brianstl Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 No one should be quoting The Offspring. Terrible band. I don't know about terrible. They put on a great live show back in the day. Their shows were electrifying. They were never known for their deep lyrics or great song writing. Grunky, find the metaphor above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Should be an interesting court ordered psych eval......... I had to shut down my PM's after the last board exchange I had with Metz. I know he's not dangerous but there is zero sense of humor about this stuff these days. This board is really my only public media presence. Not on twitter. No facebook. Carry a very dumb flip-phone. You can't lose if you don't play......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 That is where you are wrong Billiken rich. As long as you are posting anywhere, your posts can be quoted, sometimes incorrectly, elsewhere. You just never know what happens with a post after it is posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 That is where you are wrong Billiken rich. As long as you are posting anywhere, your posts can be quoted, sometimes incorrectly, elsewhere. You just never know what happens with a post after it is posted. True. But in the grand scheme of things Billiken Board is most unlikely to involve things that will get you into trouble. We generally leave politics, spouses, and work out of it. We may call Carbondale "Methdale" but that really only precludes us from running for mayor of methdale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 We may call Carbondale "Methdale" but that really only precludes us from running for mayor of methdale. On the contrary, I think it might very well get you elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 For the record, I am not defending Metz in the least bit. I don't care if he is indeed harmless (and I've met him in Columbus) given today's 24/7 media cycle/everything is on facebook/open game, you just can't do what was done. Intent is not readily evident in the typed word. Plus, as a quasi-electronic media professional, that is just plain dumbass. I think he'll be acquitted but there will be a very valuable lesson learned, I guess. roy and I used to have discussions on cyberbullying and now we have politicians trying to pass cyberbullying laws and laws against posting quasi-porn wihtout consent (YouBeenPosted.com here in Maryland). Yeah, a law will surely stop it. Liek I tell my kids .... take a picture and it lives as long as the phone does. Post it on the net and it lives forever. You're a grown man doing the slutty hooker costume at Halloween? Go ahead post it -- what can it hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For-DaLove Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 This strikes me the same as it does Taj. It is a completely innane situation. I would consider Bobby a friend albeit I have not seen him since the SLU days. He is extremely opinionated and can be inflammatory/passionate in his tweets and social media, but to feel strongly enough to arrest someone based on this is unsettling to me. The fact that people are calling Metz a potential terrorist has to be the worst part of all of this for him. I have talked to him about his outbursts on billikens.com and he has said to me (back in 2007) that he does it just to get a reaction out of people on this board. The STL police captured a terrorist....yea...ok. Give me a break. #FreeMetz What did you expect him to say when you questioned his idiotic behavior? "I'm a nut job and I know it"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo027 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 The song is about road rage. Dexter Holland wrote it after getting flipped off on the highway. It was written to release anger. There is no deeper meaning. Also, the word you actually should have used is allegory and not metaphor. Happy Halloween, loser. The ignore list is a great feature. You should use it. The lessons are: 1) You cannot talk about committing a mass shooting or terrorist attack, even as a obvious "joke," especially with the NSA listening to every phone call and reading every text/tweet/forum post/Facebook message 2) You cannot post or tweet whatever hateful, bigoted, or threatening garbage you want online without repercussions in your real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliKat Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 When I first came around, everyone thought I was one of his alt names.... I still don't understand that...at all. And thanks westy for clarifying. I've talked to him plenty of times and never had the feeling he was at all threatening, but I never saw the early stuff from him. Sad cuz it seemed he had grown from the person who used to cause so much trouble. Hope he gains perspective from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 The ignore list is a great feature. You should use it. The lessons are: 1) You cannot talk about committing a mass shooting or terrorist attack, even as a obvious "joke," especially with the NSA listening to every phone call and reading every text/tweet/forum post/Facebook message 2) You cannot post or tweet whatever hateful, bigoted, or threatening garbage you want online without repercussions in your real life. 3) When you make enemies, they will you later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Nick Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 What did you expect him to say when you questioned his idiotic behavior? "I'm a nut job and I know it"? Good point. I just consider myself a good judge of character and trusted what he told me. If he is nut job and dangerous....when then I will admit I was wrong about him. I guess it just goes along with what BilliKitty is saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 The ignore list is a great feature. You should use it. The lessons are:1) You cannot talk about committing a mass shooting or terrorist attack, even as a obvious "joke," especially with the NSA listening to every phone call and reading every text/tweet/forum post/Facebook message2) You cannot post or tweet whatever hateful, bigoted, or threatening garbage you want online without repercussions in your real life. I would never hire Metz or associate with him. He didn't threaten to commit a terrorist attack. He was an a hole. He deserved to lose his his job. I question anyone that would hire him in the first place when his history of saying bigoted, hurtful , and threatening things online was easily accessible to anyone before this happened willing to spend 10 minutes on Google. All that said, this time he was just an a hole. Being an a hole isn't a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRN Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Wow, what a fool for posting that crap. It's pretty much common sense not to make threats online, however minor they are perceived to be. This falls into the same category as not shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre or saying the words "bomb or gun" at the airport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I have the impression that terrorists are generally not people know for being loose cannons in their communities. In fact at least some of these people are honest law abiding people, that is until they commit their act of terrorism. I believe this is one of the many problems law enforcement and anti terrorism organizations have in doing their jobs, these people are not easy to identify