kshoe Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 14 minutes ago, MUTGR said: Over under on Martin winning more games his first year than Ford did his first year at SLU? At least Martin had a plus .500 conference record at his two P5 stops, unlike Ford at OSU. Despite that, I think Ford is a good coach and wish him well as he seems like a good guy. Apples and oranges. If Ford had taken over SLU and found Jayson Tatum under the Christmas tree then you could compare. I will repeat my thoughts from above: Porter going to MU had almost nothing to do with Cuonzo. Cuonzo did not "recruit" him. He was a gift from the women's basketball team and Porter's mom's desire to have the family together. i do think it will be real interesting to see which program has more wins next year. That would be an interesting bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, kshoe said: Apples and oranges. If Ford had taken over SLU and found Jayson Tatum under the Christmas tree then you could compare. I will repeat my thoughts from above: Porter going to MU had almost nothing to do with Cuonzo. Cuonzo did not "recruit" him. He was a gift from the women's basketball team and Porter's mom's desire to have the family together. i do think it will be real interesting to see which program has more wins next year. That would be an interesting bet. I hope Cuonzo is gifted some more talent, because Porter needs a lot of help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbj14 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Just as kind of a rational contribution on a couple fronts here, I'd like to say a few things. As someone from outside of Missouri and a younger SLU fan, I don't have a hatred of Mizzou since it is outside of my line of vision prior to coming to SLU. My stance on Mizzou is one of indifference, I just wish for SLU to be the best team in the state. This qualifier out of the way, let's get to a couple points. Martin to Mizzou is undoubtedly a good hire. The concern with him is complicated from my eyes. His stops at recent school have been brief, and a little underwhelming for the talent he brings in. Yet, what Mizzou needs is an infusion of talents after the mess of the KA era. Bringing talent in is what he does best, it is just a question of how long he sticks around. He seems to always have his eyes on the horizon. Second, Porter to Mizzou is obviously a huge recruiting success, but a rational person can see the one time nature of this event. Contrary to what Jr. has said about not letting his dad decide his fate, this was tied very closely to his father also going back to CoMo. Porter alone does not bring Mizzou to the top of the SEC. Porter alone also does not really move the needle on 2018 guys since in all likelihood he isn't there to play with them. His commitment is a huge deal, but they need talent around him before Tiger fans can talk about a tournament, as some media have been doing. I fully expect Martin to recruit well at Mizzou, similar to what Travis has done here. Long term, I'm still going to say the Bills have a brighter future, as there is an extra year of data to work with regarding Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 You guys know that I know little about basketball coaching, but if Porter needs a lot of help to integrate into a team, and he has the idea of being a superhero of some kind, this might not work very well for Mizzou after all. Martin may have his hands full with Porter and everything else floating loose at Mizzou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 28 minutes ago, MUTGR said: I hope Cuonzo is gifted some more talent, because Porter needs a lot of help. Depending on how good the brothers are, the porters may be the gift that keeps on giving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, Old guy said: You guys know that I know little about basketball coaching, but if Porter needs a lot of help to integrate into a team, and he has the idea of being a superhero of some kind, this might not work very well for Mizzou after all. Martin may have his hands full with Porter and everything else floating loose at Mizzou. You're obviously a glass half empty kinda guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, johnbj14 said: Just as kind of a rational contribution on a couple fronts here, I'd like to say a few things. As someone from outside of Missouri and a younger SLU fan, I don't have a hatred of Mizzou since it is outside of my line of vision prior to coming to SLU. My stance on Mizzou is one of indifference, I just wish for SLU to be the best team in the state. This qualifier out of the way, let's get to a couple points. Martin to Mizzou is undoubtedly a good hire. The concern with him is complicated from my eyes. His stops at recent school have been brief, and a little underwhelming for the talent he brings in. Yet, what Mizzou needs is an infusion of talents after the mess of the KA era. Bringing talent in is what he does best, it is just a question of how long he sticks around. He seems to always have his eyes on the horizon. Second, Porter to Mizzou is obviously a huge recruiting success, but a rational person can see the one time nature of this event. Contrary to what Jr. has said about not letting his dad decide his fate, this was tied very closely to his father also going back to CoMo. Porter alone does not bring Mizzou to the top of the SEC. Porter alone also does not really move the needle on 2018 guys since in all likelihood he isn't there to play with them. His commitment is a huge deal, but they need talent around him before Tiger fans can talk about a tournament, as some media have been doing. I fully expect Martin to recruit well at Mizzou, similar to what Travis has done here. Long term, I'm still going to say the Bills have a brighter future, as there is an extra year of data to work with regarding Ford. I can't disagree with anything except your last sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukeebill Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 43 minutes ago, kshoe said: Depending on how good the brothers are, the porters may be the gift that keeps on giving. How many porters are there? Is his younger brother still thinking of graduating early and playing with mp jr.