Selection Sunday

[brianstl]

NIT

4 A10 teams in.  Indiana St a number one seed and will never have to leave the state of Indiana for a game no matter how for they advance. St. John’s turns down bid.

[HoosierPal]

3 minutes ago, brianstl said:

NIT

4 A10 teams in.  Indiana St a number one seed and will never have to leave the state of Indiana for a game no matter how for they advance. St. John’s turns down bid.

Congrats to St Joe as a surprise selection. For sure they got an invite due to the 6 who opted out, St Johns, Pitt, Oklahoma, Memphis, Ole Miss and Indiana. 

The question is why did they opt out?  Not interested in the tourney?  Players already informing the coaches they are portaling?  NIL doesn’t cover NIT participation?  Studying for finals?  Okay, forget that one. Players would rather go to Cancun on Spring Break!?  

[almaman]

19 minutes ago, Lando Griffin said:

SLU officially left off the NIT bracket.

dang was hoping to see Tate step up for a few games as head coach

[brianstl]

1 minute ago, HoosierPal said:

Congrats to St Joe as a surprise selection. For sure they got an invite due to the 6 who opted out, St Johns, Pitt, Oklahoma, Memphis, Ole Miss and Indiana. 

The question is why did they opt out?  Not interested in the tourney?  Players already informing the coaches they are portaling?  NIL doesn’t cover NIT participation?  Studying for finals?  Okay, forget that one. Players would rather go to Cancun on Spring Break!?  

Guaranteed NIT bids obviously wasn’t the way to make the big conference teams happy.  Time to go to 96 teams in the Big Dance

[almaman]

2 minutes ago, brianstl said:

Guaranteed NIT bids obviously wasn’t the way to make the big conference teams happy.  Time to go to 96 teams in the Big Dance

it would be so easy and would shut everyone up that's bitching. 80 teams works for me. 8 games Tuesday 8 Wednesday regular 64 starts 11:08 Thursday as always.

[HoosierPal]

1 minute ago, brianstl said:

Guaranteed NIT bids obviously wasn’t the way to make the big conference teams happy.  Time to go to 96 teams in the Big Dance

I did like what Pitino said.  "First off, I think we should all probably never mention that word [NET] again because I think it's fraudulent," Pitino told SNY. "I think the NET is something that shouldn't even be mentioned anymore.

Today's results bumped ISU up to NET 28.

It's never going to be fixed.  The math shouldn't give ISU a 28 NET if a NET of 28 doesn't mean anything.  As we all know, you can't get a Quad 1 win if Quad 1 teams won't play you.  When you play 10 Quad 1 games, as St. John did, it isn't difficult to win 5.  If you play 5 Quad 1 games, as ISU did, it's not as easy to win 5.  

[Lando Griffin]

11 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

Congrats to St Joe as a surprise selection. For sure they got an invite due to the 6 who opted out, St Johns, Pitt, Oklahoma, Memphis, Ole Miss and Indiana. 

The question is why did they opt out?  Not interested in the tourney?  Players already informing the coaches they are portaling?  NIL doesn’t cover NIT participation?  Studying for finals?  Okay, forget that one. Players would rather go to Cancun on Spring Break!?  

Dumb, but hey, let those that want to play, play! 

[cheeseman]

1 hour ago, Lord Elrond said:

A10 only got 2 because Dayton stumbled in the tourney. If Dayton won the A10 tourney, it would have been a one bid league. If Duq was the team that shoved ISU out, as potentially pointed out by @The Wiz’s computer, then could Dayton winning the A10 tournament have gotten ISU in? 
 

The real truth for both leagues is that Dayton was the only team in both leagues good enough to lose their conference tournament and still make it in. That was the margin of difference between the MVC and the A10. Not a very large difference.

You can rationalize what happened all you want but the A10 got 2 and MVC 1.  There were other conferences that had surprised tourney winners and they still only got 1 in.  I said I wasn't being that serious but a year or so down the road nobody is going to remember all the upsets that caused a conference to only get 1 team.  We will only see in 23-24 the A10 was a multi bid league and the MVC was not.  Whether ISU should have gotten in or not is now mute and that Dayton got in as an at large is all that counts.

