Here come the Bonnies

[ACE]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10135917-nba-insider-adrian-wojnarowski-retires-from-espn-will-become-st-bonaventure-cbb-gm?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

 

A bold move for the Bonnies. I have advocated for SLU having a GM. I expect this to be a growing trend with portal free agency and NIL - having a GM makes a lot of sense.

[Billikenswin]

He is under contract with ESPN for 3 more years at 7 million dollars a year! He would be taking a pay cut of more than 20 million dollars. I wonder if there is more to this story!

[Lord Elrond]

1 hour ago, Billikenswin said:

He is under contract with ESPN for 3 more years at 7 million dollars a year! He would be taking a pay cut of more than 20 million dollars. I wonder if there is more to this story!

ESPN has been cutting costs for years. I’m sure he saw the writing on the wall, and left in a face-saving way.  

[ARon]

9 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said:

ESPN has been cutting costs for years. I’m sure he saw the writing on the wall, and left in a face-saving way.  

He's saying he's burned out but I bet you are right that is part of it too.

[billikenfan05]

16 hours ago, ARon said:

He's saying he's burned out but I bet you are right that is part of it too.

I mean it's his alma mater, this sounds like an incredible retirement gig. I assume much less travel involved. I'm sure a lot of it had to do with ESPN being constantly in a state of cutting employees. But he would have gotten a severance and been able to find a job anywhere else. Sometimes people just decided it's time to do something else. 
 

[brianstl]

Supposedly his salary will be equal to an entry level athletic department employee at the university. 

[cheeseman]

So he is planning to move to St. Bonaventure or Olean?  Seems a bit odd to me given his professional background.

[thetorch]

How can we get John Stamos to be our GM?

[MusicCityBilliken]

14 minutes ago, thetorch said:

How can we get John Stamos to be our GM?

Right now he's touring with the Beach Boys.

[Box and Won]

17 hours ago, brianstl said:

Supposedly his salary will be equal to an entry level athletic department employee at the university. 

Working in Olean gives new meaning to the term "remote job."

[billikenfan05]

43 minutes ago, Box and Won said:

Working in Olean gives new meaning to the term "remote job."

 

[Old guy]

For those of you that do not understand these facts and get upset when people refer to the Midwest as "fly over States," Olean is a small city, not much different from places like St. Joseph, MO or Burlington VT in terms of size and availability of cultural events. It is isolated but it is still  a small city with at least one College / University providing the city with cultural and sports activities. Olean is not really as isolated as places like Presque Isle ME. Olean used to be a place housing several major industrial companies, now sadly reduced to a single company still active (CUTCO (the cutlery maker). Olean is hard to get to by plane, although it has easy access via interstate 86 highway, and its winters are cold and very snowy, which makes it hard to get to by road, but it is a real city, like Joplin and Burlington VT, each with its own life, and not a suburb of NYC, which are primarily warehouses for commuters.

Now, let's take St. Louis for comparison. At the turn of the 20th century St. Louis was the third largest city in the US. Take a drive through St. Louis and you will find many abandoned closed past industrial complexes slowly decaying. This is not a picture of prosperity anyway you want to paint it. I presume Olean, as so many other cities in the US including many decaying industrial powerhouses of a prior age, like Gary IN, and vast areas if Pittsburgh, show the same kind of image. 

Remember this, for the natives of NYC, DC, Baltimore, and the West Coast, moving to and working in St. Louis has the same kind of connotations of "remote job," and "nothing available there.", which are not reality but just ingrained prejudices. After moving to St. Louis from Boston, I met and talked during industry meetings with many old friends who expressed their views of St. Louis being the middle of nowhere, and asking how was life out there, in the middle of nowhere. This is just ingrained prejudice, a reason to say "we are better than you are," this is not reality. Go and check up places like St. Joseph MO (Pony Express), or Auburn Indiana (Auburn / Duesenberg Museum), they are small cities with a life of their own. I assume, never having been there, that Olean is no different.

