Sweet Lou Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 20 minutes ago, slu72 fan said: Our only hope for D-1 survival is Coach Ford staying. Then, maybe Bess and Foreman don't transfer, and the 3 recruits stay commmited. He's a great recruiter, and proven he's a solid game coach Those of us who bleed Billikens Blue, can't jump ship, no matter how much we detest Pestello. COACH PLEASE DON'T LEAVE!! YOU ARE ONLY HOPE. The way SLU has handled this. Wouldn’t be surprised if they were the ones to “ask” Ford to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSide_Billiken Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, aj_arete said: but it is a religious institution. SLU is only a religious institution when it is convenient for them. When it is advantageous, they fervently argue that they are not a religious institution. http://www.urbanreviewstl.com/2007/02/st-louis-university-is-a-secular-institution-not-a-catholic-or-jesuit-university/ So to recap, they can pick and choose when to act as a religious institution. SLU's administration makes me sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremio14 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, billikens747 said: Makes absolutely no sense why he got the longest suspension then. I look forward to reviewing the rationale behind the different terms of suspension as well as the rationale behind the expulsion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, BillIkenFan_Dan said: We have to do something at next home game I'm sure you and the other 200 people there will think of something clever. Only one problem: this school doesn't care about athletics, particularly men's basketball. I won't step foot inside Chaifetz any longer unless it's for a concert (super pumped for Sam Smith this summer you guyyyssss!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, BACKHANDtheRICAN said: Filling out a check to SLU for $0 as we speak. This is actually a great idea. Send it straight to Pestello office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The appeals panel has an easy cop out: "This appeal does not allow us to adjudicate the punishment, but rather judge the process. From our vantage point, the university followed its guidelines and adhered to its obligations under the same. For these reasons, the appeal is denied." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Nick Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Okay so they brought in someone from Philadelphia to railroad the players. Was this already known? Was it that same one person deciding this punishment? Maybe the appeals board will realize that this punishment is ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 He was supposed to announce tonight. This makes me think SLU was one of the top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, SouthSide_Billiken said: SLU is only a religious institution when it is convenient for them. When it is advantageous, they fervently argue that they are not a religious institution. http://www.urbanreviewstl.com/2007/02/st-louis-university-is-a-secular-institution-not-a-catholic-or-jesuit-university/ So to recap, they can pick and choose when to act as a religious institution. SLU's administration makes me sick. Great point. Forgot about this! I remember arguing about this in my admin law class at SLU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbofive Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Box and Won said: Check out the SLU Cheer Instagram account... just caught up on all this. had no idea it could be so bad. removing that old ish. SLU is finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnnyJumpUp said: He was supposed to announce tonight. This makes me think SLU was one of the top 2. 100% Only took 2 hours for today's decision to impact recruiting. SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, aj_arete said: This is very disappointing, but I think we're all ignoring the environment that we're living in today. Just because these four may not be charged with a crime, that doesn't mean they didn't violate the moral code of a private university. I'm unaware of what the student code is at SLU, but it is a religious institution. Their standard might be higher than a public institution and the players should have known what that standard was before signing up. What I'm surprised about is how very few are blaming the players for their irresponsible and reckless actions. Yes, I know that there are plenty students and student-athletes across the country that might have committed similar acts which went unpunished, but that doesn't excuse their behavior. Moral code????? Are you telling me the girls were paragons of virtue? Last time I checked the actions of the girls violated the 10 commandments as well. Where is the outrage against their violation of morality? The players knew what they were doing and so did the girls. I want to vomit listening to this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJHawk Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 At this point the big money donor's need to step in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamarete Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Plus, as I said earlier, gordon could be reconsidering his choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, TJHawk said: At this point the big money donor's need to step in. Seriously, where is Dr Chaifetz in all this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, teamarete said: Plus, as I said earlier, gordon could be reconsidering his choice. He signed a LOI. Unless Ford goes, he won’t be released. Now if I was Ford, I’d be taking literally any other job I could get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, gobillsgo said: Seriously, where is Dr Chaifetz in all this? Wondering why he ever took an interest in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, gobillsgo said: Seriously, where is Dr Chaifetz in all this? What do you want Dr. C to do? Pay off the Title IX office? Look, this is horrible and i'm effectively done with SLU (i'll cheer for the guys on the court) but I don't think asking donors to pay off the university is the direction 99% of us want this to go either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, gobillsgo said: He signed a LOI. Unless Ford goes, he won’t be released. Now if I was Ford, I’d be taking literally any other job I could get. He'll be released. Ford has future recruiting at other schools to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGSLU Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Long time reader limited but haven't posted in so long I forgot my login and had to re-register. Anyway, I would question at this point whether there isn't a challenge to the decision (or appeal opportunity) based on discrimination in such a way that either Title IX or its application in this case violates the players' rights (civil rights, equal protection, etc.). Aside from whoever videotaped and posted the video online, all other participants in this act should face the same penalties-- assuming they were all otherwise consenting to their acts. If the evidence shows consensual activity by the participants, then again, I would think the guilty party is the recorder/poster and all of the other participants are basically on equal footing. The disparate treatment raises the question as to why there is disparate treatment-- is it because the players are men (sexual discrimination) or because the players are African American and the girls white- (racial discrimination). Unless the players colluded to secretly videotape the acts and also colluded to post the video, application of the rule here appears ripe for challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, moytoy12 said: What do you want Dr. C to do? Pay off the Title IX office? Look, this is horrible and i'm effectively done with SLU (i'll cheer for the guys on the court) but I don't think asking donors to pay off the university is the direction 99% of us want this to go either. Who said anything about paying anyone off? He could’ve been putting pressure on Pestoolo to enforce reasonable deadlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Lax Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: He signed a LOI. Unless Ford goes, he won’t be released. Now if I was Ford, I’d be taking literally any other job I could get. It would be another garbage move by SLU not to release him if he requests it. This is NOT what he signed up for. The only bigger garbage move was waiting until the first week of the new semester to railroad the S2 kids to ensure the incurred maximum damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, gobillsgo said: Who said anything about paying anyone off? He could’ve been putting pressure on Pestoolo to enforce reasonable deadlines. Effectively, the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: He signed a LOI. Unless Ford goes, he won’t be released. Now if I was Ford, I’d be taking literally any other job I could get. fords stuck. he wont make the kind of money he is getting paid anywhere else considering he really hasnt accomplish anything yet. his plan for success was basically just blown up and you dont get paid for a plan. sure if a good offer came, i wouldnt hesitate to jump, but ford is likely not getting such an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Lax Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, moytoy12 said: He'll be released. Ford has future recruiting at other schools to think about. This is more appropriately put. It would put a stain on Ford that would stay with him if he did not ensure Gordon was released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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