BEFORE they do their deed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbizzle09 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I would never hire Metz or associate with him. He didn't threaten to commit a terrorist attack. He was an a hole. He deserved to lose his his job. I question anyone that would hire him in the first place when his history of saying bigoted, hurtful , and threatening things online was easily accessible to anyone before this happened willing to spend 10 minutes on Google. All that said, this time he was just an a hole. Being an a hole isn't a crime. Let me ask you this, though. Say you had an employee that you had to fire for saying highly offensive things while representing your company. Then you see that he has a history of being somewhat unhinged and likes to say very inflammatory things. He also seems to be very much into guns. Then, a few days later, said ex-employee tweets out a cryptic reference about something going down very soon like a song, which references shooting people. That ex-employee also happens to live within walking distance to your office. Do you think you'd just take it in stride and chalk it up to someone just being an a-hole? Or would you be somewhat worried? Perhaps you would feel perfectly at ease that this person is generally harmless and just continuing to be stupid on social media. However, I think when you look at it from this angle, you can see why someone would feel threatened and why there is a legitimate case for him being arrested and charged with a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Let me ask you this, though. Say you had an employee that you had to fire for saying highly offensive things while representing your company. Then you see that he has a history of being somewhat unhinged and likes to say very inflammatory things. He also seems to be very much into guns. Then, a few days later, said ex-employee tweets out a cryptic reference about something going down very soon like a song, which references shooting people. That ex-employee also happens to live within walking distance to your office. Do you think you'd just take it in stride and chalk it up to someone just being an a-hole? Or would you be somewhat worried? Perhaps you would feel perfectly at ease that this person is generally harmless and just continuing to be stupid on social media. However, I think when you look at it from this angle, you can see why someone would feel threatened and why there is a legitimate case for him being arrested and charged with a crime. +1 Considering there have been numerous examples of workplace violence, it sounds like the appropriate actions were taken by law enforcement. Hopefully this will be a good wake up call for Metz. He will likely have a difficult time finding a decent job after this episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I would never hire Metz or associate with him. He didn't threaten to commit a terrorist attack. He was an a hole. He deserved to lose his his job. I question anyone that would hire him in the first place when his history of saying bigoted, hurtful , and threatening things online was easily accessible to anyone before this happened willing to spend 10 minutes on Google. All that said, this time he was just an a hole. Being an a hole isn't a crime. Except that it absolutely can be a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Let me ask you this, though. Say you had an employee that you had to fire for saying highly offensive things while representing your company. Then you see that he has a history of being somewhat unhinged and likes to say very inflammatory things. He also seems to be very much into guns. Then, a few days later, said ex-employee tweets out a cryptic reference about something going down very soon like a song, which references shooting people. That ex-employee also happens to live within walking distance to your office. Do you think you'd just take it in stride and chalk it up to someone just being an a-hole? Or would you be somewhat worried? Perhaps you would feel perfectly at ease that this person is generally harmless and just continuing to be stupid on social media. However, I think when you look at it from this angle, you can see why someone would feel threatened and why there is a legitimate case for him being arrested and charged with a crime. I have no problem with 360 calling the cops on him. I have no problem with the cops talking to him. I would have no problem with 360 getting a restraining order against him. He just didn't commit a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Except that it absolutely can be a crime. Just being an a hole isn't a crime. , we couldn't build prisons fast enough if it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Just being an a hole isn't a crime. ######, we couldn't build prisons fast enough if it was. JUST being an a hole is not a crime. Unfortunately, for Metz, he was much more than just an a hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Brianstl you should check the criminal code of your State or jurisdiction to find out what is considered a crime (a violation of the criminal code) where you live. Let me say to you that without any doubt you will be surprised as to what can be deemed to be a crime where you live. You have to keep in mind that there are ranges of crimes and crime levels. A misdemeanor in MO can be as minor as acting threatening in some way to someone and causing this person to be afraid, or even uncomfortable. This is not a major crime, it is the lowest level of criminality in the code, but it gives actionable cause to claim injury in front of a criminal court and cause penalties to be imposed on the perpetrator (usually a fee at this level, on the judgement of the judge). This is a colossal waste of money and time but the Missouri code states this is an actionable cause. So, if you are playing golf and the guys behind you drive a ball close to your cart, but do not hit you, you can open a criminal case against the impatient guy who hit the ball. You will not do it because the whole issue is just not worth it, but someone could just possibly do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbizzle09 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I have no problem with 360 calling the cops on him. I have no problem with the cops talking to him. I would have no problem with 360 getting a restraining order against him. He just didn't commit a crime. Unequivocally, you cannot say that. That is for a judge and possibly a jury to decide. Right now, he's been arrested and charged with committing a crime. He has yet to be convicted of a crime. I'd say if there is this much debate among educated people on this message board whether or not he actually committed a crime, it is probably best that he was arrested and charged with that crime and has to have his fate decided in a court of law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Bizzle's not a lawyer, but he did stay at a Knight's Inn last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 on the bright side he can definitely fire back up that @unemployedinPR twitter handle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Does the PR stand for prison? And I still don't understand how this was a threat to blow up Busch Stadium? I can see where its a cryptic "I'm going into that office to shoot everyone" threat, but definitely not to blow up a stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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