Ibruce Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 of the most productive and college ready players in the class of 2017 is Jordan Goodwin. The Illinois native has always held the Illinois Fighting Illini in a high regard, but now keep a very close eye on St. Louis. Since getting the job Travis Ford has made a tremendous push to get Goodwin, and while this is far from a consensus, you can find people close to the kid who feel that the Billikens may actually be the most likely destination. Also it is worth noting that St. Louis just hired former St. Louis Eagles coach Corey Tate as an assistant coach, so that could help as well. Creighton, Butler, Northwestern, and to an extent Missouri still remain somewhat on the list, and could get visits, but it is very possible that this turns into an Illinois v SLU battle for one of the most productive players in the class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLURadioBoy Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Where did you get this from, lbruce? Has anyone else heard this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibruce Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 11 minutes ago, SLURadioBoy said: Where did you get this from, lbruce? Has anyone else heard this? Pay Info.. A pretty reliable scout.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 It's a two man race for sure. Ford has done great. He announces on October 23rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 I refuse to get my hopes up after the Tatum debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLURadioBoy Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Thanks, lbruce and slufan13. That's exciting to hear. I agree with Westy though. You don't want to get your hopes up after what happened with Tatum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 17 minutes ago, Westy03 said: I refuse to get my hopes up after the Tatum debacle. YUP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Would you rather get Goodwin, a likely 4-year player, or Tatum for one year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromDaEastSide Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, SShoe said: Would you rather get Goodwin, a likely 4-year player, or Tatum for one year? Goodwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Depends on how good the rest of the team is, but I'd say Goodwin given the current roster. Adding Tatum to our 2013 team would have put us in the Final Four Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 3 hours ago, SShoe said: Would you rather get Goodwin, a likely 4-year player, or Tatum for one year? 2 reasons for Goodwin: First reason, if Crews got Tatum to sign, he would not have been fired. Second, if Tatum came for just the 16-17 season, I don't think it would done any good. Teams would just doubled and tripled up on him and shut him down. It would have looked like that NCAA game when Hughes played UK with a far worse supporting cast. For the season we would had more wins then the previous 2 seasons but, at best, a NIT or CBI invite. Now if Tatum came for 17-18 season and TF was coach, I have to give that some thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 34 minutes ago, tarheelbilliken said: 2 reasons for Goodwin: First reason, if Crews got Tatum to sign, he would not have been fired. Second, if Tatum came for just the 16-17 season, I don't think it would done any good. Teams would just doubled and tripled up on him and shut him down. It would have looked like that NCAA game when Hughes playing UK with a far worse supporting cast. For the season we would had more wins then the previous 2 seasons but, at best, a NIT or CBI invite. Now if Tatum came for 17-18 season and TF was coach, I have to give that some thought. -what tarheel said plus having a 4 year player might provide additional recruiting advantages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Tarheelbilliken, somehow Tatum playing in a team coached by Crews is an idea that just does not jell in my mind. Yes he might have done great for a year and keep Crews alive for an extra year or so. But just imagine Crews getting sore with Tatum and benching him, as he used to do, for not doing exactly as he wanted. Could Tatum have played very well under those conditions? I know he is a great player, but really Crews just might have been a great spoiler for this kid's future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 6 hours ago, slufan13 said: Depends on how good the rest of the team is, but I'd say Goodwin given the current roster. Adding Tatum to our 2013 team would have put us in the Final Four I think another good piece would've done that. A Willie Reed type - a borderline NBA player. A 1st team AA guy like Tatum would've turned us into the best team in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 I know Tatum teased us, but who really ever thought he'd take Jim Crews over Coach K? He'll be playing the final 4 next April. If he came to SLU, he'd be lucky if he was playing in the NIT give the talent around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 9 minutes ago, slu72 said: He'll be playing the final 4 next April. Maybe. If they can get past Lehigh or Mercer in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 22 hours ago, tarheelbilliken said: 2 reasons for Goodwin: First reason, if Crews got Tatum to sign, he would not have been fired. Second, if Tatum came for just the 16-17 season, I don't think it would done any good. Teams would just doubled and tripled up on him and shut him down. It would have looked like that NCAA game when Hughes played UK with a far worse supporting cast. For the season we would had more wins then the previous 2 seasons but, at best, a NIT or CBI invite. Now if Tatum came for 17-18 season and TF was coach, I have to give that some thought. You're crazy if you don't think we were making the NCAA in that theoretical situation. 16 hours ago, Littlebill said: I think another good piece would've done that. A Willie Reed type - a borderline NBA player. A 1st team AA guy like Tatum would've turned us into the best team in the country. *2014 and we were a Fab Five caliber team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 1 hour ago, slu72 said: He'll be playing the final 4 next April. He'd being playing in the tourney, final 4 is not guaranteed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 8 hours ago, abas115 said: You're crazy if you don't think we were making the NCAA in that theoretical situation. *2014 and we were a Fab Five caliber team. Are you talking about the talent hypothetically Tatum would been playing with for the 16-17 season with Crews coaching? I hate to break it to you the talent you are going to witness this next season is totally awful. Hopefully they will show some heart, play hard and maybe beat out another 11 win season. Tatum would had no support and with Crews coaching, with his lack of preparation and coaching strategy, the problem would been compounded. As far getting Tatum for the 17-18 season over Goodwin, I am leaning for a player that would be with us 4 years were we can build around rather then one and done. We are not Kentucky or a Duke were they reload every year with mickeyD all-Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 If we're talking what-if scenarios, the best would have been if Crews was fired during/after the first awful season and the new coach had time to woo Tatum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 23 hours ago, hsmith19 said: Maybe. If they can get past Lehigh or Mercer in the first round. Duke is loaded for bear this year. The only problem might be the game's only played w/ one ball. Although, Coach K has shown he can fix that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 37 minutes ago, hsmith19 said: If we're talking what-if scenarios, the best would have been if Crews was fired during/after the first awful season and the new coach had time to woo Tatum. Or if we talk back to the past, the best would have been to give him a one time bonus and thank him for filling in so adequately for Rick and getting named COY. Although, with those players we could have got the same results. They didn't need a coach just a shoulder to cry on. It was that COY award I think that sealed our fate with Jimmy. We all thought it would have been hard to pull the rug out from underneath him after winning it. Kind of ironic that probably the worst coach we've had in the last 20-30 years is the only one to ever have won a national COY award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, slu72 said: Or if we talk back to the past, the best would have been to give him a one time bonus and thank him for filling in so adequately for Rick and getting named COY. Although, with those players we could have got the same results. They didn't need a coach just a shoulder to cry on. It was that COY award I think that sealed our fate with Jimmy. We all thought it would have been hard to pull the rug out from underneath him after winning it. Kind of ironic that probably the worst coach we've had in the last 20-30 years is the only one to ever have won a national COY award. I am pretty sure Spoon won a national COY during his run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 24 minutes ago, brianstl said: I am pretty sure Spoon won a national COY during his run. I believe you are correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 When you play what if and decide that the best outcome would have been to send Crews home after his year as interim and after his COY, perhaps with a nice fat bonus that shows how grateful we were, and then hire a new HC you have a completely new scenario in terms of recruitment. Crews would not have been recruiting, the new coach would have, that means we would most likely have had different players and a different level of performance in competitive play. This may have been a significant factor in getting Tatum enrolled at SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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