More evidence of the evolving impact of NIL ...

[billiken_roy]

1 hour ago, cheeseman said:

Outsourcing the complete arena makes no sense - outsourcing the operations does.  The issue here is Roy is saying we are treated no different under the outsource agreement then anybody else except for right of refusal for keeping dates open and that we pay rent.  As I said, we are still paying the bonds of why would we pay any amount for rent - that is us double paying.  

we arent privy to the numbers.   we dont know what the rental rates are, what the bond payment is, we dont know what the cost to administer and maintain the building, to assume they shold give us all our dates without knowing all the facts is shortsighted imo.   it might be worth that just to have to relieve saint louis university of the time trouble, and expense of running the building.   like slu-lax states, that isnt slu's specialty and might have cost us a lot more than the cost of us paying rent for our dates.  

[cheeseman]

2 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

we arent privy to the numbers.   we dont know what the rental rates are, what the bond payment is, we dont know what the cost to administer and maintain the building, to assume they shold give us all our dates without knowing all the facts is shortsighted imo.   it might be worth that just to have to relieve saint louis university of the time trouble, and expense of running the building.   like slu-lax states, that isnt slu's specialty and might have cost us a lot more than the cost of us paying rent for our dates.  

But it is OK for you to make assumptions without knowing the facts/numbers?  My post is based on common sense but yes I agree it appears people at SLU may not be capable of using common sense

[Lord Elrond]

8 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

we arent privy to the numbers.   we dont know what the rental rates are, what the bond payment is, we dont know what the cost to administer and maintain the building, to assume they shold give us all our dates without knowing all the facts is shortsighted imo.   it might be worth that just to have to relieve saint louis university of the time trouble, and expense of running the building.   like slu-lax states, that isnt slu's specialty and might have cost us a lot more than the cost of us paying rent for our dates.  

In other words, it’s just like the machine that goes “Ping”:

We lease this back from the company we sold it to, that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account. Thank you, thank you, we try to do our best.

Monty Python had corporate finance figured out after all! Amazing!

[Aquinas]

I follow Florida Gator football, as 2 of my daughters went there. I'm becoming aware of another unintended consequence if NIL. Why talk about power 5 football, because  power 5 football created this.

Fans who contribute to NIL have less patience for losing. UF expects to be in the running for a national championship every year. Worse case fans expect to be ranked in the top 25. 

Realignment has resulted in a super strong SEC football schedule, which is great if your team is really good, but if not your team can be destroyed and embarrassed every week. This can result in not just losses, but historic, /record setting losses.

The Gators are becoming a place where coaches go to die. The fans are booing, at the beginning of year 3 of the current coach, and the really  tough games/losses are coming.

The last NIL ranking I saw was UF at number 4, at 763 million.... and they are losing. Forget about a national  championship or top 25, they are losing. The money isn't providing wins and the natives are restless. 

NIL increases the heat. A new coach has to win and if not is done in year 2 or 3. Yes he will make insane money, but can he take his family out anywhere in a losing season. Fans are not just disappointed, they are angry. Donate money and lose = Mangry. UF definitely has Mangry fans.

 

[OkieBilliken]

Wow.  Reading how the undefeated UNLV quarterback is leaving his team and taking a redshirt because he didnt get his NIL bag he was promised is wild.   College football really is a toxic, disgusting cesspool that is endangering all of college athletics.   UNLV is screwed.   They look really bad and will never get another quality transfer.   And who would want a dude like this to lead their team?   This is just madness.     

[billikenfan05]

53 minutes ago, OkieBilliken said:

Wow.  Reading how the undefeated UNLV quarterback is leaving his team and taking a redshirt because he didnt get his NIL bag he was promised is wild.   College football really is a toxic, disgusting cesspool that is endangering all of college athletics.   UNLV is screwed.   They look really bad and will never get another quality transfer.   And who would want a dude like this to lead their team?   This is just madness.     

For like 2 years until ESPN makes a documentary about this and they get paid multiple millions to participate. 

[HoosierPal]

3 hours ago, OkieBilliken said:

Wow.  Reading how the undefeated UNLV quarterback is leaving his team and taking a redshirt because he didnt get his NIL bag he was promised is wild.   College football really is a toxic, disgusting cesspool that is endangering all of college athletics.   UNLV is screwed.   They look really bad and will never get another quality transfer.   And who would want a dude like this to lead their team?   This is just madness.     

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41430604/unlv-qb-matthew-sluka-no-longer-play-rebels-representations-were-not-upheld

There are always two sides to every story.  Did Sluka have signed contract(s)?  If so, then he should take the other party to court.  If he didn't have a contract, then that's on him.  You have heard the same stories I have, how certain athletes come to a school with a price they want met.  Is that what Sluka did, and he thought his price would be met when in fact it wasn't promised?  Unfortunately, in today's world hand shakes on a deal and 'I give you my word' don't mean what they used to.

Yes it is a mess, and yes college sports, including football and basketball are a mess, and yes, college sports are at the tipping point.  But I want to hear both sides of this story before taking either side.  Or, I may just shrug and say who cares anymore?

[OkieBilliken]

10 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41430604/unlv-qb-matthew-sluka-no-longer-play-rebels-representations-were-not-upheld

There is always two sides to every story.  Did Sluka have signed contract(s)?  If so, then he should take the other party to court.  If he didn't have a contract, then that's on him.  You have heard the same stories I have, how certain athletes come to a school with a price they want met.  Is that what Sluka did, and he thought his price would be met when in fact it wasn't promised?  Unfortunately, in today's world hand shakes on a deal and 'I give you my word' don't mean what they used to.

