TheChosenOne Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 On 2/1/2017 at 4:02 PM, cheeseman said: I talked with someone who is kind of knowledgeable about the Missouri situation. I was told that the school has so many negatives that the only person who would take the job is an up and comer who tends to cheat. This is the last thing the school needs at this point - another scandal. Additional I was told that Andersen's future for next year is going to be how the new AD decides to evaluate him right now - in other words who knows. I was also told that if Andersen is retained then he will have to clean house on his staff. You can take whatever you want from this but this person is not some MBM. Hahaha, I would be willing to bet a large amount of money that this is complete bs. I am a huge Mizzou fan and I certainly acknowledge that there are some issues (specifically the current academic investigation and to a lesser extent the moron that "starved" himself), but the bottom line is that Mizzou has a very solid basketball tradition, nice facilities, and plays in the SEC where their athletic department is making more money than ever before. Hiring a quality coach should not be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, RiseAndGrind said: True. The bigger issue is that mizzou sucks. I wouldn't phrase it that way exactly, but the incompetence from those calling the shots is certainly a bigger hindrance in them making quality hires than money. I am hopeful the new athletic director is better equipped to make a quality coaching hire than Alden (Frank Haith and then followed that up with Kim Anderson, holy smokes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 21 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said: Hahaha, I would be willing to bet a large amount of money that this is complete bs. I am a huge Mizzou fan and I certainly acknowledge that there are some issues (specifically the current academic investigation and to a lesser extent the moron that "starved" himself), but the bottom line is that Mizzou has a very solid basketball tradition, nice facilities, and plays in the SEC where their athletic department is making more money than ever before. Hiring a quality coach should not be a problem. But don't you think this so-called tradition was based upon the glory days of Norm Stewart in the Big 8/12? A lot of that tradition has died in the SEC. You just can't go from the hatred of MU-KU to the manufactured/astroturfed rivalries ESPN wants Mizzou to have. Now, I get the Arkansas geographic rivalry and the South Carolina rivalry since both schools are located in a town called Columbia -- but think about both Missouri and Texas A&M here. Both schools lost, arguably, their biggest rivals in Kansas and Texas, in the pursuit of money. If media rights/revenue are now the name of the game, kiss tradition goodbye, 'cause it's gone, baby. Gone. I was at the last game aTm played against Texas in 2011 - it wouldn't matter if both teams came in 0-11 on Thanksgiving night - they both wanted to kill each other out there and judging by some parking lot fisticuffs, the fans did too. It was one of the most exhilarating college football atmospheres I've been lucky enough to witness and unless the two schools meet in a meaningless bowl game, it will never happen again. That's sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 44 minutes ago, RiseAndGrind said: True. The bigger issue is that mizzou sucks. I can't really argue that point at the moment. I have no idea if any of the powers that be have any interest in competing in basketball is my bigger concern. But money by itself should not be an obstacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 26 minutes ago, Bobby Metzinger said: But don't you think this so-called tradition was based upon the glory days of Norm Stewart in the Big 8/12? A lot of that tradition has died in the SEC. You just can't go from the hatred of MU-KU to the manufactured/astroturfed rivalries ESPN wants Mizzou to have. Now, I get the Arkansas geographic rivalry and the South Carolina rivalry since both schools are located in a town called Columbia -- but think about both Missouri and Texas A&M here. Both schools lost, arguably, their biggest rivals in Kansas and Texas, in the pursuit of money. If media rights/revenue are now the name of the game, kiss tradition goodbye, 'cause it's gone, baby. Gone. I was at the last game aTm played against Texas in 2011 - it wouldn't matter if both teams came in 0-11 on Thanksgiving night - they both wanted to kill each other out there and judging by some parking lot fisticuffs, the fans did too. It was one of the most exhilarating college football atmospheres I've been lucky enough to witness and unless the two schools meet in a meaningless bowl game, it will never happen again. That's sad. they still could both make the playoffs. Following MU took major hit for me in both FB n BB when they left Big 12. The Columbia Bowl you mention has been must c tv in both sports 4 me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 14 hours ago, MUTGR said: I can't really argue that point at the moment. I have no idea if any of the powers that be have any interest in competing in basketball is my bigger concern. But money by itself should not be an obstacle. I am not sure anyone has said that money alone would be the deciding factor. As in all these kinds of decisions lots of things factor in with some carrying more weight than others. To say that money is not something that will be considered is not being realistic. Yes I see your wording - not and obstacle - and you may be right. By the way the person I talked to never brought up money and my post did not include it. I have talked about money being a factor previously but once again I never said it would be the deciding factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, cheeseman said: I am not sure anyone has said that money alone would be the deciding factor. As in all these kinds of decisions lots of things factor in with some carrying more weight than others. To say that money is not something that will be considered is not being realistic. Yes I see your wording - not and obstacle - and you may be right. By the way the person I talked to never brought up money and my post did not include it. I have talked about money being a factor previously but once again I never said it would be the deciding factor. Cheeseman, there is no way Andersen is back next year. No matter what you've heard or how many financial issues they are having: he's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 -Mizzou's coach won't be whoever BM says it will be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 1 hour ago, kshoe said: Cheeseman, there is no way Andersen is back next year. No matter what you've heard or how many financial issues they are having: he's gone. First of all I never said he was gone. I only shared what I was told and he never said he was gone or staying just what he was told the deciding process would be. Once again money was never the reason I said he would or would not be gone just a factor and the guy I spoke to never mentioned money. At this point I am done sharing info on this topic because obviously nobody can read for understanding when it comes to this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 A SEC program is never going to let money stand in the way of a tire fire coaching regime in football or basketball. There is too much money on the table. The biggest turn off to Mizzou would be the general toxicity of the campus right now. There hasn't been much positive coming out of the Boone County Correctional Facility lately in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Regardless of how we very biased SLU