorry. I wasn’t aware that I was supposed to ask your permission. Guess if I were an ass I would just say someone says something to Brian and in runs wgstl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 You can make logical arguments to keep or fire Ford and you would be justified in your argument. He's staying at least one more year though. And he has the team playing good basketball right now. I'm a Ford doubter but we are really playing well right now and thats credit to him and the entire staff dlarry and slufanskip like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 9 hours ago, wgstl said: Someone says something to BBF, running in comes Henry You sound like a whiny 12 year old girl…. HenryB likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 10 hours ago, brianstl said: Hasn’t Ford say almost exactly what you said in interviews following Stuen’s passing? I guess BBF thinks Ford was making a fool of himself when Ford said it. Brian, the point was to imply that Stuen was the only one Ford could have a completely open and free conversation about the team, is ridiculous and to be honest, insulting to the current coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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