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Pure speculation by me:

A lot of programs have a policy of not offering until the head coach has seen the kid play. Because of a variety of factors including health, Rick Majerus was not able to get out and see as many kids as Crews may be able to. We saw that video of Crews standing at the Addidas Invitational watching Martin and Macura. It was pretty rare to see Coach Rick hopping around to all those AAU tournaments.

The Billikens are not offering more players than it seems a lot of programs do these days.

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Or these are all talented guys and landing any of them would be a good thing.

+1. A lot of these guys are being heavily recruited and have lots of stars next to their name, so I definitely don't think we're cheapening our offers. I just think we have a lot of schollies to fill, Crews is putting more faith in his assistants than some of our previous coaches, and/or he has confidence in his ability to evaluate talent and is willing to make quick decisions on whether or not to offer (a weakness of a few previous coaches).

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"A weakness of a few previous coaches" - nice, and agreed.

It is no wonder we missed out on every recruit with UB here. Back in 2005 I thought it was the norm that you only offer 2-3 times the number of open slots you have. It is crazy to me that we looked at Scott Suggs like he was some sort of Andrew Wiggins.

I like this strategy of flooding the market with offers to all players who would be good fits regardless if we think they have mutual interest. Kind of like dating.

Not worth friending up a single girl for 10 months trying to get laid....just try to lure 10 girls over 1 month ....who do you think has the advantage. Remember there are no STDs in recruiting and scholarships.

What say you Jimbo?

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"A weakness of a few previous coaches" - nice, and agreed.

It is no wonder we missed out on every recruit with UB here. Back in 2005 I thought it was the norm that you only offer 2-3 times the number of open slots you have. It is crazy to me that we looked at Scott Suggs like he was some sort of Andrew Wiggins.

I like this strategy of flooding the market with offers to all players who would be good fits regardless if we think they have mutual interest. Kind of like dating.

Not worth friending up a single girl for 10 months trying to get laid....just try to lure 10 girls over 1 month ....who do you think has the advantage. Remember there are no STDs in recruiting and scholarships.

What say you Jimbo?

That's incorrect. There certainly are cancers out there. Recruits need to be good for the team culture -- which is a reflection of the coach. It's likely that Keith Carter and Jared Drew are gone because they were recruiting and scholarship STDs for SLU under Crews. Majerus, Soderberg, Romar, Spoon, and Grawer contracted them, too.

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That's incorrect. There certainly are cancers out there. Recruits need to be good for the team culture -- which is a reflection of the coach. It's likely that Keith Carter and Jared Drew are gone because they were recruiting and scholarship STDs for SLU under Crews. Majerus, Soderberg, Romar, Spoon, and Grawer contracted them, too.

Agreed and is definitely one of the downsides to over-offering/spreading thin your recruiting efforts. Other downsides might include seeing too small a sample size to truly evaluate the player's talent and by the time they get to campus you realize they suck (plenty of examples there), or not developing enough strong relationships with your primary targets (or players you have the best chance with) because you're too busy looking at 5 other guys. Regardless, I'd rather the coach leaned in the direction of over-offering than under-offering.

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Keith Carter and Jared Drew were pretty easy mistakes to correct. It is unlikely that either had any meaningful adverse impact on our success. I would equate them to a 2-day flu than to cancer.

I dont really buy the argument of "but when you cut player then you look like you are uncaring, arent upholding your end of the deal and it will affect your future recruiting".

Until Crews starts whiffing on signed kids, I love what he has done so far and love being in recruiting circles with the BCSers. The only real recruit that I thought might be a stretch is Gillman.

When RA signed with us I got the feeling that with 2 consecutive tournament appearances, we might have temporarily left the days where we had to find purely under the radar guys. Then when Roby signed, I thought it even more.

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I suspect previous coaches offered a lot more than we knew. Seemed like our program was always under some kind of CIA like silent mandate. Plus, with twitter the kids are able to brag and talk about their suitors a lot more open to the point there are few secrets anymore. C

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Updated with new offers to Mercer, Martin, Newkirk, and Big Ike. 4 spots remain (1 2013, 3 2014) after the Roby and Gillmann commitments. As always, updates on all names are appreciated.

