slufan13 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I agree that you can always use shooters. I'm just saying that a stud 3 point shooter wouldn't be my priority unless that guy is either a lockdown defender or a point guard as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 We have 3 guys shooting over 41% from 3. I'm not even sure 3 point shooting is what we need right now. Your're kidding, right? Percentages on a small sampling of shot attempts mean nothing. We need a guy who can penetrate, break defenses down and create assists by making those around him better (see KM), we need a guy who can flat out shoot the ball and who wants to shoot the ball when the shot clock is going down or when the game is on the line (see Kevin Lisch) and we need a big (at this point I will take an undersized guy like DE or Jeff Harris) who wants to play inside. Soft bigs who want to be the next RL only works if someone else is willing/able to go inside and take care of business (see BC, DE and sometimes CE). What good does it do if AG and TL play on the perimeter if we have no one being a real threat on the block? In that case, I'd argue we might be better playing 5 guards and making them have defensive problems. Having too many bigs isn't the problem. Its having too many stiffs which most of ours are. So just keep stockpiling more bigs until we find one? At this rate, we will soon have 9 bigs!! Shouldn't we let a few bigs (stiffs) go before we add more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 If we could get a Kwamain Mitchell or Kevin Lisch, then yeah. But if not, I see a 3 point shooter as 4th or 5th priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 And like it or not, Yarbrough is probably going to have to play the 4 for the foreseeable future. I don't see the mythical impact juco big parachuting in here any time soon. This is one of my questions going forward when it comes to identifying needs and how different guys fit. What position do the coaches envision Milik playing going forward? Whether he is more of a perimeter player or a low post scorer (like Dwayne) is a big factor as far as roster makeup in my opinion (maybe I wrong). If he is the 4, we have a lot of guys fighting for a limited number of minutes in the post (Agbeko, Lancona, Gillmann, Jolly, Welmer, and Neufeld). If he is the small forward, I am not sure in the group above if we have two guys who could really play together and be productive on offense and defense. I think that is why you are correct in saying that Milik is likely playing the 4 for the foreseeable future. We seem to have a group of combo guards and a group of thin big men with some perimeter ability offensively, but not many guys between that (definitely lacking a true point and a true post presence). I think that is why some posters correctly targeted Milik as the most likely impact freshman. So assuming Milik plays more of the 4 next year, I think the hole remains finding a post presense defensively (it either has to be one of those 6 or some of those guys needs to go) and a true point guard. I think the young guards are all capable of playing off the ball (none have really shown the ability to be the guy at the point) and Roby and Ash have the size and strength to guard most 3s. I also think with our lack of scoring and looking at the roster, a true scoring guard is also a need. Like you said, guard is a need regardless with Roby, Bartley, and Reynolds the only guards who will be around beyond next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 We need someone to run the offense, someone that can consistently hit the 10-15 foot shot to help with spacing, and a low post presence on both ends of the court. 3 point shooting is way down the list. Based on who is already signed in the 2015 class and who the the staff is trying to sign, I believe the staff agrees with you. Unless someone besides TL is transferring, there won't be another pg until 2016.The staff will have to do their best to develop the two that they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Based on who is already signed in the 2015 class and who the the staff is trying to sign, I believe the staff agrees with you. Unless someone besides TL is transferring, there won't be another pg until 2016.The staff will have to do their best to develop the two that they have. Why can't a PG come in this year even if only one guy transfers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Cause if we get a commitment from Christian Williams first then we're out of scholarships for 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Cause if we get a commitment from Christian Williams first then we're out of scholarships for 2015. My understanding is that we shouldn't be considered the favorite. He's supposedly visiting this weekend though so we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Is it common to have an on-campus visit during the season when all available scholarships are already spoken for? Seems like that could be kind of an awkward situation, since there won't be a spot for him until one of the guys who'll be playing in Sunday's game announces he's transferring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 What is common is for somebody or bodies already on the team to have an idea that maybe they should not expect to be back. Given how this season has gone - unless you are a freshmen or junior next year is not a given that you get your schollie back - as for as I am concerned the whole group of current sophomores should be on the block. If JC keeps the current sophomores he will surely be on the block himself if next year does not show significant improvement. I told what the president send to my son - he understands that this year was a rebuilding year but not every year can be considered a rebuilding year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 What is common is for somebody or bodies already on the team to have an idea that maybe they should not expect to be back. I remember a lot of angst over the few times that's happened here in recent memory (especially Jared Drew but also Christian Salecich and Ruben Cotto). Did Crews and Majerus have on-campus visits to fill those guys' spots while they were still playing for the team? That's what I'm curious about. I know it's fairly common to have guys not invited back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I remember a lot of angst over the few times that's happened here in recent memory (especially Jared Drew but also Christian Salecich and Ruben Cotto). Did Crews and Majerus have on-campus visits to fill those guys' spots while they were still playing for the team? That is an interesting question as with the current team it is clearly not due to players going pro, but a kid deciding to transfer/being run off. Tanner, do you mind hosting a recruit this weekend and then on Monday turn in all of your