ACE Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Stanford has fired Johnny Dawkins. Paulie B talking him up on Twitter. "wins 2 NIT's & Sweet 16 w/ridiculous high academic standards plus. Yes great role model & his players graduated..." Can't say I have watched a lot of Stanford in recent years, but Dawkins is a name I would put on the list. He's got the academic stuff, played in the NBA, went to a Catholic HS in DC for whatever that is worth. Only one trip to the NCAA, but that Sweet 16 trip was just two years ago. And two NIT championship (while not the Big Dance) shows he is capable of stringing together some postseason wins. He's probably a better coach now than when he took over Stanford. He doesn't seem to have any Midwest ties, but maybe he could team up with another Duke guy - hire Chris Carrawell as associate head coach. It's worth giving him a call. Most importantly, it would bring MB back into the fold. It might even motivate him to make the long walk from the parking garage to the games again. Make SLU great again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 -my perception of the Coach K tree is that there has not been a lot of success when his guys leave Duke, not sure if this is backed up by facts, but it is what is in my mind so I am not that jazzed about Dawkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Double Breasted Paulie B talking up Dawkins but 1 NCAA in all those years at Stanford? Not all that inspiring. Ingelsby doesn't really move the needle for me either. Time at UND and Wagner no HC experience he maybe a good player developer. Coaching Carousel (Listed in what I think is most prestigious or desirable to least not scientific mostly Wild Ass Guess) Stanford SLU UNLV UCF Tulane Santa Clara Drexel Pacific UTSA Denver UMBC Arkansas St NC A&T Now Bizziken knows what's up. Diener Express Toot Toot all aboard KC to STL leaving soon This guy wouldn't....we'd be his destination job We should see if Kobe wants to coach after he retires in a few weeks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 I think UNLV is definitely more attractive than SLU. But SLU is still one of the top open jobs right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I think UNLV is definitely more attractive than SLU. But SLU is still one of the top open jobs right now. GET OFF MY BOARD! PUNK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prebilliken Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 If we think hiring Drew Diener, a D3 coach, or Jay Spoonhour, who has a .424 win %, is the answer to our program's issues, than we are mired in more myopic thinking than I first believed we were. I hope these are sarcastic choices. Look how will the D2 thing is working out for Mizzou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 Damon Stoudamire is apparently going to Pacific as HC. according to the twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwyjibo Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Double Breasted Paulie B talking up Dawkins but 1 NCAA in all those years at Stanford? Not all that inspiring. Ingelsby doesn't really move the needle for me either. Time at UND and Wagner no HC experience he maybe a good player developer. Coaching Carousel (Listed in what I think is most prestigious or desirable to least not scientific mostly Wild Ass Guess) Stanford SLU UNLV UCF Tulane Santa Clara Drexel Pacific UTSA Denver UMBC Arkansas St NC A&T Southern Utah is looking for a coach to move them up in the Big Sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 If we think hiring Drew Diener, a D3 coach, or Jay Spoonhour, who has a .424 win %, is the answer to our program's issues, than we are mired in more myopic thinking than I first believed we were. I hope these are sarcastic choices. Look how will the D2 thing is working out for Mizzou. I'm confident that the Diener suggestions are sarcasm. Suggestions like Jay Spoonhour and Justin Tatum (not necessarily made here) are just suggestions made by people who aren't paying attention to legit potential candidates and would rather throw out a familiar name than take the time to actually look up who is out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Nearly anyone we hire will be someone who could leave in X number of years for a bigger job. In order for that to happen said coach would have had to be pretty successful during his time here, and odds are wouldn't be leaving the cupboard bare. Two words: Lorenzo Freaking Romar The cupboard was bare and maybe he was somewhat successful .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Two words: Lorenzo Freaking Romar The cupboard was bare and maybe he was somewhat successful .... Yea that was before my time but it seems like everyone around here was generally a fan? To the point of wanting him to return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Yea that was before my time but it seems like everyone around here was generally a fan? To the point of wanting him to return? There were hard feelings at the time and Brad caught most of the fallout for Romar's bare cupboard. I wouldn't take him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I'd post the link, but not sure how clear it would come out, so I'll just paraphrase it. Dan Wolken of USA Today said that he would not be surprised to see SLU take a run at Kevin Stallings and that he listens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 But does the surprise NCAA bid make that less