fans feel about the place, Mizzou is an attractive job. There's a ton of money and opportunity there. No question. My only point earlier is that it's not necessarily more attractive than some of the other BCS jobs (Cal, Washington) that people think coaches might leave. They'd only leave those if they're forced out, not to jump to Mizzou. It's still a little early to know who the high flyers are in the lower ranks, and who is going to get fired from BCS jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if Mizzou's next coach is someone none of us are talking about yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Pistol said: Regardless of how we very biased SLU fans feel about the place, Mizzou is an attractive job. There's a ton of money and opportunity there. No question. My only point earlier is that it's not necessarily more attractive than some of the other BCS jobs (Cal, Washington) that people think coaches might leave. They'd only leave those if they're forced out, not to jump to Mizzou. It's still a little early to know who the high flyers are in the lower ranks, and who is going to get fired from BCS jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if Mizzou's next coach is someone none of us are talking about yet. Well, Mizzou did have a coach leave for Tulsa, which is (arguably) a notch below, with regard to conference prestige. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: Well, Mizzou did have a coach leave for Tulsa, which is (arguably) a notch below, with regard to conference prestige. I think there were some special circumstances there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 3 hours ago, JMM28 said: A SEC program is never going to let money stand in the way of a tire fire coaching regime in football or basketball. There is too much money on the table. The biggest turn off to Mizzou would be the general toxicity of the campus right now. There hasn't been much positive coming out of the Boone County Correctional Facility lately in any way. Agree. And yet the general toxicity of the campus is probably the number 1 reason why Anderson MIGHT actually be retained. Not that Anderson has done much to earn another year as head coach but Mizzou have actually be better off having Anderson stay another year to let the football program get back on its feet, let the campus wide scandals pass or at least die down, save the money you have to pay to buy him out, put Anderson on a short leash to ensure no further scandals and/or to clean house inside the program this year, consider firing Anderson halfway through next year to appease boosters and allow the program time to shop, market the program and land a big name or "splash" hire a year from now when toxicity levels are reduced and likelihood of sanctions/loss of scholarships is better known. The goal is to be better in 3 years from now and if waiting a year to make a head coaching change improves the selection of candidates, then wouldn't this be better than agreeing to a new 5 year plan now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Pistol said: I think there were some special circumstances there. To an extent. Haith knew he was on the hot seat and couldn't get an extension, so he left for a place with more job security. But he went from the ACC to the SEC (via Big XII) to the American (high level, but not "Power 5"). That's not an upward trajectory. And I think some of the circumstances point towards evidence that Missouri has a questionable reputation among the coaching circle. It's probably a good job for the right person, but the administration hasn't gotten its act together to assemble the right package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Clock_Tower said: Agree. And yet the general toxicity of the campus is probably the number 1 reason why Anderson MIGHT actually be retained. Not that Anderson has done much to earn another year as head coach but Mizzou have actually be better off having Anderson stay another year to let the football program get back on its feet, let the campus wide scandals pass or at least die down, save the money you have to pay to buy him out, put Anderson on a short leash to ensure no further scandals and/or to clean house inside the program this year, consider firing Anderson halfway through next year to appease boosters and allow the program time to shop, market the program and land a big name or "splash" hire a year from now when toxicity levels are reduced and likelihood of sanctions/loss of scholarships is better known. The goal is to be better in 3 years from now and if waiting a year to make a head coaching change improves the selection of candidates, then wouldn't this be better than agreeing to a new 5 year plan now? I can see what you're saying, but I just can't see how Mizzou can possibly continue with Anderson. And I like the guy -- but I'm starting to feel sorry for him, too. It's painfully obvious he's not equal to the task, despite being a "true son" Mizzou alum. Even if they can't make a big-name hire this March/April, I think they have to go in a different direction. They can't afford to become an even bigger laughingstock than they've become. If I were a betting man, I'd wager that some of the teams cornerstone (such as it is) players will transfer out if Anderson is retained, because they want to have a chance to win before they graduate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 There's no reason to retain Anderson with inexpensive upgrades like Dan Muller and Kermit Davis available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 58 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: There's no reason to retain Anderson with inexpensive upgrades like Dan Muller and Kermit Davis available. Kermit Washington has a fighting chance, according to sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 On 2/3/2017 at 9:56 AM, Pistol said: Regardless of how we very biased SLU fans feel about the place, Mizzou is an attractive job. There's a ton of money and opportunity there. No question. My only point earlier is that it's not necessarily more attractive than some of the other BCS jobs (Cal, Washington) that people think coaches might leave. They'd only leave those if they're forced out, not to jump to Mizzou. It's still a little early to know who the high flyers are in the lower ranks, and who is going to get fired from BCS jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if Mizzou's next coach is someone none of us are talking about yet. I would think Cal would be a challenging place to compete year in and year out in the Pac 10. Washington seems like a pretty good job - Romar certainly has recruited well there, he just hasn't been making it to the tourney near enough. Strange. It sounds like Illinois will be looking, and obviously that's a better program than Mizzou, although I wonder if the prospect of coaching in the B1G is really a plus for prospective coaches because it's such a meat grinder of a league. I think Ford was a good hire for SLU. He did pretty well at OSU in a tough league. Can obviously recruit well. I was in school when he was a Freshman. I remember seeing him walk into Fieldhouse with Doug Smith and Anthony Peeler. Quite a sight really. He was wearing a black mock turtleneck and a gaudy gold chain with a big medallion, like Run DMC or something. I'm not making fun of him, it was the times. Seems like a good dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Mizzou fans will never be happy until science can create a clone of Norm Stewart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise_08 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Can you block just a thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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