gear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I know Cotto left early in the year, so I assume there were no visits for his spot while he was still playing. But all the other local-ish guys Majerus supposedly "ran off" played that whole first season. I wonder if he was putting out campus invites to the guys who ended up filling their spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Here's your list of transfers currenlty available. Plenty of 2 star PG's to pick from. http://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I know Cotto left early in the year, so I assume there were no visits for his spot while he was still playing. But all the other local-ish guys Majerus supposedly "ran off" played that whole first season. I wonder if he was putting out campus invites to the guys who ended up filling their spots. I know in college football a lot of the big time programs oversign and proceed to run kids off, push kids to grayshirt or to JUCO, or inform a verbal commit that they no longer have an offer (this happened to a kid a few days before signing day this year). With football though there are so many more players that it wouldn't be as obvious and some recruits may not qualify, but with only 13 scholarships in basketball it is pretty clear when your scholarships are full. I do think with the increasing number of transfers that coaches should never stop recruiting. It just becomes kind of a strange when you have a full roster lined up and you continue to extend offers and host recruits on visits when they are being recruited for next season unless a current player has essentially made his intentions to transfer known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastBilliken Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 unless a current player has essentially made his intentions to transfer known. I have a feeling that the staff already knows that they will have transfers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Why would they still be giving minutes during a lost season to guys they know will be leaving next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Because Gillmann isn't strong enough to be anything more than a spot player this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Good point. I guess if Manning is getting minutes, why not a lameduck future transfer on top of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Your're kidding, right? Percentages on a small sampling of shot attempts mean nothing. We need a guy who can penetrate, break defenses down and create assists by making those around him better (see KM), we need a guy who can flat out shoot the ball and who wants to shoot the ball when the shot clock is going down or when the game is on the line (see Kevin Lisch) and we need a big (at this point I will take an undersized guy like DE or Jeff Harris) who wants to play inside. Soft bigs who want to be the next RL only works if someone else is willing/able to go inside and take care of business (see BC, DE and sometimes CE). What good does it do if AG and TL play on the perimeter if we have no one being a real threat on the block? In that case, I'd argue we might be better playing 5 guards and making them have defensive problems. So just keep stockpiling more bigs until we find one? At this rate, we will soon have 9 bigs!! Shouldn't we let a few bigs (stiffs) go before we add more? No. That's part of the problem. We have too many big stiffs that can't help us win. We can't devote too many of our roster spots to big stiffs. If Nuefeld and Welmer are a couple of stiffs we're sunk. You can have plenty of bigs like Wisconsin because they can all play. If we have 5 slow, poor rebounding, poor defending, mediocre at best offensively bigs next year .500 is out of the question. We've got a better chance at bringing in some good guards that can star than big guys. If Nuefeld and Welmer are like Jolly and Gillmann we are in for another long season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 No. That's part of the problem. We have too many big stiffs that can't help us win. We can't devote too many of our roster spots to big stiffs. If Nuefeld and Welmer are a couple of stiffs we're sunk. You can have plenty of bigs like Wisconsin because they can all play. If we have 5 slow, poor rebounding, poor defending, mediocre at best offensively bigs next year .500 is out of the question. We've got a better chance at bringing in some good guards that can star than big guys. If Nuefeld and Welmer are like Jolly and Gillmann we are in for another long season.Some of the crappiest schools have decent bigs superior to ours. They are out there, why aren't we looking or finding them? Is it a problem with recruiting or more so with the development? What came first, the chicken or the egg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 The last decent Air Craft Carrier we had here was maybe Reed, if you call him an Aircraft Carrier, and then Vouyoukas. Loe wasn't what I call an Aircraft Carrier. He wasn't a banger. Conklin was a banger, but not big enough to be an Aircraft Carrier. I'm talking about a protypical 5 in the center hole, not a misplaced power forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doowop Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Some of the crappiest schools have decent bigs superior to ours. They are out there, why aren't we looking or finding them? Is it a problem with recruiting or more so with the development? What came first, the chicken or the egg?I've noticed this also. Crappy teams with strong rebounders who are threats to score inside. I don't understand why we have so much trouble finding decent big men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BACKHANDtheRICAN Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I've noticed this also. Crappy teams with strong rebounders who are threats to score inside. I don't understand why we have so much trouble finding decent big men. Sometimes when you suck at something you can make it a strength by simply knowing you suck at that specific thing and not do it. Crews must know that he can't spot a legitimate 5 of his life depended on it. He will find success by knowing not to trust his own judgement and pick a school that finds decent big men and just mirror any offer they give a big man. Saves on travel too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Sometimes when you suck at something you can make it a strength by simply knowing you suck at that specific thing and not do it. Crews must know that he can't spot a legitimate 5 of his life depended on it. He will find success by knowing not to trust his own judgement and pick a ###### school that finds decent big men and just mirror any offer they give a big man. Saves on travel too. Yeah. Kentucky seems to find good big men. Lets just offer whoever they offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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