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Lord Elrond said:

A10 only got 2 because Dayton stumbled in the tourney. If Dayton won the A10 tourney, it would have been a one bid league. If Duq was the team that shoved ISU out, as potentially pointed out by @The Wiz’s computer, then could Dayton winning the A10 tournament have gotten ISU in? 
 

The real truth for both leagues is that Dayton was the only team in both leagues good enough to lose their conference tournament and still make it in. That was the margin of difference between the MVC and the A10. Not a very large difference.

Possibly...it would have eliminated 1 bid stealer and possibly changed the other NET numbers just enough for ISU to get in..

And now the official NCAA  statement as to what happened....  in the previous 3 years there have been 2 bid stealers (0.67/yr) ...this year alone there have been 5 ...NCAA translation...just a freak happening....  Plus  ISU played a weak OOC schedule...NCAA translation...not our fault, ISU should have scheduled better.

Bottom line ...You have a computer system (NET) that is figuring everything in and comes up with an overall rating for ISU of #29 out of 362 teams....yet somehow a miracle happens and #54 UVA gets in...Question....When you look at NET results which is more important ...SOS or the overall rating which takes in SOS plus all the other data and then compares ISU to UVA plus 360 other teams ...the answer seems clear until the humans arrive then the other factors start to plug in...P5 vs mid major....ACC vs MVC...UVA vs ISU.  

Hello Mid major...I am from the NCAA and I am here to help you....the computer says run.

[Lando Griffin]

33 minutes ago, cheeseman said:

You can rationalize what happened all you want but the A10 got 2 and MVC 1.  There were other conferences that had surprised tourney winners and they still only got 1 in.  I said I wasn't being that serious but a year or so down the road nobody is going to remember all the upsets that caused a conference to only get 1 team.  We will only see in 23-24 the A10 was a multi bid league and the MVC was not.  Whether ISU should have gotten in or not is now mute and that Dayton got in as an at large is all that counts.

The fact that you’re even comparing the A-10 to the MVC means you’ve already lost.  Strive to figure out how to get 6 teams in like the MWC, not argue against the MVC.

[Slu let the dogs out?]

1 hour ago, brianstl said:

NIT

4 A10 teams in.  Indiana St a number one seed and will never have to leave the state of Indiana for a game no matter how for they advance. St. John’s turns down bid

Completely missed the other 2.  Our next head coach Tom Crean had something to say about teams turning down bids: 

 

[thunderdan]

2 hours ago, Lord Elrond said:

A10 only got 2 because Dayton stumbled in the tourney. If Dayton won the A10 tourney, it would have been a one bid league. If Duq was the team that shoved ISU out, as potentially pointed out by @The Wiz’s computer, then could Dayton winning the A10 tournament have gotten ISU in? 
 

The real truth for both leagues is that Dayton was the only team in both leagues good enough to lose their conference tournament and still make it in. That was the margin of difference between the MVC and the A10. Not a very large difference.

AND, if Duquesne making the tournament DID force Indiana St. out (and Scherz becomes our coach as a result), do we owe the Dukes a fruit basket?  

[Slu let the dogs out?]

1 minute ago, thunderdan said:

AND, if Duquesne making the tournament DID force Indiana St. out (and Scherz becomes our coach as a result), do we owe the Dukes a fruit basket?  

Depends. Which fruit basket are we talking about?

[thunderdan]

3 minutes ago, Slu let the dogs out? said:

Depends. Which fruit basket are we talking about?

Edible Arrangement??? Maybe we each throw in $2-$3.

[Bay Area Billiken]

Another year of Power 5 controlled NCAA Tourney chicanery is in the books.  This year's results include:  26 of the 36 NCAA At Large bids went to the Power 5, a whopping 72.2%.  When the 2 Big East At Large's are included, the number bulges to 28 of the 36 at large bids, 77.8%.  The new Group of 4, Mountain West, A10, AAC and WCC received 8 at large bids, 22.2% of the total, with the Mountain West receiving 5 of those 8 at large bids, and the A10, AAC and WCC receiving 1 at large each.

The Big East is outraged by only receiving 2 NCAA At Large bids and 3 NCAA bids overall.  St. John's Coach Rick Pitino labled the NET rankings as "fraudulent."  St. John's was snubbed despite its NET of 32 and wasn't even in the revealed First Four Out.

