Cowboy Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jose-de-jesus-ortiz/ortiz-slu-s-goodwin-focused-on-the-finish/article_c6fb641e-e86a-5258-b201-2551bbb8aa02.html -link to article in today's Post -Jordan, Thank You For Being A Billiken, have a great experience at the U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 We should make sure all local kid's parents see this article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Ortiz is scum. He could write an article affirming Travis Ford is the second coming and I still wouldn't read it. see this https://deadspin.com/former-bbwaa-president-writes-eulogy-for-cardinal-who-c-1821476511 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, thetorch said: Ortiz is scum. He could write an article affirming Travis Ford is the second coming and I still wouldn't read it. see this https://deadspin.com/former-bbwaa-president-writes-eulogy-for-cardinal-who-c-1821476511 One of the strongest comment sections I’ve seen in awhile, some real gems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
615Billiken Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 7 hours ago, thetorch said: Ortiz is scum. He could write an article affirming Travis Ford is the second coming and I still wouldn't read it. see this https://deadspin.com/former-bbwaa-president-writes-eulogy-for-cardinal-who-c-1821476511 Not a good look for Ortiz. To be fair, the Catholic Church as an institution has totally failed in how they have handled Law after the scandals. My understanding is that he was in a relatively cushy place in the Vatican and that there were plans to celebrate his death. So to criticize a Catholic (and I am making an assumption here that Ortiz is Catholic) for this eulogy, without recognizing that the Catholic Church itself has given implicit permission for this would be a bit unfair to do in a vacuum. That being said, why the hell would anyone write a public eulogy for Law? How can one not know what the reactions will be. What even is the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 39 minutes ago, 615Billiken said: Not a good look for Ortiz. To be fair, the Catholic Church as an institution has totally failed in how they have handled Law after the scandals. My understanding is that he was in a relatively cushy place in the Vatican and that there were plans to celebrate his death. So to criticize a Catholic (and I am making an assumption here that Ortiz is Catholic) for this eulogy, without recognizing that the Catholic Church itself has given implicit permission for this would be a bit unfair to do in a vacuum. That being said, why the hell would anyone write a public eulogy for Law? How can one not know what the reactions will be. What even is the point? 615 - i like your posts but this is confusing. It’s not unfair to criticize to Ortiz whether in a vacuum or otherwise. The man wrote an apolgetic eulogy for a guy who covered up child rape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 14 hours ago, Cowboy said: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jose-de-jesus-ortiz/ortiz-slu-s-goodwin-focused-on-the-finish/article_c6fb641e-e86a-5258-b201-2551bbb8aa02.html -link to article in today's Post -Jordan, Thank You For Being A Billiken, have a great experience at the U Nice article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Great article on Goodwin. Not being immersed in STL anymore and its daily sports landscape, I didn't know much about Ortiz. No matter what Cardinal Law did for him and his family - and it wasn't much, honestly - there is absolutely no reason to defend that guy. Wasn't Ortiz also the one who criticized SLU and the three players in early October? He's going to call out this situation and then turn around and write a positive obit for a guy who oversaw systemic child rape for decades? Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Pistol said: Great article on Goodwin. Not being immersed in STL anymore and its daily sports landscape, I didn't know much about Ortiz. No matter what Cardinal Law did for him and his family - and it wasn't much, honestly - there is absolutely no reason to defend that guy. Wasn't Ortiz also the one who criticized SLU and the three players in early October? He's going to call out this situation and then turn around and write a positive obit for a guy who oversaw systemic child rape for decades? Man. He likes the attention. DirtyRican likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Box and Won said: He likes the attention. Your right. Taking lessons from SLHI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 His twitter feed is nuts and crazy self-righteous. He likes to talk about how often he goes to church and where he sits. He even passive-aggressively seeks acknowledgment and credit for how and when he prays. It is just bizarre. He was an outspoken critic of the local MLS financing "on principle" without any attempt at understanding the source and structure of it. I think there may be a reason he went from a massive market like Houston to a mid-market like St. Louis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Ortiz is a wannabe Skip Bayless. He doesn’t know squat about sports and covers it up by making large hot take proclamations about who should be fired or traded. He’s an absolutely trash writer and I’m pretty dissapointed the baseball writers association had him as their president. Between Hochmann and Ortiz, the PD has to have the worst sports columnists of any major newspaper in the past 30+ years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, NH said: Ortiz is a wannabe Skip Bayless. He doesn’t know squat about sports and covers it up by making large hot take proclamations about who should be fired or traded. He’s an absolutely trash writer and I’m pretty dissapointed the baseball writers