2014 Offer List:

Ore Arogundade: St. Viator, Arlington Heights, IL - SG: 6-3, 180. Offers: SLU, Creighton, SIUC, Murray State, Drake, Santa Clara, Loyola-Chicago, San Jose State, Wright State, Toledo, Northern Illinois, San Francisco, Utah State. Interest: DePaul, Xavier, Temple, LaSalle, Texas Tech, Wichita State, Missouri State, Oregon State. Latest (6/15): Arogundade vistied Drake and SLU. Previous: Arogundade said Murray State, St. Louis, Santa Clara, and Drake are strong right now. Texas Tech, Xavier, Temple and LaSalle are also looking. Twitter: @OreAro_23

Darius Austin: Cahokia HS, Cahokia, IL - SF: 6-6, 200. Offers: SLU, DePaul, Indiana State, SIUE, UMKC. Interest: Xavier, Indiana, Illinois, Mizzou, Michigan, Michigan State, Cincinnati, Iowa, Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Tennessee, Murray State. Latest (7/5): Austin is working with a personal trainer to recover from an ankle injury that kept him sidelined in April and May and will be playing with the Illinois Wolves for the July evaluation period. DePaul seems to be his frontrunner of those that have offered and Oregon State is recruiting the hardest from the interest list. He wants to decide before his senior year starts. Previous: Austin visited Murray State at the end of June. According to IL Prep Bullseye, Austin is their pick for a mid-late summer high-major break-out recruit. He tore it up at the DePaul Team Camp and may have been the best player in the thing. Twitter: @DariusAustin23

Larry Austin, Jr.: Lanphier, Springfield, IL - PG: 6-1, 165. Offers: SLU, Mizzou, Illinois, DePaul, Memphis, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Wake Forest, Iowa, Florida State, Mississippi State, Bradley, SMU, Wisconsin-Milwaukee. Interest: Butler, Ohio State, Tennessee, Stanford, West Virginia, Harvard. Latest (6/5): Austin says that out of all the schools on his offer list, Oklahoma State is probably the one recruiting him the hardest. Twitter: @_LarryAustin2_

Jordan Barnett: CBC, St. Louis, MO - SF: 6-7, 185. Offers: SLU, Mizzou, Butler, Purdue, Florida, Michigan State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Iowa, Iowa State, Stanford, Harvard. Interest: UNC, SIUC. Latest (5/22): Barnett mentioned that UNC had shown interest and been in contact several times. On 5/22, UNC got a commitment from 5-star SF Theo Pinson, which may lead them to back off Barnett. Previous: SLU and St. Louis Eagles alum Larry Hughes spoke to Barnett's Eagles team after a loss in Dallas on 5/16. Twitter: @JBounce33

J.P. Macura: Lakeville North, Lakeville, MN - SG: 6-5, 185. Offers: SLU, Dayton, Butler, Xavier, Creighton, Miami, NC State, Boston College, Iowa State, Kansas State, Florida State, Drake, North Dakota, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, Vermont, South Dakota, South Dakota State, New Mexico State, Utah State, Toledo, Wyoming, Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Nebraska-Omaha. Interest: Indiana, Wisconsin, Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota, Providence, Penn State. Latest (7/11): Macura picked up offers from Miami and NC State. Previous: Macura made an official visit to Butler and shortly thereafter was shocked by Brad Stevens' decision to leave the school, which was one of his leaders. Since then, he has been contacted by Minnesota, Miami, Purdue, and Penn State. Showing an elite three-point shooting ability, Macura has had a couple huge AAU tournaments (including the recent adidas VIP Exclusive Run) and is hitting the radar of Big Ten, Big 12, and ACC schools. He is looking for a school with a "family atmosphere." He is up to #89 in Scout's 2014 rankings. Twitter: @jpmacura

Kelan Martin: Ballard, Louisville, KY - SF: 6-6, 210. Offers: SLU, Xavier, Providence, Texas Tech, New Mexico, Indiana State, Ohio, Western Kentucky, IUPUI, UMKC. Interest: Butler, Creighton, Mizzou, Kentucky, Louisville, Minnesota, LSU, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Boston College, Tulsa. Latest (7/15): Martin picked up offers from SLU, Xavier, and Texas Tech. Previous: Martin said he's most recently heard from Southern Miss and SLU, but the school he hears from most is Butler. He doesn't have an offer from them yet but new coach Miller said he's going to continue recruiting him. He visited shortly before Stevens left. It seems like Butler is his favorite: "I like their program and I think I'm a good fit for their school." Martin has had an impressive spring on the AAU circuit and the offers are starting to roll in.