[CenHudDude]

1 hour ago, Old guy said:

For those of you that do not understand these facts and get upset when people refer to the Midwest as "fly over States," Olean is a small city, not much different from places like St. Joseph, MO or Burlington VT in terms of size and availability of cultural events. It is isolated but it is still  a small city with at least one College / University providing the city with cultural and sports activities. Olean is not really as isolated as places like Presque Isle ME. Olean used to be a place housing several major industrial companies, now sadly reduced to a single company still active (CUTCO (the cutlery maker). Olean is hard to get to by plane, although it has easy access via interstate 86 highway, and its winters are cold and very snowy, which makes it hard to get to by road, but it is a real city, like Joplin and Burlington VT, each with its own life, and not a suburb of NYC, which are primarily warehouses for commuters.

Now, let's take St. Louis for comparison. At the turn of the 20th century St. Louis was the third largest city in the US. Take a drive through St. Louis and you will find many abandoned closed past industrial complexes slowly decaying. This is not a picture of prosperity anyway you want to paint it. I presume Olean, as so many other cities in the US including many decaying industrial powerhouses of a prior age, like Gary IN, and vast areas if Pittsburgh, show the same kind of image. 

Remember this, for the natives of NYC, DC, Baltimore, and the West Coast, moving to and working in St. Louis has the same kind of connotations of "remote job," and "nothing available there.", which are not reality but just ingrained prejudices. After moving to St. Louis from Boston, I met and talked during industry meetings with many old friends who expressed their views of St. Louis being the middle of nowhere, and asking how was life out there, in the middle of nowhere. This is just ingrained prejudice, a reason to say "we are better than you are," this is not reality. Go and check up places like St. Joseph MO (Pony Express), or Auburn Indiana (Auburn / Duesenberg Museum), they are small cities with a life of their own. I assume, never having been there, that Olean is no different.

Having been to both, Olean, NY is no Burlington, VT.  Also, although they both have a university, UVM’s enrollment is similar to SLU’s, while the enrollment of St. Bonaventure is just over 2000.

[MusicCityBilliken]

Also been to both, Burlington is a quaint vibrant cool town. It has Lake Champlain (summer) and nearby great ski resorts (winter). Also close drive to Montreal with its culture, great restaurants, professional sports and a decent airport. Olean, is not cool.

[Lord Elrond]

1 hour ago, Old guy said:

For those of you that do not understand these facts and get upset when people refer to the Midwest as "fly over States," Olean is a small city, not much different from places like St. Joseph, MO or Burlington VT in terms of size and availability of cultural events. It is isolated but it is still  a small city with at least one College / University providing the city with cultural and sports activities. Olean is not really as isolated as places like Presque Isle ME. Olean used to be a place housing several major industrial companies, now sadly reduced to a single company still active (CUTCO (the cutlery maker). Olean is hard to get to by plane, although it has easy access via interstate 86 highway, and its winters are cold and very snowy, which makes it hard to get to by road, but it is a real city, like Joplin and Burlington VT, each with its own life, and not a suburb of NYC, which are primarily warehouses for commuters.

Now, let's take St. Louis for comparison. At the turn of the 20th century St. Louis was the third largest city in the US. Take a drive through St. Louis and you will find many abandoned closed past industrial complexes slowly decaying. This is not a picture of prosperity anyway you want to paint it. I presume Olean, as so many other cities in the US including many decaying industrial powerhouses of a prior age, like Gary IN, and vast areas if Pittsburgh, show the same kind of image. 

Remember this, for the natives of NYC, DC, Baltimore, and the West Coast, moving to and working in St. Louis has the same kind of connotations of "remote job," and "nothing available there.", which are not reality but just ingrained prejudices. After moving to St. Louis from Boston, I met and talked during industry meetings with many old friends who expressed their views of St. Louis being the middle of nowhere, and asking how was life out there, in the middle of nowhere. This is just ingrained prejudice, a reason to say "we are better than you are," this is not reality. Go and check up places like St. Joseph MO (Pony Express), or Auburn Indiana (Auburn / Duesenberg Museum), they are small cities with a life of their own. I assume, never having been there, that Olean is no different.

