kshoe Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 @kshoe ----- you realize 200 words is good for me. I'm striving to improve (getting shorter) all the time. <tele-hug> 200 words on billiken basketball = good 200 words on Washington st. Football = not so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 this is a little interesting and may be the reason why Ro hasn't commited: Randy O Who wants to help me study for the sat? 11min He probably isn't that good academically or doesn't check out academically One good thing verbalcommits is good for is showing deleted tweets like this one As I said a few dozen posts back, I have heard there may be more to the situation than just recruits taking their time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Doesn't Kentucky have a guy that will not only help a recruit study, he'll find somebody to take the test? Yeah, they do. We don't have that guy, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliKat Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 this is a little interesting and may be the reason why Ro hasn't commited: Randy O Who wants to help me study for the sat? 11min He probably isn't that good academically or doesn't check out academically One good thing verbalcommits is good for is showing deleted tweets like this one Ding ding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 this is a little interesting and may be the reason why Ro hasn't commited: Randy O Who wants to help me study for the sat? 11min He probably isn't that good academically or doesn't check out academically One good thing verbalcommits is good for is showing deleted tweets like this one If he is having trouble getting the needed number on the SAT, then Miami (Ohio) probably is not a viable option. It is an extremely tough academic school with demanding entrance requirements. Much tougher than SLU. Maybe this is why LSU is now an option for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 If he is having trouble getting the needed number on the SAT, then Miami (Ohio) probably is not a viable option. It is an extremely tough academic school with demanding entrance requirements. Much tougher than SLU. Maybe this is why LSU is now an option for him. This is false. SLU: Average GPA: 3.64, Avg. SAT: 1961, Avg. ACT: 29, Acceptance rate: 61%. Miami: Average GPA: 3.47, Avg. SAT: 1832, Avg. ACT: 27, Acceptance rate: 73%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Also, he has until August to hit whatever SAT score he needs. It might not be an issue; he may have just wanted to wait until the summer to take it. It's not a smart move for most HS students but if he's confident he'll get the minimum required by the NCAA, any of the schools on his list will accept him. I haven't heard that he's a major academic concern. He's coming out of Inglewood HS, which isn't going to put him on a level playing field with most of his peers academically wherever he goes. But if he's a good kid who works hard there's no reason not to take him; Jett and McCall were both coming from high school situations that would make SLU tough for them, and both have gotten it done in the classroom and will graduate. I'm guessing he's doing some cramming; the next SAT date is this Saturday, 6/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 This is false. SLU: Average GPA: 3.64, Avg. SAT: 1961, Avg. ACT: 29, Acceptance rate: 61%. Miami: Average GPA: 3.47, Avg. SAT: 1832, Avg. ACT: 27, Acceptance rate: 73%. And they're only one spot ahead of us in the U.S. News rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 And they're only one spot ahead of us in the U.S. News rankings. Which is BS. I'm guessing it has to do with how nice Miami's campus is (seems like a private East Coast school; doesn't look like a Midwestern state school at all) or the quality of babes walking around there. Miami students are pretty much suburban Cincinnati kids who were B-students in high school and whose main ambition in college is heavy participation in Greek life (no offense). Academically, it's way overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 SLU, Miami (Oh.), Mizzou, Semo, Duke, and almost anywhere else you look have the same academic requirements for basketball. If the NCAA clears you, generally any school will clear you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 SLU, Miami (Oh.), Mizzou, Semo, Duke, and almost anywhere else you look have the same academic requirements for basketball. If the NCAA clears you, generally any school will clear you. It's my understanding that some schools - Stanford, Northwestern, and the like - require student athletes, even in sports like football and basketball, to gain admission in order to play. From what I can tell, concessions are often (always?) made when it comes to admitting athletes, but they must still possess more than the NCAA's minimum requirements in order to be admitted. I could be way off base here, however. But like you said, SLU's academic requirements for basketball players are no different than those of Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Let me state what should be obvious. Without actual game playing and competition, rankings are subjective exercises with, let's be kind about this, variable claims to be realistic. For example, Fox Sports has two sets of power rankings in the net, one is dated 4/10/2013, this one rates the Bills at 15 th place. The other one is dated 4/14/2013, only 4 days later, it rates the Bills at 23 rd place. Both sets of rankings say pretty much the same about the Bills. Anyone thinks these are realistic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010andBeyond Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 SLU, Miami (Oh.), Mizzou, Semo, Duke, and almost anywhere else you look have the same academic requirements for basketball. If the NCAA clears you, generally any school will clear you. Exactly. Just qualify, then pursue the easiest major the school offers. Same deal pretty much everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 It's my understanding that some schools - Stanford, Northwestern, and the like - require student athletes, even in sports like football and basketball, to gain admission in order to play. I KNOW it is like this at Northwestern, not sure about Stanford. It is always the go-to excuse when talking about the fact they've never been to an NCAA Tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 It's my understanding that some schools - Stanford, Northwestern, and the like - require student athletes, even in sports like football and basketball, to gain admission in order to play. From what I can tell, concessions are often (always?) made when it comes to admitting athletes, but they must still possess more than the NCAA's minimum requirements in order to be admitted. I could be way off base here, however. But like you said, SLU's academic requirements for basketball players are no different than those of Miami. Stanford, Northwestern, Virginia, and the ivies I know have their own admission standards. There may be a few other examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Stanford, Northwestern, Virginia, and the ivies I know have their own admission standards. There may be a few other examples. Yeah, their standards are somewhere between what they would be for other students and what NCAA requirements are. They don't want to take a flyer on anyone so as not to open themselves up to criticism from the alumni base. Makes sense, as long as Northwestern grads are fine with a team that looks like a competitive YMCA squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdog Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Does no one recall the Craig Upchurch fiasco? Qualified by the NCAA but rejected by SLU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 This all can't be true about RO-he said he would make his decision by the end of this month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Does no one recall the Craig Upchurch fiasco? Qualified by the NCAA but rejected by SLU? You are talking about a quarter century ago. Times have changed. Our entry standards are the same as everyone else (except for the few mentioned above) for highschool players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 For SLU, it's a case-by-case basis. They have to make a judgment call based on the kid's character. GPA and test scores alone aren't going to keep a guy out if he meets NCAA standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbizzle09 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 You are talking about a quarter century ago. Times have changed. Our entry standards are the same as everyone else (except for the few mentioned above) for highschool players. Exactly, Bringing up the Upchurch situation is irrelevant when looking at the current landscape and the admission standards now used by SLU for basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 If he is having trouble getting the needed number on the SAT, then Miami (Ohio) probably is not a viable option. It is an extremely tough academic school with demanding entrance requirements. Much tougher than SLU. Maybe this is why LSU is now an option for him. Does SLU offer a class called Physics in Sports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Charlie Coles used to teach a Basketball Theory class at Miami when he was there. It was not a difficult class and - unsurprisingly - all basketball players took it. Former SLU assistant Jason Grunkenmeyer said it was basically story time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Does SLU offer a class called Physics in Sports?Not saying this is what you're implying, but you can find easy classes anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Charlie Coles used to teach a Basketball Theory class at Miami when he was there. It was not a difficult class and - unsurprisingly - all basketball players took it. Former SLU assistant Jason Grunkenmeyer said it was basically story time. Jim Harrick scoffs at this notion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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