Logan McLane: Greenfield School, Wilson, NC - PF: 6-8, 210. Offers: SLU, Seton Hall, Miami-Ohio, UNC-Asheville, UNC-Greensboro, Buffalo, Winthrop, Mercer, High Point. Latest (6/19): McLane is currently recovering from a torn ACL, which is why higher-level schools have not offered, but he aims to be ready for an AAU event in July. He just visited Miami-Ohio. Previous: McLane gives some reasons why he likes his current list of offers. Twitter: @LMcLane4

Mack Mercer: Plymouth, Plymouth, IN - PF: 6-9, 210. Offers: SLU, Boston College, Miami (Ohio), Indiana State, Illinois State, Kent State, Belmont, Loyola-Chicago, Valpo, Rice, Ball State, Vermont, William & Mary. Interest: Butler, Xavier, Mizzou, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Notre Dame, Clemson, Mississippi State, Northwestern. Latest (7/15): Mercer picked up an offer from SLU. The most recent offer prior to SLU was from Illinois State. Mercer's most recent official visit was to Boston College. He previously called Boston College, Indiana State, and Belmont his top three, but hinted that he might be expanding that "top" list now that some Big Ten schools and others have shown increased interest. Twitter: @MackMercer

Shavar Newkirk: Cardinal Hayes, Bronx, NY - PG: 6-0, 175. Offers: SLU, UMass, St. Joe's, Providence, Seton Hall, Iowa State, Georgia, Manhattan, Hofstra, Iona, Towson, Florida International, Middle Tennessee State. Interest: Rhode Island, Dayton, Xavier, Temple, St. John's, Kansas, Syracuse, Stanford, Minnesota, Rutgers, Miami, Clemson, Yale, Fairfield. Latest (7/15): Newkirk picked up a SLU offer. He already had several, primarily from Northeastern schools, that piled up over the course of his junior season. He does not have a favorite, nor has he narrowed his list, though he hopes to have a top 5 by the beginning of his senior year.

Ikenna Okwarabizie: St. Louis Christian, St. Louis, MO - C: 6-10, 240. Offers: SLU, Illinois State, Southern Miss, SIUE. Interest: Rutgers, Marquette, Oklahoma, Tennessee, LSU, Auburn, Rice. Latest (7/15): Okwarabizie picked up offers from SLU and Illinois State. Previous: Okwarabizie is just starting to emerge this spring and picked up his first offer from Southern Miss. He is drawing "serious attention" from SLU and Rutgers and visited Illinois State. He is playing with the St. Louis Eagles on the AAU circuit this summer. He is not a major contributor at this point but has tremendous size and potential. Twitter: @iykerulez1

Sean O’Mara: Benet Academy, Lisle, IL - C: 6-9, 240. Offers: SLU, Illinois, DePaul, Marquette, Xavier, Dayton, LaSalle, Boston College, Virginia, Iowa State, Georgia Tech, SIUC, SIUE, Loyola-Chicago, UIC, Oakland, Lehigh, Columbia, Ball State, Eastern Michigan. Interest: Michigan, Notre Dame, Purdue, Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern. Latest (5/21): Considered one of the best centers in the Midwest, O'Mara is in the belly of the Big Ten and has their attention. He was dominant in an AAU Tournament in April. Offers are starting to cascade in. Twitter: @S3AN_54

Austin Pope: Saddleback Junior College, Los Angeles, CA - PG: 6-6, 200. Offers: SLU, St. Bonaventure, Cincinnati, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State, Washington State, New Mexico, UC-Irvine. Interest: Marquette, Georgetown, USC, UCLA, California, UNLV, Texas, UConn, San Diego State. Latest (7/15): Pope picked up an offer from SLU. He appears to know Austin McBroom. He has had an interesting path, having committed to Louisville at one point, then Colorado, but both schools wanted to redshirt him for a season and he didn't want to sit. The reasons for the redshirt are unclear, as he was a very highly rated PG out of prep school (class of 2013), with offers from those schools, Baylor, Oregon, Gonzaga, and more. Once UL and CU were out, he made it sound like UCLA was leading the way. Since then, more have gotten involved. He is now ranked the #1 PG and #6 overall prospect among junior college players. Twitter: ThePope_LOE