The population of Olean, NY and the surrounding suburbs is around 25,000. A better comparison with a town that size that has a university located in it is Carbondale, Il, (population 21,000), also not near a major city but conveniently located near an interstate. SIUC has, of course, many more students the St Bonaventure, but it seems fair. I would have to agree that there are probably more cultural things to do in Olean than there are in Carbondale, but I base that on my opinion that any other area in the US could scarcely have fewer cultural things to do than Carbondale.

[Old guy]

1 hour ago, Lord Elrond said:

The population of Olean, NY and the surrounding suburbs is around 25,000. A better comparison with a town that size that has a university located in it is Carbondale, Il, (population 21,000), also not near a major city but conveniently located near an interstate. SIUC has, of course, many more students the St Bonaventure, but it seems fair. I would have to agree that there are probably more cultural things to do in Olean than there are in Carbondale, but I base that on my opinion that any other area in the US could scarcely have fewer cultural things to do than Carbondale.

Nope, I did a google search about  this. The population of Olean is listed at 77,000 by google. No issues about the size of St. Bona but just the presence of a college with lectures, exhibits,  and sports teams, regardless of the size of the school, makes one hell of a lot of difference to the quality of life and level of cultural events in any small city.

[CenHudDude]

1 hour ago, Old guy said:

Nope, I did a google search about  this. The population of Olean is listed at 77,000 by google. No issues about the size of St. Bona but just the presence of a college with lectures, exhibits,  and sports teams, regardless of the size of the school, makes one hell of a lot of difference to the quality of life and level of cultural events in any small city.

A quick google search shows that you are looking at the Olean Metropolitan Statistical Area, which has now declined to under 76,000.  The population of Olean itself is less than 14,000.  The population of Burlington is close to 46,000, and the Burlington Metropolitan Statistical Area is close to 222,000.  There is no comparison between Olean, NY and Burlington, VT.  The one area that Olean may be better in is college bars.

[Lord Elrond]

14 minutes ago, CenHudDude said:

A quick google search shows that you are looking at the Olean Metropolitan Statistical Area, which has now declined to under 76,000.  The population of Olean itself is less than 14,000.  The population of Burlington is close to 46,000, and the Burlington Metropolitan Statistical Area is close to 222,000.  There is no comparison between Olean, NY and Burlington, VT.  The one area that Olean may be better in is college bars.

That is entirely correct. The estimate I used was for the combined populations of the city of Olean, Bonaventure (the town St Bonaventure University is actually in), Allegheny, and Weston Mills. These 4 towns touch each other, and form one metro area of around 25,000, which forms about 1/3rd of the Olean Metropolitan Statistical area, which covers quite a lot of rural area. For Carbondale, if you look at the Carbondale-Marion IL Statistical Area, you would actually have 132,000 residents, which is quite a bit larger than the corresponding area around Olean.

I notice that no one has contradicted my statement that Olean probably has more cultural things to do than Carbondale, because nowhere in the US has less going for it culturally than Carbondale. 

[brianstl]

If it wasn’t for New York’s super restrictive fracking regulations, Olean would be a boom city right now.

[Old guy]

OK, people, so what is the population of St. Louis? Is it the population of the City of St. Louis only? Is it the population of the whole Metro area including the IL side? Is it the population of the City plus the St. Louis County and nothing else? Is no one at all interested in acknowledging that there is an IL side to our Metro Area? And why is this the case? As per Wikipedia this is the definition of a Metropolitan Statistical Area: "A Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is a geographical region with a relatively high population density at its core and close economic ties throughout the region." That means that people living within a Metro area spend most of their time within this area. This is where they live their lives.

If the Metro area of Olean is now down to 76,000, that is fine with me. The people that live in the Olean Metro Area shop and participate in activities primarily within their Metro Area, like everyone else does. Why should they drive to a different Metro Area for shopping, dining, or any other activities, when most of their lives are spent within the Olean Metro Area's boundaries?

Your thinking about Olean Metro Area is not that different from the way my old friends the from Boston Metro Area think about St. Louis. They think that St. Louis is as a fine place to fly over... Are we better than Olean, using any number of criteria? Of course we are, so why should anyone spend any amount of time trying to show we are better? They are a small city, and like many other small cities they have no pretentions to be better than anyone else. One area in which Olean Metro Area is most certainly much better than the St. Louis Metro Area is in the number of violent crimes committed per year.

