billikenfan05 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: I'm pretty sure Sheltie was saying there should be (in fact it's the second word of his post), but we all know (based on what Ortiz has published in social media) that we won't see that. No I understand. Depends on his intended use for the word.. is he’s saying they should do it or he’s hearing that they will and it should be in tomorrow’s paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 This f'ing guy needs to go. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockL Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, brianstl said: They need to take legal action against Ortiz and the Lee Enterprises, too. It wouldn't be worth their time or money. It's extremely tough for plaintiffs to win such cases. See: http://www.aaronkellylaw.com/gossip-defamation-law/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, dlarry said: This f'ing guy needs to go. I The idiot doesn’t understand that doesn’t allow him libel a person by making false statements of fact about that person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, dlarry said: This f'ing guy needs to go. I How about a kickstarter to raise money for the PD to buy him out/severance? It would be money well spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, BrockL said: It wouldn't be worth their time or money. It's extremely tough for plaintiffs to win such cases. See: http://www.aaronkellylaw.com/gossip-defamation-law/ This isn’t Ortiz writing gossip. It is him saying a statement made available to everyone says something it clearly doesn’t say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: No I understand. Depends on his intended use for the word.. is he’s saying they should do it or he’s hearing that they will and it should be in tomorrow’s paper Yeah, I get what you're saying. I just infer "I think we better see a retraction tomorrow," not "Sources tell me we can expect to see a retraction tomorrow." I could be wrong, but the thing that makes me think it's just Sheltie opining rather than announcing is the "page 1" thing. The Post runs retractions/corrections on Pg. 2. Edited February 15, 2018 by Quality Is Job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bobby Metzinger said: How about a kickstarter to raise money for the PD to buy him out/severance? It would be money well spent. That guy doesn’t deserve to get paid. He needs to be the one paying up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BourbanStreet Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I wonder what he considers as ignorant emails? Based off his blocking habits on Twitter, it seems like anyone who simply disagrees with him is ignorant....but wait isn't that being ignorant in itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 The more I think about his column the more my blood boils. I’m sure he wrote his column smiling thinking man I’m the only one brave enough to stand up for victims when really he’s the only one dumb enough to write the column because it’s completely wrong in this case. SouthSide_Billiken and JohnnyJumpUp like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 We need as many people at SLU as possible to see this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, dlarry said: This f'ing guy needs to go. I He's never going to admit he got anything wrong, and he's setting himself up to play the victim card, himself. I'm sure he got many reasonably-worded corrections of his errors, but he'll never acknowledge them. In his mind Goodwin is rapist who is getting away with it because he's a local star. That's the narrative he's convinced himself of, and no evidence will change his mind. I guess he was marching arm-in-arm with Katherine Weathers during the last march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: He's never going to admit he got anything wrong, and he's setting himself up to play the victim card, himself. I'm sure he got many reasonably-worded corrections of his errors, but he'll never acknowledge them. In his mind Goodwin is rapist who is getting away with it because he's a local star. That's the narrative he's convinced himself of, and no evidence will change his mind. I guess he was marching arm-in-arm with Katherine Weathers during the last march. No doubt. I knew as soon as a person or two said something about deporting him, that would be the storyline. Meanwhile, well written and thought out emails like the one from Roy and SShoe will get completely ignored. He’s now the victim/survivor in this episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, brianstl said: That guy doesn’t deserve to get paid. He needs to be the one paying up. No doubt, just brainstorming with the rest of the Sanhedrin. Who will be our Pontius?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, kshoe said: No doubt. I knew as soon as a person or two said something about deporting him, that would be the storyline. Meanwhile, well written and thought out emails like the one from Roy and SShoe will get completely ignored. He’s now the victim in this episode. Those slinging mud about deportation certainly aren't helping. That's flat-out ridiculous. Completely takes the attention away from the subject of the debate. Stay on topic people (statement not addressed to KShoe or anyone on this board)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, dlarry said: This f'ing guy needs to go. I Anyone that knows how to persuade wouldn't say morons, would have said received thoughtful e-mails from the other side of the argument. Anyone that is fair understands the deportation was tongue and cheek but he chose to be outraged which proves he knows he is wrong and feeling aukward after the Goodwin's interview with Frank. This is really blowing up on this guy and the PD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I was opining, but I figured there would be little exerted pressure if we did not start a push here. SLU has no large profile on the Post D forums. Channel 