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 23 hours ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: For those of you saying they paid the family money to get him, you know nothing about the family. Family lived in Columbia their whole lives before they moved to Seattle last year, MP sr was the assistant coach for 6 years on the women's team, and his 2 sister sister play for Mizzou. Connect the dots I don't believe they lived in a Columbia their whole lives. 6Thought I read they moved there recently when Daddy became assistant on the women's program. Io 17 minutes ago, milwaukeebill said: How many porters are there? Is his younger brother still thinking of graduating early and playing with mp jr.? I believe there are a couple of younger ones besides the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Obviously getting the #1 recruit in his class outweighs this, but do you really want to try to start rebuilding with a daddy is the coach kind of culture? I doubt Mizzou has enough to make the tournament this year even with Porter, but that could turn really toxic with the non Porter players. It's like taking a shortcut to the NIT at best. And hopefully it sets Mizzou back a bit on their potential rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, MUTGR said: I can't disagree with anything except your last sentence. Did you draw the swastikas in the toilet stalls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise_08 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 What is the status on UMC academic fraud violation? I haven't been following too close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 32 minutes ago, Franchise_08 said: What is the status on UMC academic fraud violation? I haven't been following too close. I don't know. Has your medical school been accredited yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Soderball said: Did you draw the swastikas in the toilet stalls? No. And apparently no one else did either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, JMM28 said: Obviously getting the #1 recruit in his class outweighs this, but do you really want to try to start rebuilding with a daddy is the coach kind of culture? I doubt Mizzou has enough to make the tournament this year even with Porter, but that could turn really toxic with the non Porter players. It's like taking a shortcut to the NIT at best. And hopefully it sets Mizzou back a bit on their potential rebuild. I'm not predicting NCAA tournament. I was pleased with the hire before the Porter rumors started. Oh, and Illinois wanted Martin too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, willie said: I don't believe they lived in a Columbia their whole lives. 6Thought I read they moved there recently when Daddy became assistant on the women's program. Io I believe there are a couple of younger ones besides the two. They didn't live in Columbia their whole lives, but according to Jon Sundvold, they loved it there, were very plugged into a Christian Church there, it was home to them. They are not Catholic but Christian, home schooled, boys played for the Catholic High School there, Father Tolton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Or you trying convince us or yourself the Tigers hired the right coach? Feels like you are trying to convince yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, MUTGR said: They didn't but according to Jon Sundvold, they loved it there, were very plugged into a Church there, it was home to them. What is that church's opinion on getting your son's godfather fired? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, MUTGR said: They didn't live in Columbia their whole lives, but according to Jon Sundvold, they loved it there, were very plugged into a Christian Church there, it was home to them. They are not Catholic but Christian, home schooled, boys played for the Catholic High School there, Father Tolton. 9 minutes ago, brianstl said: What is that church's opinion on getting your son's godfather fired? No honor amongst thieves over there at SPUMAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise_08 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Wouldn't it be such a UMC move to buy the #1 recruit and then be placed on probation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 36 minutes ago, brianstl said: What is that church's opinion on getting your son's godfather fired? Don't know. I'm Catholic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 29 minutes ago, Soderball said: No honor amongst thieves over there at SPUMAC. I'm not sure that's what happened. In fact, I think it had more to do with 6 years of no NCAA appearances. Oh, and by the way, I have the utmost respect for Romar. Both as a coach and a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 9 minutes ago, Franchise_08 said: Wouldn't it be such a UMC move to buy the #1 recruit and then be placed on probation? Keeping in the highest traditions of the institution. Quin Snyder would be proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 10 minutes ago, Franchise_08 said: Wouldn't it be such a UMC move to buy the #1 recruit and then be placed on probation? Romar bought him too then, agreed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 43 minutes ago, brianstl said: Or you trying convince us or yourself the Tigers hired the right coach? Feels like you are trying to convince yourself. Neither. Illinois had him targeted too. They offered him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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