Brighton Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 SLUMedBilliken15 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Good tweet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechee89 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 I could get on board with this. Wish they would have gone 10-0-1 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted June 4, 2022 Author Share Posted June 4, 2022 Should do the same for the 1948 basketball team too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliesBy40 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 I support this idea but beating lowly Kansas by only 32 points makes me question the squad’s strength Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUMedBilliken15 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Found this from 1904: Even though I don't care about football, this is pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted June 4, 2022 Author Share Posted June 4, 2022 5 hours ago, BilliesBy40 said: I support this idea but beating lowly Kansas by only 32 points makes me question the squad’s strength Underrated post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 The NIT championship team has a much better case than the football team. Outside of winning the most games there isn't much of a case. Football was east coast ivy league based and they had by far the best teams. SLU's team was top 25 at best, maybe not even the best team in the midwest, Wisconsin was probably better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, thetorch said: The NIT championship team has a much better case than the football team. Outside of winning the most games there isn't much of a case. Football was east coast ivy league based and they had by far the best teams. SLU's team was top 25 at best, maybe not even the best team in the midwest, Wisconsin was probably better. Wasn’t this the SLU football team that had the best players from Wisconsin’s team the year before? SLU and Wisconsin shared two opponents that season and SLU margin of victory against each was larger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 4 hours ago, brianstl said: Wasn’t this the SLU football team that had the best players from Wisconsin’s team the year before? SLU and Wisconsin shared two opponents that season and SLU margin of victory against each was larger. The coach at SLU was the best player at Wisconsin several years before. The Halfback who threw the passes for SLU had played for Wisconsin 3 years before. To the best of my knowledge there was not an en masse transfer to SLU from Wisconsin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 19 hours ago, Brighton said: Should do the same for the 1948 basketball team too. If somebody wants to correct me on this then do so. The 1948 team won the NIT but the NCAA started their national championship tournament so while we and perhaps some other teams choose to play in the more then prestigious NIT the NCAA did crown their winner the national champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 3 hours ago, thetorch said: The coach at SLU was the best player at Wisconsin several years before. The Halfback who threw the passes for SLU had played for Wisconsin 3 years before. To the best of my knowledge there was not an en masse transfer to SLU from Wisconsin. I believe that a large number of starters were former Wisconsin players. The Coach Eddie Cochems became sort of notorious for stealing players from other programs and supposedly using professional players. It lead to him leaving SLU after three season and pretty much getting blackballed out of college football as other programs started to refuse to play Blue and White as they were known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, brianstl said: I believe that a large number of starters were former Wisconsin players. The Coach Eddie Cochems became sort of notorious for stealing players from other programs and supposedly using professional players. It lead to him leaving SLU after three season and pretty much getting blackballed out of college football as other programs started to refuse to play Blue and White as they were known. So Eddie Cochems was 115 years ahead of his time. Today, he could just get the money funneled through NIL deals, just like every SEC football program… brianstl and AGB91 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cgeldmacher Posted June 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2022 On 6/4/2022 at 5:27 PM, cheeseman said: If somebody wants to correct me on this then do so. The 1948 team won the NIT but the NCAA started their national championship tournament so while we and perhaps some other teams choose to play in the more then prestigious NIT the NCAA did crown their winner the national champion. That is correct. The NCAA had started its own championship several years earlier. In the early years of the NCAA championship, the good teams all still went to the NIT, because it was the known commodity and it was a big deal to go to NYC at the end of the season for the NIT tournament. By 1948, things were in sort of a gray area. Within a year or two after 1948, the NCAA tournament was clearly exhibiting the best competition. In 1948, SLU won the NIT and Kentucky won the NCAA tournament. Teams in the 8 team NCAA tournament were Kentucky, Columbia, Holy Cross, Michigan, Kansas State, Wyoming, Baylor, and Washington. Teams in the 8 team NIT tournament were SLU, NC State, DePaul, Texas, NYU, Bowling Green, LaSalle and Western Kentucky State. The best argument we have regarding why SLU won the national championship in 1948 has to do with how the teams were ranked the following season. I realize that teams the following year were different, but looking at the rankings shows the strength of the fields the two teams played. Also, I should note that the AP NCAA basketball poll taken at the beginning of the 48-49 season was the first ever AP ranking. In that first ever AP basketball ranking, SLU was #1 and Kentucky was #2. That is interesting in and of itself, but looking further down the list provides more. Western Kentucky State (48 NIT team) was #3. Holy Cross (48 NCAA team) was #14. Bowling Green (48 NIT team) was #15, and NYU (48 NIT team) was #20. There were only 20 spots in that first poll. So, of the 20 teams ranked in the 1st ever AP poll, four had gone to the NIT the year before and two had competed in the NCAA tournament. One final note, that I think seals the argument. By the end of the 1948-49 season, Kentucky was ranked #1 in the AP. SLU was ranked #3. Guess where Kentucky went that year? After finishing #1 in the AP poll, Kentucky participated in both the NCAA and NIT tournaments. They won the NCAA tournament and, still to this day, claim that they had back to back national championships. However, they lost in their first game in the NIT that year to Loyola Chicago. I think its crazy to claim you won the national championship in a year where you lost in the 1st round of the NIT. I know why they claim it as a championship. I just don't think it is legitimate. I think it also helps prove which tournament was stronger at the time. Moral of the story: SLU was the national champion in 1948. crymdg2, stmdragons, dlarry and 10 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 8 hours ago, cgeldmacher said: Moral of the story: SLU was the national champion in 1948. -and the banner in the arena should proclaim such brianstl, BrettJollyComedyHour and RUBillsFan like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettJollyComedyHour Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Cowboy II said: -and the banner in the arena should proclaim such Yee haw, Cowboy, I agree we need to pay more attention to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Cowboy II said: -and the banner in the arena should proclaim such They need to put up a banner for the NCAA Elite 8 appearance, too. Bay Area Billiken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 COY banner should be flying somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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