Coaching movement that might affect SLU

[ARon]

Doesn't Butler, like VCU, run or participate in coaching institutes that help them identify talent early and bring them in as assistants?

 

 

[cheeseman]

2 minutes ago, ARon said:

Doesn't Butler, like VCU, run or participate in coaching institutes that help them identify talent early and bring them in as assistants?

 

 

Are you suggesting that others don't know of such a thing?  If they do this then why are always hiring coaches who have been there or alums?

[ARon]

3 hours ago, cheeseman said:

Are you suggesting that others don't know of such a thing?  If they do this then why are always hiring coaches who have been there or alums?

Knowing of such a thing is meaningless if you don't care enough to participate yourself.

We should be asking why are these programs able to hire good coaches that maintain the level of success.  While so many others (ok, most others including SLU) tend to fail and find themselves starting at square one after a taste of success.

Especially outside of the BCS conferences, I'd argue that is that is one of the key difference between a program and a school that manages to have a single good coach or occational good team.

[cheeseman]

My point is is if it was easy to participate in this kind of institutes and then you get the best coaches then why don't all of the schools do this.  I think this idea that participation in this kind of an institute is the only reason a school gets good coaches is a bit simplistic.  The schools mentioned tend to hire alums or those who were AC at the school before - not sure how much the institute helps in that regard.  Also, it takes a savvy AD which not all schools have.

[3star_recruit]

Aron,

Look at the background of Butler's athletic director and it becomes apparent why he's so connected to the basketball coaching fraternity. VCU had an athletic director in Richard Sander whose 20 year tenure created a culture of excellence at VCU.  SLU has never had strong leadership in the athletic department.

[Clock_Tower]

On 6/13/2017 at 6:43 PM, 3star_recruit said:

SLU has never had strong leadership in the athletic department.

Not true. SLU has had strong leadership (Debbie Yow) and yet Fr Biondi drove her out. I also believe Cheryl Levick would have provided strong leadership had she also not been undercut and pushed out far too soon. No, we have had a micro-managing President who didn't truly support athletics. 

[billikenfan05]

5 minutes ago, Clock_Tower said:

Not true. SLU has had strong leadership (Debbie Yow) and yet Fr Biondi drove her out. I also believe Cheryl Levick would have provided strong leadership had she also not been undercut and pushed out far too soon. No, we have had a micro-managing President who didn't truly support athletics. 

And an athletic department that celebrates mediocrity. There's a lack of vision. The status quo is encouraged it seems. Just look at in game entertainment. They took the same exact promotions and moved them around and called it new.

[willie]

On 6/13/2017 at 6:43 PM, 3star_recruit said:

Aron,

Look at the background of Butler's athletic director and it becomes apparent why he's so connected to the basketball coaching fraternity. VCU had an athletic director in Richard Sander whose 20 year tenure created a culture of excellence at VCU.  SLU has never had strong leadership in the athletic department.

This is ancient history but Larry Albus invented the basketball double-header. 

[HoosierPal]

On 6/13/2017 at 6:43 PM, 3star_recruit said:

Aron,

Look at the background of Butler's athletic director and it becomes apparent why he's so connected to the basketball coaching fraternity. VCU had an athletic director in Richard Sander whose 20 year tenure created a culture of excellence at VCU.  SLU has never had strong leadership in the athletic department.

You should go to the butlerhoops.com forum and read what the Butler MBM's are saying about Collier.  He is being roasted and toasted, MBM's demeaning him for not ponying up more cash to keep Holtmann, for letting the assistants all go (again more cash to keep them), and trashing him already for the possible reneging of NLI's for their top two recruits.  They want Collier's head. 

[Pistol]

39 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

You should go to the butlerhoops.com forum and read what the Butler MBM's are saying about Collier.  He is being roasted and toasted, MBM's demeaning him for not ponying up more cash to keep Holtmann, for letting the assistants all go (again more cash to keep them), and trashing him already for the possible reneging of NLI's for their top two recruits.  They want Collier's head. 

Except he made what should be a really good hire in LaVall Jordan.

[3star_recruit]

Collier is getting roasted because Butler's MBMs have delusions of grandeur and Collier has enough sense not to get in an arms race with much bigger schools with much richer alumni bases. Their MBMs should be thankful they're even in a Big 6 conference.

[brianstl]

40 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said:

Collier is getting roasted because Butler's MBMs have delusions of grandeur and Collier has enough sense not to get in an arms race with much bigger schools with much richer alumni bases. Their MBMs should be thankful they're even in a Big 6 conference.

Collier deserves some blame here.  Every coach in the Big East, except Dave Leitao was getting paid more than Holtman.  The guy just took you to the Sweet 16 and has gone 4-3 in the NCAA tournament during his three seasons at Butler.  They have the money to pay their head coach and staff more.