Juan Bid visited 22 of the 32 conferences, including the #10 Conference NET MVC.  The A10 finished #8 in Conference NET.  Indiana State was flat out snubbed with its NET of 28, set a new record as the best NET team to be snubbed, yet was only #3 on the 4-team Last Four Out list.  That list includes Oklahoma, Seton Hall, Indiana State and Pitt. 

When the auto bids are counted, an even 50%, 34 of the 68 NCAA bids went to the Power 5 + 1 (Power 6).  That number looks a bit too round to be a mere coincidence.

There were 5 variances between a pure NCAA NET field and the actual.  #28 Indiana State, #32 St. John's, #37 Cincinnati, #40 Pitt, and #41 Villanova were replaced by #44 Washington State, #45 Texas A&M, #51 South Carolina, #53 Northwestern, and #54 Virginia. 

#32 St. John's, #46 Oklahoma, #69 Washington, #75 Memphis, #90 Ole Miss, and #98 Indiana reportedly refused NIT participation. 

The A10 has #23 Dayton and #80 Duquesne in the NCAA, and #71 VCU, #73 Richmond, #85 Loyola Chicago and #92 St. Joe's in the NIT.  Loyola Chicago plays #57 Bradley in Peoria in a First Round NIT matchup.  Bradley is a #3 Seed in the NIT.  #1 Seed Indiana State hosts SMU.  Both those games are on Wed., 3/20/24 on ESPN+.

[CenHudDude]

10 hours ago, Lando Griffin said:

SLU officially left off the NIT bracket.

What a shock!  I can’t believe it.

[David King]

13 hours ago, Soderball said:

A&M being in is straight pathetic.

TX A&M beat Florida, Miss St., Iowa State, Tenn, and Ky twice. Who did Indiana St. beat? Drake once in 3 tries.

[David King]

13 hours ago, TheA_Bomb said:

Michigan State got in?  Come on

They beat the Sycamores by 12 points.

[cheeseman]

9 hours ago, Lando Griffin said:

The fact that you’re even comparing the A-10 to the MVC means you’ve already lost.  Strive to figure out how to get 6 teams in like the MWC, not argue against the MVC.

Apparently, you have missed all the discussion on here about how the MVC is as good or better than the A10 so why would Shertz come here.  My posts were in response to that stuff.  I am not trying to make a bigger issue.

[slu72]

7 minutes ago, David King said:

They beat the Sycamores by 12 points.

The Izzo exemption. We were led to believe the NET was the be all end all. Pitino calls it fraudulent. As for the teams opting out of the NIT, they don’t want to remind their fans they are Not In Tournament. 

[Lord Elrond]

Or, cheer on the SLU WBB team as they play in the Women’s NIT this tear instead of arguing over the men’s team. Final Brackets come out today, the ladies are in though.

 

[David King]

11 hours ago, cheeseman said:

So, from reading these threads it looks like the MVC got 1 and the A10 got 2 so that should put the discussion that the MVC is as good as the A10 to rest.  I am not being serious here but it does make you stop and think.

If an A-10 team won 28 games, they would be an NCAA lock, and likely a 4 to 6 seed. ISU winning 28 and being snubbed tells me that the Valley is even worse than I thought.

[Bay Area Billiken]

A SLU team playing in the A10 with a NET of 28 on Selection Sunday would not be snubbed. The differences in coaching salaries and media market sizes are stark. The errant tweets from Indiana in support of Indiana State notwithstanding, a move from ISU-Blue to SLU is not a “lateral move.”

[Bay Area Billiken]

https://x.com/hoyapropaganda/status/1769499307655274785?s=46&t=jikm5nKg-NlIUjy2c9C9zw

Does this one really need to be in the form of a question? 

[TheA_Bomb]

1 minute ago, Bay Area Billiken said:

https://x.com/hoyapropaganda/status/1769499307655274785?s=46&t=jikm5nKg-NlIUjy2c9C9zw

Does this one really need to be in the form of a question? 

Soderberg exemption?

 

Yeah UVA is bad in a down ACC. St. John's turned it on after the famous Pitino "lateral quickness" rant.

But if anything goes against some greater narrative about TV audience, media hype the Pitino snub does.  He gets a lot of helium and is sitting at home.  

Gotta give it to him he is entertaining though, his quote about how St. John's could beat UCONN was great. He said they could win, "if all UCONN starters got COVID."