willie Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I have nothing to base it on, but my hypothesis is that if next year is close to as abysmal as this year, our fairy godfather will quietly step in and we'll end up with a Majerus-like hire that none of us saw coming. Larry Brown should be ready for a move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 What type of coach would that be? A young up and comer or an older guy toward the end of his career? RM is very unique and it will be hard to find another one, but I like the idea of a guy who has had proven success at the non-BCS level, moved up and then got fired at the BCS level. Herb Sendek? Anthony Grant? If he gets fired, Rick Barnes? Or is there a young up and comer out there with local connections who is qualified to get a shot? Jamal Walker? Chris Carrawell? For every Brad Stevens, you can name a dozen young guys who haven't done anything after getting their first HC job. I want a Lou Henson/Norm Stewart co-coaching swan-song season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 The thing I don't get is how saying that Porter might be able to coach a little bit is the equivalent of saying he should be coaching SLU. When Porter was here I didn't think he should be the next coach. I still don't. That doesn't mean he is a bad coach. I don't think Porter or Crews are awful coaches. I do think SLU should have a better coach than either of them. None of these threads occur in a vaccum. If I start a thread complimenting the looks of a girl I used to know in high school when everybody knows how unhappy I am with my current girlfriend, especially now that she's gained 20 lbs in the last 6 months, there's a context there. Most folks will assume that you're thinking about getting with that other girl. If you want people to accept that your intent was simply to compliment a retread coach and to disregard the pattern of your recent posts, that's just not realistic. Pattern recognition and jumping to conclusions is how human beings are hardwired. Especially on message boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 None of these threads occur in a vaccum. If I start a thread complimenting the looks of a girl I used to know in high school when everybody knows I'm unhappy I am with my current girlfriend, especially now that she's gained 20 lbs in the last 6 months, there's a context there. Most folks will assume will you're thinking about getting with that other girl. If you want people to accept that your intent was simply to compliment a retread coach and to disregard the pattern of your recent posts, that's just not realistic. Pattern recognition and jumping to conclusions is how human beings are hardwired. Especially on message boards. I was never a backer of Porter for the job. Stated it on here before multiple times. I questioned his ability as a coach multiple times on this board. Many others have done the same. People could have recognized that pattern and saw the post for what it actually was. It was a recognition of a job well done by a coach that spent four seasons recently here in town and that maybe we should think slightly differently of him now. I never have been shy about flat out saying I would want someone considered for the job. If I thought Porter should be considered for the job at any point I would say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 None of these threads occur in a vaccum. If I start a thread complimenting the looks of a girl I used to know in high school when everybody knows I'm unhappy I am with my current girlfriend, especially now that she's gained 20 lbs in the last 6 months, there's a context there. Most folks will assume will you're thinking about getting with that other girl. Pattern recognition and jumping to conclusions is how human beings are hardwired. Agree sir. There are no real prophets and no prophecies in this board. That said, I believe Crews' fate will be determined by his own actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Good job and kudos to Porter Moser. I am impressed with the job he is doing at Loyola Chicago, which had not been in a post-season tournament since 1985. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Just because Moser was not and should not have been considered for the HCing job 3 years ago doesn't mean he couldn't in the future. Also just because Moser wasn't ready to take over a program the caliber of SLU 3 years doesn't mean he won't be in the future. Depsite not being ready to be the coach before if he can put Loyola into the NCAAs in the next couple years I think he becomes a top candidate. Loyola as a program was destitute. He's turned it around fairly quickly.If he continues it will be quite an accomplishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 MB never fails to entertain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 MB never fails to entertain. So I guess you are on board with brian finding ways to trash our fine coach all day and all night, every day, and stating that the 2010 freshmen were more accomplished than our current equally talented freshman. Good for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David King Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Ah, prophets and prophecies. The problem with these is that historical prophets were never listened to, only charlatans were, and if you are to believe the bible many prophets had to suffer persecution and violent death. Their prophecies only came to be accepted much later or, or if they did not work as they had predicted the prophet was promptly forgotten and his/her end justified. Sorry 3 star, prophecies do not work and prophets who are not stoned (in a biblical sense, a number of the current crop may indeed be stoned sometimes) or otherwise meet a bad end are not really prophets. The current, modern day prophets, the ones that spin a never ending yarn of disaster and catastrophe or fairy tales with happy endings are the media talking heads or the politicians. Their prophecies never work as they intended or they predicted, but that is OK. In this day and age everything, including yarns and prophecies, can be changed, they just spin their tale and look good no matter what. So, you are saying that Crews should be fired immediately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 So, you are saying that Crews should be fired immediately? I think the extent of David King's vocabulary is "Jim" "Crews" and "Fired.".....and "Hillary" "Clinton" "President"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 The narrative of Crews being a washed up clueless old man who got lucky is very powerful. 