Quadree Smith: Paul VI, Fairfax, VA - PF: 6-7, 290. Offers: SLU, St. Joe's, George Mason Nebraska, Tennessee, Tulsa, Kent State, Florida Gulf Coast, Florida International, Drexel, Siena, Fairfield, Rider, Radford, Quinnipiac, UNC-Greensboro, Kennesaw State. Interest: Xavier, Virginia, Albany. Latest (7/2): Smith picked up offers from SLU and Florida Gulf Coast. No, the "290" is not a typo. He's a man mountain of Bill Brasky proportions. He was not allowed to play pee wee football because of his size so he picked up hoops instead. He transferred into Paul VI at over 300 lbs, but the school has a good strength and conditioning coach working with him. He's billed as a relentless worker. He averaged 9 PPG and 13 RPG his junior season and was a key factor in a double overtime win over Oak Hill (13 and 19, with 2 free throws to seal it). Twitter: @Dont_Hate_Q

Delshon Strickland: Holy Angels, Minneapolis, MN - SG: 6-4, 180. Offers: SLU, Richmond, Rhode Island, Virginia Tech, Missouri State, Drake, Toledo, Lehigh, Vermont, North Dakota, Northern Colorado, Hampton. Interest: Butler, Gonzaga, Texas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Iowa State, Northwestern, Florida State, Washington State, Northern Iowa, Utah State. Latest (6/28): Strickland has picked up a SLU offer, one week after receiving one from Missouri State and two weeks after Virginia Tech. Twitter: Delshon_11

Andre Walker: Bullis School, Clarksville, MD - C: 6-10, 210. Offers: SLU, VCU, Xavier, DePaul, Cincinnati, Temple, UMass, George Mason, SMU, Fairfield, Delaware. Interest: Georgetown, Indiana, Kansas, NC State, Maryland, Miami. Latest (6/6): Walker now has offers from VCU and DePaul. Previous: This guy is hard to Google. Xavier recently had a player by the same name, and there's another HS recruit with the same name. He wears rec specs. Twitter: @Andre_Walker21

Hunter Ware: North Cobb Christian, Kennesaw, GA - PG: 6-2, 165. Offers: SLU, Murray State, Cornell, Brown, Tennessee Tech, Jacksonville, Gardner-Webb, Appalachian State, Stetson, Radford, Middle Tennessee, Georgia Southern. Interest: Mizzou, Butler, Charleston, Charlotte, UAB, Nevada, Buffalo, Charleston Southern. Latest (6/19): Interesting offer list. I guess we're in early on a guy we think has more potential than shows with his current list, and I'm guessing he's also a pretty solid student with two Ivy Leage offers. He's considered one of the fastest-rising players in the state of Georgia's class of 2014. On The Radar Hoops says: "Hunter showcases a great change of speed and high basketball IQ, he constantly gets a piece of the paint and pushes the tempo off the rebound. He fills the middle and goes until he is stopped either scoring or dishing off the ball for the easy basket for his teammates." But this is my favorite profile of him. Twitter: @Hunter_Ware1

Thomas Welsh: Loyola, Los Angeles, CA - C: 7-0, 245. Offers: SLU, UCLA, Gonzaga, California, USC, Arizona State, Rice, Santa Clara, San Francisco, Pacific, Portland. Interest: Arizona, Colorado, Wake Forest, Brown, UC-Santa Barbara. Latest (7/5): Welsh picked up a UCLA offer from Steve Alford. Previous: SLU is said to be one of Welsh's early offers, which is interesting, given that he's a Southern California kid with otherwise exclusively West Coast offers. Welsh has spoken with Andy Enfield at USC quite a bit. He just recently visited Cal. He played very well at the recent Pangos All-American Camp and is now ranked #75 in Scout's 2014 rankings.