likely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Duke coaching tree? Brey --- NW State/Geedubya (player), Dematha assistant, Duke assistant, Delaware HC, Notre Dame HC (current -- decent success) Snyder - Duke (player), three NBA years (player), LA Clippers (assistant), Duke assistant, Mizzou HC, various NBA jobs (fired at Mizzou) Capel -- Played at Duke but then went Old Dominion assistant, VCU assistant, VCU head coach, Oklahoma head Coach and now back to Duke as assistant. (Fired at Oklahoma) Amaker -- Duke (player), Duke assistant, Seton Hall HC, Michigan HC, Harvard HC (current). Bender -- Indiana & Duke (player), Duke assistant, Illinois State HC, Washington HC, various NBA assistant jobs (fired at Washington). Chris Colllins -- Duke (player), Duke assistant, Northwestern HC (current). Dawkins -- Duke (player), NBA player (ten years), Duke assistant/associate, Stanford HC (fired). Dement -- Duke (player), Duke assistant, Cornell assistant, East Carolina assistant, UNC Greensboro HC (Stage 1), SMU HC, UNC Greensboro (Stage 2)(fired at Greensboro). David Henderson -- Duke (player), various pro/international stops and levels (11 years), Duke assistant, Delaware HC (fired). Bobby Hurley -- Duke (player), NBA player (five years), Wagner assistant, Rhode Island assistant, Buffalo HC, Arizona State HC (current). Tim O'Toole -- Fairfield (player) -- Fordham/Army/Iona/Syracuse/Duke assistant, Fairfield HC, Syracuse/Stanford assistant. Chuck Swenson -- Senior Manager @ Indiana University 1976, Duke assistant, William & Mary HC, Michigan assistant to Amaker, Duke assistant. Wojo -- Duke player, Duke assistant, Marquette HC (current). Dawkins and Brey likely the most successful from the Coach K tree. Collins and Wojo still have the jury out on their HC efforts. Capel's firing at Oklahoma dims his star some. But he is gettingtalked about again since getting to Duke. Hurley is listed in here I guess because he played for Coach K but Chris Carrawell does not. I am guessing this list is limited to those who have become head coaches and Carrawell is only an assistant at Marquette. So two or three positives (depending on how you rate Amaker) and two too early to calls (maybe three; how do you count Hurley?). A few failures and one abject failure in Snyder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prebilliken Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I'd post the link, but not sure how clear it would come out, so I'll just paraphrase it. Dan Wolken of USA Today said that he would not be surprised to see SLU take a run at Kevin Stallings and that he listens. Why would we want a coach who is on shaky ground at another school? 0 conference season titles, 1 conference tourney title, .604 win mark... If Vandy wants to fire him let's not make it easy for him. Stallings is 55 and tired, the definition of a re-tread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Why would we want a coach who is on shaky ground at another school? 0 conference season titles, 1 conference tourney title, .604 win mark... If Vandy wants to fire him let's not make it easy for him. Stallings is 55 and tired, the definition of a re-tread. Because Vandy fans overrate how good their program can be. His team is rated as the 23rd best in the country according to Sagarin and 27th according to Pomeroy. Does that sound like a guy who should be on the hot seat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Why would we want a coach who is on shaky ground at another school? 0 conference season titles, 1 conference tourney title, .604 win mark... If Vandy wants to fire him let's not make it easy for him. Stallings is 55 and tired, the definition of a re-tread. Stallings had decent success in a tough conference at an Academically challenging school. He has ties to the area as well. 55 isn't that old. Who are you advocating pre-ejac? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Duke coaching tree? Brey --- NW State/Geedubya (player), Dematha assistant, Duke assistant, Delaware HC, Notre Dame HC (current -- decent success) Snyder - Duke (player), three NBA years (player), LA Clippers (assistant), Duke assistant, Mizzou HC, various NBA jobs (fired at Mizzou) Capel -- Played at Duke but then went Old Dominion assistant, VCU assistant, VCU head coach, Oklahoma head Coach and now back to Duke as assistant. (Fired at Oklahoma) Amaker -- Duke (player), Duke assistant, Seton Hall HC, Michigan HC, Harvard HC (current). Bender -- Indiana & Duke (player), Duke assistant, Illinois State HC, Washington HC, various NBA assistant jobs (fired at Washington). Chris Colllins -- Duke (player), Duke assistant, Northwestern HC (current). Dawkins -- Duke (player), NBA player (ten years), Duke assistant/associate, Stanford HC (fired). Dement -- Duke (player), Duke assistant, Cornell assistant, East Carolina assistant, UNC Greensboro HC (Stage 1), SMU HC, UNC Greensboro (Stage 2)(fired at Greensboro). David Henderson -- Duke (player), various pro/international stops and levels (11 years), Duke assistant, Delaware HC (fired). Bobby Hurley -- Duke (player), NBA player (five years), Wagner assistant, Rhode Island assistant, Buffalo HC, Arizona State HC (current). Tim O'Toole -- Fairfield (player) -- Fordham/Army/Iona/Syracuse/Duke assistant, Fairfield HC, Syracuse/Stanford assistant. Chuck Swenson -- Senior Manager @ Indiana University 1976, Duke assistant, William & Mary HC, Michigan assistant to Amaker, Duke assistant. Wojo -- Duke player, Duke assistant, Marquette HC (current). Dawkins and Brey likely the most successful from the Coach K tree. Collins and Wojo still have the jury out on their HC efforts. Capel's firing at Oklahoma dims his star some. But he is gettingtalked about again since getting to Duke. Hurley is listed in here I guess because he played for Coach K but Chris Carrawell does not. I am guessing this list is limited to those who have become head coaches and Carrawell is only an assistant at Marquette. So two or three positives (depending on how you rate Amaker) and two too early to calls (maybe three; how do you count Hurley?). A few failures and one abject failure in Snyder. -thanks Taj, this reinforces my thought that "tree" does not have deep roots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 -thanks Taj, this reinforces my thought that "tree" does not have deep roots More like a telephone pole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken2damax Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 My sources in the athletic department are saying that if a former Billikens coach (not sure if it is a former HC or assistant) wants the job--then it is his to take. She wouldn't give me a name though. They are playing this one a lot closer to the chest than the Majerus and Crews hirings. Everyone and their mothers knew who was getting those positions. i think they should go get Darian Devries out of Creighton. Fresh blood, Jesuit connection, and 2nd to none at mid major level recruiting and coming up with a game plans. Take it for what it is worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 My sources in the athletic department are saying that if a former Billikens coach (not sure if it is a former HC or assistant) wants the job--then it is his to take. She wouldn't give me a name though. They are playing this one a lot closer to the chest than the Majerus and Crews hirings. Everyone and their mothers knew who was getting those positions. i think they should go get Darian Devries out of Creighton. Fresh blood, Jesuit connection, and 2nd to none at mid major level recruiting and coming up with a game plans. Take it for what it is worth. Well, that's certainly interesting. Sodie still in town? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prebilliken Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 My sources in the athletic department are saying that if a former Billikens coach (not sure if it is a former HC or assistant) wants the job--then it is his to take. She wouldn't give me a name though. They are playing this one a lot closer to the chest than the Majerus and Crews hirings. Everyone and their mothers knew who was getting those positions. Woof, this worries me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 My sources in the athletic department are saying that if a former Billikens coach (not sure if it is a former HC or assistant) wants the job--then it is his to take. She wouldn't give me a name though. They are playing this one a lot closer to the chest than the Majerus and Crews hirings. Everyone and their mothers knew who was getting those positions. i think they should go get Darian Devries out of Creighton. Fresh blood, Jesuit connection, and 2nd to none at mid major level recruiting and coming up with a game plans. Take it for what it is worth. The only two people that would fit that description would be Randy Bennett and Romar. Either would make me happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Would you want you or your kid to play for Stallings? Legit question. I don't know the answer. I know the answer I'd give for Jim Crews. Stallings left this area in 1979 when he went to Purdue. He then coached in West Lafayette, Ind.; Lawrence, Kans.; Normal, Ill.; and Nashville, Tenn. A couple of opinions ... #1) he is no longer a St. Louis resident. Hasn't been for years. Irrelevant to attempt to tie some sort of "homecoming" connection to it. #2) None of today's current kids know who he is based on his playing days. Not that they would care and he hasn't really been a known face in and around St. Louis recruiting circles to my knowledge. St. Louis kids don't go to Vandy as far as I know. #3) His highest SEC mark has been 12 wins, once. Second highest was 11 posted this year. But yes, he has gone to post season play 12 of his 17 years there so that is good. But I don't know if middle-of-pack SEC is good or not -- is it? If they are clamoring for him to go, might not. But some schticks get old after a while ---- see Reid, Andy @ Philadelphia or Crews, Jim @ Evansville. #4) I too think he is tired and a retread. #5) The debate will rage on as long as the rumor mill is open. I don't know enough to say this guy or that guy and there is really no magic bullet sitting out there. You get Lavin = no guarantee. You get Stallings = ditto. You get Otzelheimer = ditto/ditto. Much like the Crews hire, I think it will be hard to really evaluate whomever for three, maybe four years. Sure, they can come in and work some presto-changeo magic pretty quickly because our expectations are at the lowest of the lows right now. At least mine are. Eleven more wins next year seems reasonable despite not knowing if you have a roster or not. But the strength of that hire can only be measured by sustainability and continued output and there is no formula guaranteeing ultimate success. You can get the next Shaka or the next Quinny. You never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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