Yes it is a mess, and yes college sports, including football and basketball are a mess, and yes, college sports are at the tipping point.  But I want to hear both sides of this story before taking either side.

Yeah no one comes out of this looking good.   Maybe they misled him, maybe he was trying to hold them up and they called his bluff.   I really hate this.   

[dlarry]

 

[slu72]

Should have put in a performance clause. Pure selfishness is commitments were honored. Guys a lousy teammate, but everybody seems to be in it for themselves and the $$’s these days. I do think this NIL model is going to have more of a negative impact on programs and the players. It’s not hard to see where NIL can become a chemistry destroyer. 

[HoosierPal]

1 hour ago, dlarry said:

 

Now this is getting interesting.  Is this the other side of the story?  Is it true? (If it is on the internet it has to be true, right?)  So if Mr Sluka now wants to hold out, or renegotiate an agreement, his word/signature is meaningless. 

I'm reading into this, but it seems he went into the UNLV arrangement without an agent, without someone knowledgeable of how easy it is to get screwed.  So, if he had flubbed up the games against KU and Houston, would he be willing to give back some of his NIL?  If we want pay to win, then let's put it in writing.  Team wins, and you get $$$.  Team loses and you get nothing.  A tie, you get to kiss your sister.

This is an entirely different spin as to what he was quoted as saying in the article.  Which is closer to the truth?

 

[TheA_Bomb]

Story about Tennessee raising ticket prices 14% and it going to players.  The article talks about collective bargaining agreements (CBA) solving some issues. The issues being, having an agreement for employment. That may solve the issue like at UNLV but it doesn't stop NIL from another source to pay any amount for players to play at a certain school. Though NFL players still sit out to get new contracts.

I do foresee a future including conference CBAs, but anticipate NIL to still be there for inducements to pay at certain schools.

[brianstl]

2 hours ago, dlarry said:

 

What program is going to want a guy that wants to renegotiate during the season?

 

[Lord Elrond]

24 minutes ago, brianstl said:

What program is going to want a guy that wants to renegotiate during the season?

 

If that’s what it was, no one.

If it was UNLV failing to live up to what it promised, who would want to go there?

How do we know what the actual truth is? I have no idea.

The only thing I take away from this is, if I’m a recruit, why would I risk going to UNLV if I had an offer from someone else?

If I’m another program, why take a risk on this guy if I had any other choice?

It really doesn’t matter what the truth is to say that both player and UNLV hurt themselves in this.

[brianstl]

18 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said:

If that’s what it was, no one.

If it was UNLV failing to live up to what it promised, who would want to go there?

How do we know what the actual truth is? I have no idea.

The only thing I take away from this is, if I’m a recruit, why would I risk going to UNLV if I had an offer from someone else?

If I’m another program, why take a risk on this guy if I had any other choice?

It really doesn’t matter what the truth is to say that both player and UNLV hurt themselves in this.

I think we will know the truth if he is the only UNLV player that complains about not getting his money

[dlarry]

55 minutes ago, brianstl said:

What program is going to want a guy that wants to renegotiate during the season?

 

What program is going to give a giant raise to a QB who puts up these numbers in 3 games? 
 

21 of 48 for 318 yds. 

40 carries for 250 yards. 

He’s producing about 190 yards per game. 
 

[Lord Elrond]

22 minutes ago, brianstl said:

I think we will know the truth if he is the only UNLV player that complains about not getting his money

Not necessarily, he’s just the only player who did something. Doesn’t mean there aren’t others not getting all that was promised them, but they don’t feel in a position to do anything about it. Doesn’t mean that all other players didn’t get all they were promised either.

The amounts of money in NIL are still life changing amounts of money, even if it’s only a partial amount of what was promised. A lot of athletes are not in a position to make a fuss about being shorted. 

[HoosierPal]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/matthew-sluka-leaves-unlv-nil-collective-denies-offering-100k-to-qb-school-calls-demands-implied-threats/

The fun is starting.  Mud slinging on both sides.  Verbal promise of at least $100k from an assistant coach.  Get it in writing son.

ESPN reported Sluka was verbally promised a minimum of $100,000 from a UNLV assistant coach. But at the crux of the breakdown between Sluka and UNLV was that whatever Sluka believed he was promised by UNLV was not outlined in writing before he arrived as a transfer from Holy Cross.

[dlarry]

7 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/matthew-sluka-leaves-unlv-nil-collective-denies-offering-100k-to-qb-school-calls-demands-implied-threats/

The fun is starting.  Mud slinging on both sides.  Verbal promise of at least $100k from an assistant coach.  Get it in writing son.

ESPN reported Sluka was verbally promised a minimum of $100,000 from a UNLV assistant coach. But at the crux of the breakdown between Sluka and UNLV was that whatever Sluka believed he was promised by UNLV was not outlined in writing before he arrived as a transfer from Holy Cross.

100 grand? UNLV hasn’t paid that much for a player since Larry Johnson and Stacy Augmon were playing.

[Lord Elrond]

14 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/matthew-sluka-leaves-unlv-nil-collective-denies-offering-100k-to-qb-school-calls-demands-implied-threats/

The fun is starting.  Mud slinging on both sides.  Verbal promise of at least $100k from an assistant coach.  Get it in writing son.

ESPN reported Sluka was verbally promised a minimum of $100,000 from a UNLV assistant coach. But at the crux of the breakdown between Sluka and UNLV was that whatever Sluka believed he was promised by UNLV was not outlined in writing before he arrived as a transfer from Holy Cross.

Get it in writing or treat the offer as if it doesn’t exist is the advice I would give players as well

[RiseOfTheBillikens]

RB also red shirting for same reason apparently