kshoe Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I am going to express a dissenting opinion about Cam. He sounds, to me at least, as a person that wants what he wants and is willing to walk if he does not get it. That is a big problem. I think coaches have to think carefully about what they are getting if they get Cam. A coach's job is to shape and direct his team, to mold the talent he has recruited into a team that expresses his ideas about play and team work. I think this might be a difficult thing to do while trying to keep Cam from bolting. In other words are you going to run a team or are you going to be doing what Cam thinks is best for himself, can you reach a mutually happy medium with Cam? Most certainly Brey could not. Food for thought, how far are you, the coach, willing to go for the sake of having Cam playing for you? Of course (strictly by what I have heard about him in this board) Haith has his own way of doing things, and he may think there is a perfect connection between his style and Cam's, who knows. However, I think Crews is a very different kind of guy and I could see some degree of incompatibility between his way of doing things and Cam's. I think Cam has a tough decision to make, one that may indeed force him to accept more restrictions and less play time than he desires if he wants to come to SLU. Time will tell. Just about any transfer can be viewed as "willing to walk if they don't get what they want." Doesn't mean transfers can't make sense from time to time. Particularly when they are as talented as CB or Ash before him. The nice thing about transfers is that once you have them, they no longer have as easy an option to walk and still retain their full eligibility. Very few players transfer twice. The balance of power shifts to the coaching staff once a transfer occurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 The nice thing about transfers is that once you have them, they no longer have as easy an option to walk and still retain their full eligibility. Very few players transfer twice. The balance of power shifts to the coaching staff once a transfer occurs. Yes, and that is why the decision of where to transfer to will be very difficult for Cam. This is mostly a one shot deal as you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 If CB is truly looking for a for sure starting role (since that is why he left ND), then is mizzou really the best place for him? Yeah, Haith can promise him this and that, but they already have a redshirt 4 star small forward who will be starting next year. So if he ends up at mizzou, does that mean that CB will just automatically take that guy's position once he is eligible? What if the other guy turns out to be pretty good? Then Haith will obviously no choice but to keep CB on the bench. If he comes to slu, he is guaranteed a starting role. Simple as that. Duce Bello can play SG next to Cam when he gets eligible, that's not an issue. Now if former 4 star SG Torian Graham from Chipola CC commits, then you could argue a possible playing time issue for Cam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Duce Bello can play SG next to Cam when he gets eligible, that's not an issue. Now if former 4 star SG Torian Graham from Chipola CC commits, then you could argue a possible playing time issue for Cam You seem to find a lot of joy in telling us how Mizzou would be a good fit for Cam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Lol at anyone trying to say Mizzou would offer a better situation for Cam to come in and dominate. It's just not true. Now if you wanna talk conference (also not exactly true), national perception, and snake oil Haith making it seem Mizzou is better then I would agree that an argument could be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Frank Cusumano said that it looks like Beidscheid is going to Mizzou and that it comes from a tremendous source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Cameron Biedscheid is waiting for admissions to admit him before he commits. Looking like Mizzou for Cam. #MIZZOUtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Dammit that hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I know it's been reported that SLU had interest in Cam, but I wonder how serious it ever was. Or maybe Cam didn't have super high interest in SLU. Until someone reports that Cam did indeed visit SLU, then I have a hard time believing that SLU wanted Cam or that Cam wanted to come to SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I know it's been reported that SLU had interest in Cam, but I wonder how serious it ever was. Or maybe Cam didn't have super high interest in SLU. Until someone reports that Cam did indeed visit SLU, then I have a hard time believing that SLU wanted Cam or that Cam wanted to come to SLU. SLU wanted him very badly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 SLU wanted him very badly The fact he is awaiting admissions results (and other things I've heard) indicate to me the academics thing wasn't just a cover by Brey. Obviously I wanted him badly at slu but I guess it didn't work out. Perhaps for the best. Good luck Cam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 SLU wanted him very badly But they didn't bring him in for a visit? Or our writers just never reported it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 But they didn't bring him in for a visit? Or our writers just never reported it? You cant force a kid to visit the school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I know it's been reported that SLU had interest in Cam, but I wonder how serious it ever was. Or maybe Cam didn't have super high interest in SLU. Until someone reports that Cam did indeed visit SLU, then I have a hard time believing that SLU wanted Cam or that Cam wanted to come to SLU. There is no doubt that SLU really, really wanted him. And with good reason. Haith has proven to be a very, very good salesman. There is no denying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 If Stephan Darn Jankovic hadn't skedaddled while Haith was on suspension, Mizzou wouldn't have had a schollie available for Biedscheid. Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 You cant force a kid to visit the school There is no doubt that SLU really, really wanted him. And with good reason. Haith has proven to be a very, very good salesman. There is no denying that. Then Cam didn't have any interest in SLU I guess. That surprises me. I really don't think that SLU made as much as an effort as everyone thinks. I have nothing to back that up. But I'm not sure anyone who thinks SLU made a strong effort has anything to back that up either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 What is the source for SLU really wanted him. Unless everything is super secretive what did thye do to let him know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Then Cam didn't have any interest in SLU I guess. That surprises me. I really don't think that SLU made as much as an effort as everyone thinks. I have nothing to back that up. But I'm not sure anyone who thinks SLU made a strong effort has anything to back that up either. That isn't true. It's also possible that Cam had definite interest in SLU, but was sold when he visited Mizzou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_davola Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 NM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 That isn't true. It's also possible that Cam had definite interest in SLU, but was sold when he visited Mizzou. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 The moment Mizzou freed up a schollie and Cam said he had interest, we all knew it would be a battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Well this sucks. I'd be more concerned with this coaching staff if somebody proved we really didn't want him that much. He would have filled so many holes for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I wouldn't insult the staff by saying they wouldn't be interested in a 6'7 former top 30 recruit that was a hometown kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 If he was sold after the visit to Mizzou and had interest in us and we "really" wanted him then why didn't we bring him in for a visit right away? He was released from his scholarship before Christmas and visited Mizzou last Friday. The only "source" throughout this is Ben W. And it's clear to me that his source is not a SLU person because he knew about this in the summer and he said that SLU was not aware at the time. So if you ask me, the source was trying to play up interest in Cam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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