Do you understand how ridiculous it is to live in a Metro Area with 2.8 Million people (2022 figures) and feel the need to have to show how superior we are to a Metro Area with 76,000 people. We have 38.24X the population size of the Olean Metro Area. Of course we  have a lot more to offer in our Metro Area than they have in Olean. Does that mean Olean is a bad place to live and raise a family?, of course not.  

 

[CenHudDude]

6 hours ago, Old guy said:

OK, people, so what is the population of St. Louis? Is it the population of the City of St. Louis only? Is it the population of the whole Metro area including the IL side? Is it the population of the City plus the St. Louis County and nothing else? Is no one at all interested in acknowledging that there is an IL side to our Metro Area? And why is this the case? As per Wikipedia this is the definition of a Metropolitan Statistical Area: "A Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is a geographical region with a relatively high population density at its core and close economic ties throughout the region." That means that people living within a Metro area spend most of their time within this area. This is where they live their lives.

If the Metro area of Olean is now down to 76,000, that is fine with me. The people that live in the Olean Metro Area shop and participate in activities primarily within their Metro Area, like everyone else does. Why should they drive to a different Metro Area for shopping, dining, or any other activities, when most of their lives are spent within the Olean Metro Area's boundaries?

Your thinking about Olean Metro Area is not that different from the way my old friends the from Boston Metro Area think about St. Louis. They think that St. Louis is as a fine place to fly over... Are we better than Olean, using any number of criteria? Of course we are, so why should anyone spend any amount of time trying to show we are better? They are a small city, and like many other small cities they have no pretentions to be better than anyone else. One area in which Olean Metro Area is most certainly much better than the St. Louis Metro Area is in the number of violent crimes committed per year.

Do you understand how ridiculous it is to live in a Metro Area with 2.8 Million people (2022 figures) and feel the need to have to show how superior we are to a Metro Area with 76,000 people. We have 38.24X the population size of the Olean Metro Area. Of course we  have a lot more to offer in our Metro Area than they have in Olean. Does that mean Olean is a bad place to live and raise a family?, of course not.  

 

This is an awful lot of words trying to defend your position, at least part of which is indefensible.  Why don’t you just admit that you made a bad comparison equating Olean, NY with Burlington, VT?  You can see that neither the size of the cities nor their metropolitan areas are equal.  As to the availability of “cultural events”, Olean is probably only equal or better than Burlington in the number of college bars per capita.

[BrettJollyComedyHour]

14 hours ago, brianstl said:

If it wasn’t for New York’s super restrictive fracking regulations, Olean would be a boom city right now.

??

I don't think people would want to live around fracking operations.

[Old guy]

4 hours ago, CenHudDude said:

This is an awful lot of words trying to defend your position, at least part of which is indefensible.  Why don’t you just admit that you made a bad comparison equating Olean, NY with Burlington, VT?  You can see that neither the size of the cities nor their metropolitan areas are equal.  As to the availability of “cultural events”, Olean is probably only equal or better than Burlington in the number of college bars per capita.

No two metropolitan areas are  equal,  they all have different plusses and minuses. You live where you live and make the best of whatever is available where you live. I was offered a position at U of Vermont in Burlington and turned it down. I was offered a top position at NYC and turned it down. I was offered at Omaha NE and also turned it down. Everybody has choices and  has to decide what to do about them. Olean is a perfectly decent place to live in. 

4 hours ago, BrettJollyComedyHour said:

??

I don't think people would want to live around fracking operations.

That takes a very large portion of the country from your consideration for a new job. Let's say you lose your current job and get an offer in Utica NY. Would you take it?

[BrettJollyComedyHour]

21 minutes ago, Old guy said:

That takes a very large portion of the country from your consideration for a new job. Let's say you lose your job and get an offer in Utica NY? Would you take it?

No because the cost of living in St. Louis is great, haha. 

[White Pelican]

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