SShoe Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 24 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: By definition, averages are strictly on games played. He played in 44, starting 16. A total of 500 minutes. It's all on the SLU website. Hey, I hope he is part of the answer, but I wouldn't pencil Bess in for double figure ppg next year. Maybe he a the lockdown defender or a 'glue guy'. I probably should've qualified the statement a little more. In games he started and played significant double-digit minutes last season (pretty much first half), his ppg average was closer to 6. After that, his minutes per game plummeted to mid single digits, which of course brought down his scoring average to the 2.9 figure by the end of the season. Assuming he's getting 20+ mpg here against weaker comp, I think there is a much greater likelihood he'll put up 10 per game than 3. Hopefully, he's one of about 4 players doing that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 19 hours ago, Glorydays2013 said: On a per 40 minute basis Bess averaged over 10 points and over 8 rebounds last season. That is on MSU team that plays at a below average pace and a tougher schedule than SLU will ever play. Per 40 minute numbers alone aren't a great way to judge a limited minute guy, but they at least put his number in a different perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwyjibo Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 1 minute ago, brianstl said: On a per 40 minute basis Bess averaged over 10 points and over 8 rebounds last season. That is on MSU team that plays at a below average pace and a tougher schedule than SLU will ever play. Per 40 minute numbers alone aren't a great way to judge a limited minute guy, but they at least put his number in a different perspective. Per 40 minutes is a good stat (see full stats below). The drawbacks of the per 40 minutes stats is that it ignores negative reasons a player cannot play 40 minutes (conditioning, fouls, etc.) and the minutes may be junk time. It looks like that Bess had some issues with fouls limiting minutes particularly in conference games but otherwise the stat holds up. Clearly not a prolific scorer or a good shooter but a decent offensive force and good rebounder. Javon Bess per 40 minutes Season School Conf G MP FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS Career Michigan State 44 499 3.4 7.6 .442 3.2 6.7 . 476 0.2 0.9 .182 3.2 6.0 .533 8.7 2.7 1.0 0.8 1.8 4.4 10.1 2014-15 Michigan State Big Ten 12 148 3.0 6.2 .478 2.7 5.7 . 476 0.3 0.5 .500 2.4 5.7 .429 9.5 3.2 1.1 0.8 2.4 4.3 8.6 2015-16 Michigan State Big Ten 32 351 3.5 8.2 .431 3.4 7.2 . 476 0.1 1.0 .111 3.5 6.2 .574 8.4 2.5 1.0 0.8 1.5 4.4 10.7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Aren't we getting a little ahead of ourselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Here are my observations so far: - Bess sucks - Welmer is the second coming - Roby is a 6'4 guard who can light it up and is a great leader - Crawford is hurt but not as hurt as Durando said but his previous stats don't matter because he's still hurt but we don't know how bad he's hurt just that he's hurt - Neufeld should transfer now - Gillmann would be a decent end of the bench guy for UMSL - Forget Ford's history, he's a great in-game coach and recruiter as shown by his time at SLU. - Bishop is good but he's also bad. He'll start over Goodwin but he needs to transfer to a lower school - Reggie could play in the league - Nobody cares about Hines - Johnson and Moore need 30 mins a game - Foreman will never walk again after his hip surgery but he's a shoe-in starter next year either way - French is a stud if Tilmon doesn't come to SLU. Forget about him if Tilmon does come to SLU. - Illini fans are the Jim Crews/Platt of fans - The marketing department is incompetent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 25 minutes ago, brianstl said: On a per 40 minute basis Bess averaged over 10 points and over 8 rebounds last season. That is on MSU team that plays at a below average pace and a tougher schedule than SLU will ever play. Per 40 minute numbers alone aren't a great way to judge a limited minute guy, but they at least put his number in a different perspective. Absolutely. I am friends with a few managers who I wont disclose, from what they said, all 3 transfers are better than any of our players right now. Bess was the best player in Ohio I believe his recruiting year or something close to that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 14 minutes ago, slufan13 said: Here are my observations so far: - Bess sucks - Welmer is the second coming - Roby is a 6'4 guard who can light it up and is a great leader - Crawford is hurt but not as hurt as Durando said but his previous stats don't matter because he's still hurt but we don't know how bad he's hurt just that he's hurt - Neufeld should transfer now - Gillmann would be a decent end of the bench guy for UMSL - Forget Ford's history, he's a great in-game coach and recruiter as shown by his time at SLU. - Bishop is good but he's also bad. He'll start over