2014 Interest List:

Marcus Bartley: MacArthur, Decatur, IL - PG: 6-2, 175. Offers: Oklahoma State, SIUC, Bradley, Northwestern, Illinois State, Eastern Illinois, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Tennessee-Martin, Southeastern Louisiana, William & Mary. Interest: SLU, Mizzou, Iowa, Georgetown, Harvard, Tennessee. Latest (5/21): Northwestern is recruiting him very hard. Oklahoma State is the biggest program to offer so far but he may be on the cusp of a few more. Twitter: @MB3_Dreamville

Aaron Brennan: Guerin Catholic, Noblesville, IN - PF: 6-6, 200. Offers: Indiana State, Loyola-Chicago, Belmont, Cornell, Columbia, Toledo, IUPUI, UNC-Greensboro. Interest, SLU, Butler, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Iowa, Wright State. Latest (7/11): Brennan contracted foot-in-mouth disease last June and was quarantined for the rest of that month. He had a rough AAU season the rest of last summer after returning, sluggish from lingering effects. Several Big Ten schools have shown interest but, according to Brennan, want to see if he grows more. He just made an unofficial visit to Toledo in late June and has also visited Butler, Loyola-Chicago, and Indiana State. Twitter: @Aaron_Brennan_

Brandon Cheeks: Meadowbrook, Richmond, VA - SG: 6-1, 190. Offers: None. Interest: SLU, George Mason, Delaware, Radford. Latest (7/2): Seems to be considered a lower-tier D-I recruit at this point.

Josh Cunningham: Morgan Park, Chicago, IL - SF: 6-7, 195. Offers: Mizzou, Oklahoma, Iowa, DePaul, Nebraska, South Carolina, UMass, Bradley, Northern Illinois. Interest: SLU, Illinois, Michigan State, Minnesota, Illinois State, UIC. Latest (5/21): Cunningham opened some eyes at the recent Nike EYBL in Hampton, Virginia when he filled in for an injured 5-star player. He's said to be a gamer with explosive leaping ability and a nice 3-point stroke. Twitter: @JoshMCunningham

Mory Diane: Detroit Country Day, Franklin, MI - SG: 6-3, 170. Offers: Detroit, Kent State, Indiana State, Toledo, Northern Illinois, Eastern Michigan, Central Connecticut. Interest: SLU, Xavier, Butler, DePaul, Michigan State, Iowa, Iowa State, Texas Tech, Ohio, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, IPFW, Robert Morris, Buffalo. Latest (7/2): Diane hopes to have his list down to 5 by the end of July or possibly just before school starts in late August. He expects a few more offers to come in by then. Billed as a strong perimeter and mid-range scorer, solid defender, and natural shooting guard with PG skills if necessary. Twitter: MDiane_20

Jacob Hammond: Home School United Prep, Oklahoma City, OK - C: 6-10, 240. Offers: Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Nebraska. Interest: SLU, Indiana, UCLA, Mizzou, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Texas A&M, Wake Forest, Creighton, Wichita State, TCU, Tulsa, Loyola-Marymount, Navy. Latest (6/25): Hammond previously committed to Oklahoma but recently backed out. He reportedly played very well at the Pangos Camp. He has played his three years of HS basketball at three different schools in Oklahoma and Kansas. Twitter: @J_ham_24

Avery Johnson, Jr.: Cooper, The Woodlands, TX - PG: 5-9, 173. Interest: SLU, LaSalle, Baylor, LSU, Rutgers, Florida State, Rice, Charleston, Santa Clara, Bucknell, Columbia. Latest (7/2): LaSalle has contacted him. Previous: Johnson has visited SLU but called Baylor his leader at one point. He now says Baylor, SLU, and LSU are recruiting hardest. He has only visited Baylor and SLU so far. The son of former NBA player and coach Avery Johnson, he recently made headlines when he Tweeted taunts at the Nets after losing to the Bulls in the playoffs (his dad coached the Nets before being fired).Twitter: @itsaveryjohnson

