BigMouthBilliken Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/slu-medical-school-put-on-probation-by-accreditation-agency/article_e61e1775-c17e-560c-9175-ef40bea9768e.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I've heard the issue is with the dean: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgbilliken Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 It doesn't seem that secret.. I got an email about it this morning from SLU. Still, yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Pestello is doing a great job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 After making big improvements last year the law school dropped 6 spots to 88 this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 hour ago, rgbilliken said: It doesn't seem that secret.. I got an email about it this morning from SLU. Still, yikes. You've obviously never seen the movie Animal House... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgbilliken Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 30 minutes ago, BigMouthBilliken said: You've obviously never seen the movie Animal House... In my defense, I'm not a dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, rgbilliken said: In my defense, I'm not a dude. sup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 hour ago, RiseAndGrind said: After making big improvements last year the law school dropped 6 spots to 88 this year Where did the law school rank the year before? I know it was a big deal a few years back when it dropped out of the top 100. Hopefully the move to the building downtown is paying off in other measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 30 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said: Where did the law school rank the year before? I know it was a big deal a few years back when it dropped out of the top 100. Hopefully the move to the building downtown is paying off in other measures. It was 87, then 82, now 88. 10-15 years ago we were in the high 60s, low 70s. The reality is it makes very little difference whether a school is ranked 75th vs. 95th. But it is good to be firmly in the top 100 again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 hour ago, JMM28 said: Pestello is doing a great job. I don't know if Pestello is to blame here. His guy didn't take over the medical school until January 1. I think it is probably safe to assume these issues existed prior to Pestello taking over. Back when they announced the succession plan of the medical school dean, Pestello hinted that there were going to problems with the accreditation review. The revamp of med school leadership and the leadership of SLUCare was a response to these problems. Pestello addressed this just months after it was announced he was taking over. It appears to me that Pestello is catching blame for many different problems that were actually left for him by Biondi. http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/slu-announces-succession-plan-for-medical-school-dean-taps-new/article_9c653dee-1734-52a8-a66e-65fb22bc449c.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNBrews1818 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Med Student here, very awkward climate today. We have town halls with the new dean over lunch tomorrow and Thursday where I assume we'll hear a little more. Can Bills basketball be the savior the University increasingly seems to need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, BillsNBrews1818 said: Med Student here, very awkward climate today. We have town halls with the new dean over lunch tomorrow and Thursday where I assume we'll hear a little more. Can Bills basketball be the savior the University increasingly seems to need? More awkward: Being put on academic probation or having 4 law school deans in 3 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 What college student is going to want to apply to a med school that is currently on probation. This is a huge blow that will affect the quality of students the Med School gets for years. Pestello took over in July of 2014. He's been at the helm for over two and a half years. He was in charge when the merger with SSM happened. At what point do we start holding this guy responsible for the myriad of problems that have arisen since he took over? The budget is a mess, employees are getting laid off left and right, and the Med School is the only med school in the country currently on probation. Can the alumni protest down on campus and give Pestello a vote of no-confidence just like the idiots in the faculty did to Biondi a few years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: What college student is going to want to apply to a med school that is currently on probation. This is a huge blow that will affect the quality of students the Med School gets for years. Pestello took over in July of 2014. He's been at the helm for over two and a half years. He was in charge when the merger with SSM happened. At what point do we start holding this guy responsible for the myriad of problems that have arisen since he took over? The budget is a mess, employees are getting laid off left and right, and the Med School is the only med school in the country currently on probation. Can the alumni protest down on campus and give Pestello a vote of no-confidence just like the idiots in the faculty did to Biondi a few years ago? To be honest, he inherited a mess. To be perfectly honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: What college student is going to want to apply to a med school that is currently on probation. This is a huge blow that will affect the quality of students the Med School gets for years. Pestello took over in July of 2014. He's been at the helm for over two and a half years. He was in charge when the merger with SSM happened. At what point do we start holding this guy responsible for the myriad of problems that have arisen since he took over? The budget is a mess, employees are getting laid off left and right, and the Med School is the only med school in the country currently on probation. Can the alumni protest down on campus and give Pestello a vote of no-confidence just like the idiots in the faculty did to Biondi a few years ago? Is there something wrong with the SSM merger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: What college student is going to want to apply to a med school that is currently on probation. Baylor is mentioned as having been on probation in recent years. They're currently listed at No. 21 on U.S. News' med school rankings. GW was on probation too - they're No. 59. We're 67. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 These accreditation reviews are a bit more complicated then just check off a list. I have seen where a school knew they had a problem in one small area and had a plan in place to address it but since the team did not physically see the results of the plan that was in place then the school gets whacked. I get it if it is not there then it doesn't exist. The problem is that they tend to treat all areas equally and we all know that that is not really true. I am not saying that is not a problem but that lets let the smoke clear before everybody goes crazy. This situation may already be in the process of being remedied and just needs a little time to be in place. As far as people applying - the school will not have a problem getting students - the best maybe not but they may not have been getting the top ones anyway. Pestello has not been here long enough to get shackled with all these issues totally. In a couple years if things are still not right then I agree he needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNBrews1818 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I will agree with others here in that I think the idea of being on probation and the way it sounds to prospective students is worse than what it actually means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 14 minutes ago, RiseAndGrind said: Is there something wrong with the SSM merger? There's nothing wrong with the SSM merger. It is a great deal for the Med School. However, the article mentioned problems after the merger that were associated with the merger as being some of the issues for which we were put on probation. For instance, I believe it suggested that students were being supervised by SSM doctors that are not school faculty. Apparently, that is a no-no. My point was the those problems arose with Pestello in charge. The great scape goat of many on this board was gone by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: There's nothing wrong with the SSM merger. It is a great deal for the Med School. However, the article mentioned problems after the merger that were associated with the merger as being some of the issues for which we were put on probation. For instance, I believe it suggested that students were being supervised by SSM doctors that are not school faculty. Apparently, that is a no-no. My point was the those problems arose with Pestello in charge. The great scape goat of many on this board was gone by then. Gotcha. Makes sense. That wasn't adversarial, I just wasn't following (i.e. I didn't read closely enough). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 33 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: What college student is going to want to apply to a med school that is currently on probation. This is a huge blow that will affect the quality of students the Med School gets for year cgelodmacher you obviously never got into the rat race of applying to med school in the US. To start with most med schools, including the lowest ranking most maligned ones in this country have in excess of 10-20 or more applicants per sport available. Some kids do not get accepted the first try. Many go to, let's call them less than great medical centers, places like Grenada, Dominican Republic and the like to get their diplomas. Then they have to go through hoops to pass the ECFMG before they are allowed to take their boards anywhere. Getting into a reasonable internship/residency program is a problem for these kids and they may wind up practicing in out of the way places, places where generally no one else wants go go practice at. Then there is a second group of kids that apply to dental, osteopathy (which are perfectly comparable to med schools by the way) or even to homeopathy schools. Some of the ones that cannot or do not want to get into these types of schools go into graduate studies any number of subjects. They get Masters or even PhD's and then retake the exams and try again. Finally a few go into Veterinary medicine, some go into Podiatry and some get into Pharmacy school, always thinking of heading back to med school some day. Graduate programs in the health sciences are chock full of these failed MD applicants trying to get back in course until they settle in Academia somewhere. I disagree with you, the SLU School of Medicine will continue going at full quota, the quality of the students will not be the same as at Harvard or Wash U but these kids will uniformly be bright and happy to have made it into med school in the US, believe me there. Besides probation is not the same as losing accreditation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 27 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: There's nothing wrong with the SSM merger. It is a great deal for the Med School. However, the article mentioned problems after the merger that were associated with the merger as being some of the issues for which we were put on probation. For instance, I believe it suggested that students were being supervised by SSM doctors that are not school faculty. Apparently, that is a no-no. My point was the those problems arose with Pestello in charge. The great scape goat of many on this board was gone by then. It doesn't actually say that. What it says is affiliates of the med school. The writer infers that means SSM. It could mean SLUCare. I don't think there should be any big surprise now that a year and a half ago Pestello formed a committee that fast forwarded the process of replacing the dean of the med school and he replaced the five member panel that was running SLUCare. Most of the results of those changes won't be reflected in this accreditation. Much of the accreditation is based on the 2016 AAMC Graduation Questionnaire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Was Jim Crews dean of the med school too while he was here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Old guy said: cgelodmacher you obviously never got into the rat race of applying to med school in the US. To start with most med schools, including the lowest ranking most maligned ones in this country have in excess of 10-20 or more applicants per sport available. Some kids do not get accepted the first try. Many go to, let's call them less than great medical centers, places like Grenada, Dominican Republic and the like to get their diplomas. Then they have to go through hoops to pass the ECFMG before they are allowed to take their boards anywhere. Getting into a reasonable internship/residency program is a problem for these kids and they may wind up practicing in out of the way places, places where generally no one else wants go go practice at. Then there is a second group of kids that apply to dental, osteopathy (which are perfectly comparable to med schools by the way) or even to homeopathy schools. Some of the ones that cannot or do not want to get into these types of schools go into graduate studies any number of subjects. They get Masters or even PhD's and then retake the exams and try again. Finally a few go into Veterinary medicine, some go into Podiatry and some get into Pharmacy school, always thinking of heading back to med school some day. Graduate programs in the health sciences are chock full of these failed MD applicants trying to get back in course until they settle in Academia somewhere. I disagree with you, the SLU School of Medicine will continue going at full quota, the quality of the students will not be the same as at Harvard or Wash U but these kids will uniformly be bright and happy to have made it into med school in the US, believe me there. Besides probation is not the same as losing accreditation. Wow. I had no idea podiatrists are not actual medical doctors, or that there was such a thing as schools for homeopathy. Always learn something from oldguy posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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