11-21 was like the fulfillment of holy prophecy. In our epic tale Porter plays the part of the savior hidden right in our midst. His losing record as a coach can be rationalized away. It's this year, his best, not those either 10, that reflects the real Porter. And if he falters after his upperclassmen graduate, well, another savior will come along. I'm not convinced that a .500 conference record will change the Crews narrative one iota. The next chapter will be NCAA in 2017 or fire the coach. 11-21 was the fullfillment of prophecy. It will not be soon forgotten or forgiven. This is hilarious because um, is it not Crews' two decades of obliviousness and a losing coaching record which preceded his SLU stint? It's those 2 years with our upperclassmen, not the previous 20, that reflect who the real Crews is now? Well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For-DaLove Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 This is hilarious because um, is it not Crews' two decades of obliviousness and a losing coaching record which preceded his SLU stint? It's those 2 years with our upperclassmen, not the previous 20, that reflect who the real Crews is now? Well doneHis time at Army was nothing short of a disaster but he did take Evansville to the tournament 4 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I will never understand our fanbase's acquiescence to mediocrity. Nice, likeable, respectable, morally sound, engaging individuals can, in fact, be mediocre at coaching. We fired Soderberg after a 20 win season (his best) because, as a program and school, we decided mediocrity wasn't acceptable anymore. In my opinion, the jury is still out with Crews...but his track record isn't too encouraging. The question is, would Moser, or any potential coach for that matter, be someone who could lead us out of mediocrity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 His time at Army was nothing short of a disaster but he did take Evansville to the tournament 4 times. Understand he did a decent job there, but those dance trips were in '89, '92, '93, and '99. Won his first game in '89 and dropped the next four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I will never understand our fanbase's acquiescence to mediocrity. Nice, likeable, respectable, morally sound, engaging individuals can, in fact, be mediocre at coaching. We fired Soderberg after a 20 win season (his best) because, as a program and school, we decided mediocrity wasn't acceptable anymore. In my opinion, the jury is still out with Crews...but his track record isn't too encouraging. The question is, would Moser, or any potential coach for that matter, be someone who could lead us out of mediocrity? Donations were lagging to complete the Chaifetz. They needed the support of some big-money donors, they did not want throw money at a mediocre program. If we had the money for the Arena or the SLU was not building the Arena, Bondie would have kept Sodie. He came cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 So, you are saying that Crews should be fired immediately? No David King I am not saying any such a thing. I am saying that Crews holds his fate in his very own hands. He will remain our Head Coach or perhaps he will not depending on how well he manages to heal the team and lead it to an improved performance next season. I am supporting 3 star when he talks about the pretty yarns we are making in this thread about Porter as a messiah or sorts to come and save our team. This is good fiction, nothing else. Reality is that Crews will deal with next season the best way he can and will have to face consequences if we do not show a satisfactory level of improvement. What the consequences may be if he has another very bad season are up to the AD to decide. I hope this is clear now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Donations were lagging to complete the Chaifetz. They needed the support of some big-money donors, they did not want throw money at a mediocre program. If we had the money for the Arena or the SLU was not building the Arena, Bondie would have kept Sodie. He came cheap. Right. And we built Chaifetz and hired RM to elevate the status of the program, and ultimately the University. Brad Soderberg, apparently wasn't consistent with that vision. Is Jim Crews? Is Porter Moser? I don't know the answers, but my gut reaction would be No. Time will tell with Crews, and I hope my gut instinct is wrong because I really like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Again, people of Earth (yawn): Lost 5 starters 6th youngest team in D-1, depending on your metrics 6 BIGS: 3 freshmen + 2 sophs with very little playing time + 1 sr role player with nagging injuries (BIGS = the key, we had no experienced BIGS!); we got no production on offense from our 5's, which then puts further pressure on our guards 1 junior transfer hadn't played the previous year and the other junior apparently was in the doghouse and / or at odds with some teammates so, no upper class leadership for 6 freshmen & 3 sophs no consistent PG emerged from several potential