5 has shown how to get the information, skimpy as it currently is, both correct and released in a concise and disciplined order, without a spin. You never write an opinion piece by first disclosing gross incompetence in getting the pertinent facts wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, CBFan said: Anyone that knows how to persuade wouldn't say morons, would have said received thoughtful e-mails from the other side of the argument. Anyone that is fair understands the deportation was tongue and cheek but he chose to be outraged which proves he knows he is wrong and feeling aukward after the Goodwin's interview with Frank. This is really blowing up on this guy and the PD. I guarantee you he thought he was going to be universally praised for his article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 If anyone on here knows Erica Means or Eve Thibon, give them a high five for their comments on Ortiz’s article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Just now, billikenfan05 said: I guarantee you he thought he was going to be universally praised for his article If so, he's delusional. No one, not even Jesus Christ, can garner universal approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, CBFan said: Anyone that knows how to persuade wouldn't say morons, would have said received thoughtful e-mails from the other side of the argument. Anyone that is fair understands the deportation was tongue and cheek but he chose to be outraged which proves he knows he is wrong and feeling aukward after the Goodwin's interview with Frank. This is really blowing up on this guy and the PD. I don’t think he “knows” he is wrong at all. I think he will use the 2 ignorant emails as proof that SLU people are ignorant and will completely ignore the countless well reasoned emails he received today. It’s somewhat human nature but someone like Ortiz is likely worse than most. Anybody that can write an article like he did today has no basis in reality so the idea that he would come to his senses after watching goodwins interview seems highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, slufan13 said: We need as many people at SLU as possible to see this This needs to be sent to Ortiz over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSide_Billiken Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 My wife just brought up the article when I got home from work. She agreed with everything that has been said here, but she also brought up an interesting point. She said, "If I were Carte'are Gordon, I'd also be pissed that I'm referenced in this article. It is almost as if he's implying that Gordon is a young man of questionable character that expects to receive special treatment. This implication was likely made despite the fact that Ortiz hasn't ever spoken to Carte'are Gordon." I'm sharing this because I thought it was an interesting take from a less interested third party who read the article. This article does not have any redeeming qualities. It is not even well-written. A city's newspaper is viewed as an authoritative voice for the city. In order for the Post Dispatch to remain legitimate in the eyes of its readers, it must remedy this situation. As an institution, they should be ashamed by the lack of journalistic integrity displayed by Ortiz. They should also be ashamed that they hired somebody that, quite frankly, lacks strong writing skills. This abomination features a 52-word one-sentence paragraph presenting a blatant lie as fact while espousing the baseless theory that the basketball program was part of a larger conspiracy to hide criminal activity. Simple research would have helped Ortiz realize that the only conspiracy here was committed by SLU's Administration and Title IX office. Jordan Goodwin and the other players are the victims in this situation. CBFan likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: I guarantee you he thought he was going to be universally praised for his article I agree he was too stupid to know that Jordan's got a good family and the power of their words today made him smaller than when he wrote that piece of garbage I promise to show all the interview with Frank and the Goodwin's so everyone knows and will counter the liars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, SouthSide_Billiken said: My wife just brought up the article when I got home from work. She agreed with everything that has been said here, but she also brought up an interesting point. She said, "If I were Carte'are Gordon, I'd also be pissed that I'm referenced in this article. It is almost as if he's implying that Gordon is a young man of questionable character that expects to receive special treatment. This implication was likely made despite the fact that Ortiz hasn't ever spoken to Carte'are Gordon." I'm sharing this because I thought it was an interesting take from a less interested third party who read the article. This article does not have any redeeming qualities. It is not even well-written. A city's newspaper is viewed as an authoritative voice for the city. In order for the Post Dispatch to remain legitimate in the eyes of its readers, it must remedy this situation. As an institution, they should be ashamed by the lack of journalistic integrity displayed by Ortiz. They should also be ashamed that they hired somebody that, quite frankly, lacks strong writing skills. This abomination features a 52-word one-sentence paragraph presenting a blatant lie as fact while espousing the baseless theory that the basketball program was part of a larger conspiracy to hide criminal activity. Simple research would have helped Ortiz realize that the only conspiracy here was committed by SLU's Administration and Title IX office. Jordan Goodwin and the other players are the victims in this situation. It’s a rare condition, this day and age, to read any good news on the newspaper page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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