Jalyn Patterson: Montverde Academy, Alpharetta, GA - PG: 5-11, 170. Offers: George Mason, Minnesota, Georgia Tech, Auburn, Georgia, Georgia State. Interest: SLU, Houston, Tennessee, Florida State, South Carolina, Charleston, Tennessee Tech, Georgia Southern, Kennesaw State. Latest (5/29): Of the three schools recruiting him hardest lately, he says, “I am planning on trying to get out to St. Louis and George Mason and probably Houston,” he said. “I am still thinking about other schools and choosing which schools I would like to visit but those are three that I am definitely hoping to get to.” Twitter: @jalynpatterson

Darreon Reddick: Belleville East, Belleville, IL - PG: 6-3, 200. Offers: DePaul, Valpo, Missouri State, Detroit, Toledo, Indiana State, IUPUI. Interest: SLU, Mizzou, Butler, Michigan, Xavier, Tennessee, Iowa, SIUC. Latest (5/21): Reddick visited Valpo with C.J. Rivers and both picked up offers. Twitter: @_14Reddick

C.J. Rivers: Cahokia, Cahokia, IL - PG: 6-2, 180. Offers: SIUC, SIUE, Miami-Ohio, Valpo, Toledo, Cornell, Brown, UIC, Wright State, Northern Kentucky. Interest: SLU, Illinois, Mizzou, Xavier, Tennessee, Drake. Latest (5/22): Rivers will visit Drake on June 12. Previous: Rivers visited Valpo with Reddick and both picked up offers. Rivers has visited SLU already. Twitter: @Cj_Rivers05

Marial Shayok: Blair Academy, Blairstown, NJ - SF: 6-6, 205. Offers: Marquette, Villanova, Seton Hall, Providence, LaSalle, Cincinnati, Boston College, Minnesota, Rutgers, Kansas State, West Virginia, Texas A&M, Georgia. Interest: SLU, VCU, Dayton, Illinois, Purdue, Gonzaga. Latest (7/8): Shayok picked up a Marquette offer. Previous: In early June, Shayok listed West Virginia, Providence, Boston College, VCU, Cincinnati, and SLU as the schools recruiting him the hardest. He said Minnesota, Rutgers, Kansas State, Seton Hall, and Villanova are also in the mix. He has not decided on any visits yet and doesn't plan to do so until August. He is considered one of the most athletic wings in the class of 2014. He's from a big-time basketball family: His father played at Dayton, his sister plays at Detroit, and his brother just transferred to UMKC from Bradley. Twitter: ToOffical_11

Dmitri Thompson: Orlando Christian, Orlando, FL - SG: 6-4, 185. Offers: Purdue, Miami, Oklahoma State, Mississippi, Georgia, South Florida, Central Florida, Murray State, Georgia Southern. Interest: SLU, Georgetown, Butler, Kansas State, Virginia, Alabama. Twitter: @BigMeech_2014

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I suspect previous coaches offered a lot more than we knew. Seemed like our program was always under some kind of CIA like silent mandate. Plus, with twitter the kids are able to brag and talk about their suitors a lot more open to the point there are few secrets anymore. C

I agree. Twitter has totally changed how easy it is to find out who has been offered. And its not just kids, its their coaches that want it to be known that player XYZ has been offered, or is on campus, or head-coach ABC was in to check on a kid, etc.

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One thing to note too is that "offer" can have a lot of different meanings. For example, I'm not sure we've actually offered Strickland and Austin. It's hard to know exactly what constitutes a scholarship offer without being there for the conversation.

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I don't see where we have soooo many offers out there. We have 4 to give and 17 offers. I say the more the merrier. If I was a kid and I was leaning SLU and saw that they have 3,4, or 5 other kids out there at my position ... it might make me make a decision. Especially if I know they are just looking for 1 more from my position.

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Offers by position:

PG: 4

SG: 3

SF: 3

PF: 3

C: 4

Offers by state:

IL: 4

MO, CA, MN: 2 each

KY, NC, IN, NY, VA, MD, GA: 1 each

The positions are blurry, depending on whether certain guys grow or will play a different position than in HS. In terms of geography, our offer list has really spread out over the past couple months. It was heavily concentrated in IL before.

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I see that he is originally from Evansville and went to DePauw. Perhaphs somebody on this board who really, really knows what is going in on the state of Indiana could fill us in on a few more details... B)

Brad Stevens' alma mater

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