candidates players did not show consistency so no 8-9 man rotation could be established there apparently was some locker room strife, our team folded the last 5 games There is reason for concern. Those who panic and then sling mud, show some class for a change and let's see how it goes next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Again, people of Earth (yawn): Lost 5 starters 6th youngest team in D-1, depending on your metrics 6 BIGS: 3 freshmen + 2 sophs with very little playing time + 1 sr role player with nagging injuries (BIGS = the key, we had no experienced BIGS!); we got no production on offense from our 5's, which then puts further pressure on our guards 1 junior transfer hadn't played the previous year and the other junior apparently was in the doghouse and / or at odds with some teammates so, no upper class leadership for 6 freshmen & 3 sophs no consistent PG emerged from several potential candidates players did not show consistency so no 8-9 man rotation could be established there apparently was some locker room strife, our team folded the last 5 games There is reason for concern. Those who panic and then sling mud, show some class for a change and let's see how it goes next year. Right, we understand that this year was inevitably going to be bad. Really bad. But I think the question everyone is asking is this: is Crews the coach that can build us up to a level comparable to VCU, Gonzaga, Wichita St, Butler? Other mid major programs that have achieved national recognition. There's no reason for us to not strive for something similar, and I truly don't believe Crews would ever be able to build SLU up to that. He was a good coach at Evansville, but not anything spectacular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Right, we understand that this year was inevitably going to be bad. Really bad. But I think the question everyone is asking is this: is Crews the coach that can build us up to a level comparable to VCU, Gonzaga, Wichita St, Butler? Other mid major programs that have achieved national recognition. There's no reason for us to not strive for something similar, and I truly don't believe Crews would ever be able to build SLU up to that. He was a good coach at Evansville, but not anything spectacular. Yes a small % have. The other 95+% have not. What makes you think a primo coach will come here? Majerus was a total out-of-nowhere fluke, a gift. Spoon was luck on our part, too. Crews is solid, will he take us to Butler-Gonzaga levels? Odds are against it, kid. Who the hell do you think is out there to come to an A-10 team that will take us to those levels? Some established big time coach? A sure shot golden boy assistant at FLA or Duke or NC or Kansas? Tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Right, we understand that this year was inevitably going to be bad. Really bad. But I think the question everyone is asking is this: is Crews the coach that can build us up to a level comparable to VCU, Gonzaga, Wichita St, Butler? Other mid major programs that have achieved national recognition. There's no reason for us to not strive for something similar, and I truly don't believe Crews would ever be able to build SLU up to that. He was a good coach at Evansville, but not anything spectacular. Sure there's a reason. Competition. There's about 60-70 well-financed mid major programs trying to do the same thing. It takes a combination of skill, hard work and a large dose of luck to get there. And you have to prove it over a long period of time. Mark Few and Shaka Smart didn't come out of nowhere to lead their programs to the promised land. Each coach that came before them moved the program a little closer to the national recognition you desire. If Crews can right the ship and make the Dance twice in the next 4 years, he will have more than done his part. He's a couple of players away from making that happen. If the staff can continue to recruit at the level that brought us this freshmen class, we'll get those two players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BACKHANDtheRICAN Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 I just saw the headlines....are we getting Porter back???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Yes a small % have. The other 95+% have not. What makes you think a primo coach will come here? Majerus was a total out-of-nowhere fluke, a gift. Spoon was luck on our part, too. Crews is solid, will he take us to Butler-Gonzaga levels? Odds are against it, kid. Who the hell do you think is out there to come to an A-10 team that will take us to those levels? Some established big time coach? A sure shot golden boy assistant at FLA or Duke or NC or Kansas? Tell me. Spoon was not luck on our part. We were a major step up from MO State in that we had just come back from extinction (after Grawer saved our program) and got us into the Great Midwest Conference. Once in the Great Midwest, Charlie saw huge potential and opportunity to play some of the best teams in the country (Cincy, Memphis State, etc.) while moving up from Springfield MO to St. Louis MO and further getting to be in the same town with the baseball Cardinals. Yes, we were fortunate to land Charlie; however, another quality coach would have seen the same things Charlie did had he turned us down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Understand he did a decent job there, but those dance trips were in '89, '92, '93, and '99. Won his first game in '89 and dropped the next four. And Evansville has not appeared in either the NIT or NCAAs since Crews left. Has anyone on this board ever stepped foot on the Evansville campus...they have one of the lowest enrollments in D1 and the place looks like a high school. High schools in STL have nicer athletic facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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