association had him as their president. Between Hochmann and Ortiz, the PD has to have the worst sports columnists of any major newspaper in the past 30+ years. His baseball hall of fame article made me want to vomit. He went on and on about how character matters. He spent almost the entire column writing about how he would never vote Chipper Jones into the hall saying he is a terrible person. (Basically because he disagrees with him politically.) And he was going to stop voting for Bonds. (because of steriods) Then he goes on to say he was voting Roger Clemons in. Roger Clemons is a steroid user and a scum bag but that doesn't matter because he once gave Ortiz an interview. Not only does Ortiz suck at his job he's a hypocrite too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, dlarry said: Not only does Ortiz suck at his job he's a hypocrite too. I think that's what makes it so easy to hate this guy. "Character matters" and also "Cardinal Law was a good guy, as far as I'm concerned". That's another subject, but baseball writers keeping out the steroid era guys are all hypocrites. A lot of them made their careers in that era, building up those players' legends, and then as soon as it collapses, they're right there to publicly shame them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 22 minutes ago, NH said: Ortiz is a wannabe Skip Bayless. He doesn’t know squat about sports and covers it up by making large hot take proclamations about who should be fired or traded. He’s an absolutely trash writer and I’m pretty dissapointed the baseball writers association had him as their president. Between Hochmann and Ortiz, the PD has to have the worst sports columnists of any major newspaper in the past 30+ years. Agree wholeheartedly. I do have to give Hochmann credit though, the article yesterday about the RB from Burroughs was really good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 21 minutes ago, NH said: Between Hochmann and Ortiz, the PD has to have the worst sports columnists of any major newspaper in the past 30+ years. I like Hochman. Ortiz is awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just now, Box and Won said: I like Hochman. Ortiz is awful. Overall I like Hochman. His obsessive use of 90's pop culture references can drive me nuts but for the most part I like his content. I'm probably in the minority here but I like Fredrickson. I think he is the best of the bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, dlarry said: Overall I like Hochman. His obsessive use of 90's pop culture references can drive me nuts but for the most part I like his content. I'm probably in the minority here but I like Fredrickson. I think he is the best of the bunch. Frederickson is by far the most talented of the writers brought in to replace Strauss, Burwell, and Bernie. I think he is pretty good right now and expect him to get better. His writing is already more mature than that of his two more veteran colleagues. Hochman needs to realize he isn't a 20 something anymore. Plus, he needs realize that even Bill Simmons figures out years ago that you can't keep going to the 90's pop culture well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Hochmann is fine I guess but also only writes fluff pieces. A middle of the pack Miklasz column provided more sports analysis and insight than all of Ortiz/Hochmann’s articles combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, NH said: Hochmann is fine I guess but also only writes fluff pieces. A middle of the pack Miklasz column provided more sports analysis and insight than all of Ortiz/Hochmann’s articles combined. His piece in the JB kid was good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_06 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 47 minutes ago, dlarry said: Overall I like Hochman. His obsessive use of 90's pop culture references can drive me nuts but for the most part I like his content. I'm probably in the minority here but I like Fredrickson. I think he is the best of the bunch. I agree that BenFred is the best of the bunch. Hochman for me is too pro Mizzou. He can't write a SLU article without a Mizzou reference. Some of his articles don't really have a point too so can be hit or miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, RiseAndGrind said: His piece in the JB kid was good I agree, really enjoyed it. Those are really the type of stories he should be doing. Personality features. You don’t need to be a sportswriter to do that though. Would like my sportswriters to do that but then also be able to do a column outlining what the Cardinals should be able to do this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I am not sure who Doug Moore is and he isn't a sportswriter, but he wrote the best thing I have read from the Post in a very long time. http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/he-went-to-notre-dame-high-school-for-a-holiday/article_f19d3ea6-b7bf-5241-a7a8-95c1ee012891.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyRican Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 3 hours ago, davidnark said: His twitter feed is nuts and crazy self-righteous. He likes to talk about how often he goes to church and where he sits. He even passive-aggressively seeks acknowledgment and credit for how and when he prays. It is just bizarre. He was an outspoken critic of the local MLS financing "on principle" without any attempt at understanding the source and structure of it. I think there may be a reason he went from a massive market like Houston to a mid-market like St. Louis. I think he belongs to my parish, or at least I have seen him at mass on a few occasions. I had to stop following him on Twitter, he really is the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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