Goodwin but he needs to transfer to a lower school - Reggie could play in the league - Nobody cares about Hines - Johnson and Moore need 30 mins a game - Foreman will never walk again after his hip surgery but he's a shoe-in starter next year either way - French is a stud if Tilmon doesn't come to SLU. Forget about him if Tilmon does come to SLU. - Illini fans are the Jim Crews/Platt of fans - The marketing department is incompetent well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 39 minutes ago, slufan13 said: Here are my observations so far: - Bess sucks - Welmer is the second coming - Roby is a 6'4 guard who can light it up and is a great leader - Crawford is hurt but not as hurt as Durando said but his previous stats don't matter because he's still hurt but we don't know how bad he's hurt just that he's hurt - Neufeld should transfer now - Gillmann would be a decent end of the bench guy for UMSL - Forget Ford's history, he's a great in-game coach and recruiter as shown by his time at SLU. - Bishop is good but he's also bad. He'll start over Goodwin but he needs to transfer to a lower school - Reggie could play in the league - Nobody cares about Hines - Johnson and Moore need 30 mins a game - Foreman will never walk again after his hip surgery but he's a shoe-in starter next year either way - French is a stud if Tilmon doesn't come to SLU. Forget about him if Tilmon does come to SLU. - Illini fans are the Jim Crews/Platt of fans - The marketing department is incompetent Good job, but you forgot the most important player on the squad, Marko the Greek. Coach Ford is saving him for the A-10 season. He will be our secret weapon, or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 59 minutes ago, slufan13 said: Here are my observations so far: - Bess sucks - Welmer is the second coming - Roby is a 6'4 guard who can light it up and is a great leader - Crawford is hurt but not as hurt as Durando said but his previous stats don't matter because he's still hurt but we don't know how bad he's hurt just that he's hurt - Neufeld should transfer now - Gillmann would be a decent end of the bench guy for UMSL - Forget Ford's history, he's a great in-game coach and recruiter as shown by his time at SLU. - Bishop is good but he's also bad. He'll start over Goodwin but he needs to transfer to a lower school - Reggie could play in the league - Nobody cares about Hines - Johnson and Moore need 30 mins a game - Foreman will never walk again after his hip surgery but he's a shoe-in starter next year either way - French is a stud if Tilmon doesn't come to SLU. Forget about him if Tilmon does come to SLU. - Illini fans are the Jim Crews/Platt of fans - The marketing department is incompetent Nothing about Sweet Caroline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 "Bishop is good but he's also bad. He'll start over Goodwin but he needs to transfer to a lower school." Straight from the Jay Bilas school of basketball analysis. School motto is "You can never be wrong when you take all sides." Well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 56 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: Absolutely. I am friends with a few managers who I wont disclose, from what they said, all 3 transfers are better than any of our players right now. Bess was the best player in Ohio I believe his recruiting year or something close to that right? To be fair, we heard the same thing about Yacoubou the year Jett, Evans, McCall, and Loe were seniors. We saw how that worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David King Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 3 hours ago, gobillsgo said: To be fair, we heard the same thing about Yacoubou the year Jett, Evans, McCall, and Loe were seniors. We saw how that worked out. I don't remember hearing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 3 hours ago, gobillsgo said: To be fair, we heard the same thing about Yacoubou the year Jett, Evans, McCall, and Loe were seniors. We saw how that worked out. I remember hearing that yacoubou was the quickest on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 8 hours ago, gobillsgo said: To be fair, we heard the same thing about Yacoubou the year Jett, Evans, McCall, and Loe were seniors. We saw how that worked out. Yacoubou may have been a better athlete, or at least on par with Jett and Evans. It would have been interesting to watch him play with a solid team, and maybe a point guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Point of order: It's Youcoubou. It must have always been misspelled in programs, rosters, etc. Luckily, Gus caught the error and corrected it during Ash's entire career at SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 2 hours ago, bonwich said: Point of order: It's Youcoubou. It must have always been misspelled in programs, rosters, etc. Luckily, Gus caught the error and corrected it during Ash's entire career at SLU. My new season tickets give me a great opportunity to heckle Gus Foulups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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