Bobby Metzinger Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 ...is an absolute idiot... Surprisingly, however, he still considers Saint Louis U. a bubble team…albeit barely.“Saint Louis is starting to play itself off the bubble. The one thing they’re lacking is a quality win away from home (road or neutral site),” Palm said.Doug Vaughn followed up.“So, they’re not off the bubble yet?”“Not quite,” Palm said.One of the reasons for the response that---I think---many locally would find surprising considering the manner with which the Billikens have been beating the hell out of teams over the last month is because Palm doesn’t necessarily consider VCU to be a great win. As a matter of fact, he said VCU is now in trouble.“VCU is kind of sliding on down to the bubble. They haven’t gotten that big win yet. That Butler game (March 2nd) is really a big game for VCU, because they need that signature win, and Butler could do that for them.” Go Palm yourself, Jerry. Regards, Billikens.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Eh. Palm is on the bubble himself as far as bracket predictions go. He is a middle of the road blogger with very few signature wins and a completely mediocre record over the past 5 years. http://bracketproject.50webs.com/rankings.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastBilliken Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 nm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 ...is an absolute idiot...Go Palm yourself, Jerry. Regards, Billikens.com I listened to that interview and thought it was mighty interesting that he had Mizzou as a "lock," but we were still on the bubble because we didn't have any good wins away from home. Double standard much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Everyone has their own definition of a team on the bubble and teams that are "locks", but the reality remains that if we lose 3 of the final 5 and then lose in the first round of the A-10 tourney, we will not be in the NCAA tourney. I sure don't consider us a lock given this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Everyone has their own definition of a team on the bubble and teams that are "locks", but the reality remains that if we lose 3 of the final 5 and then lose in the first round of the A-10 tourney, we will not be in the NCAA tourney.I sure don't consider us a lock given this. +1 however i just dont see 3 losses in our future. watch the masses turn on crews like crazy if that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 if we win tomorrow, we wont lose another game in the regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Everyone has their own definition of a team on the bubble and teams that are "locks", but the reality remains that if we lose 3 of the final 5 and then lose in the first round of the A-10 tourney, we will not be in the NCAA tourney. I sure don't consider us a lock given this. Yeah I agree. We have 3 out of the next 5 on the road against Butler, GW, and X. Im expecting to win 2 of those games but wouldnt be shocked if we go winless. Still a lot of work to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 i have more confidence in tomorrow than i do vs lasalle. lasalle is the game that scares me. there is no preparing for unorganized havoc. take their frenzy, add three horrible refs and who knows what happens. vs butler, i believe stevens will rely on just playing better and being more prepared than he was in st louis. we just have to bring our top defense and we beat butler again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 if we win tomorrow, we wont lose another game in the regular season. -I share this view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 . Im expecting to win 2 of those games but wouldnt be shocked if we go winless. Still a lot of work to do. I would be extremely shocked and devestated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARon Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Hopefully the team doesn't take LaSalle as lightly as the people on this board are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 If we beat Butler and get ranked I fear both the Lasalle game and the X game. Suddenly we become a path to redemption for x and a shot at a signature win for LaSalle....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 McKernan actually read an angry anti-Palm tweet from 'Bobby Metzinger' on the air this morning. re: Palm He is a special one. If you plotted human intelligence on one axis and nerd factor on the other axis, Jerry Palm would be in the extreme corner of idiot nerds. All he does is worship RPI, and ignores everything else. He doesn't have any analytical basketball expertise, and doesn't even attempt to understand computer rankings. He just looks at RPI, impressive road/neutral wins (according to RPI), losses outside of the top 100, etc... He doesn't factor in anything else. The argument is that the committee bases everything on RPI, so Palm's methods are sound. If that were true, Palm wouldn't be so mediocre compared to the elite bracketologists. Bottom line: The guy is an idiot (listen to this podcast at your own risk) who has made an entire career out of doing months and months of analysis on a flawed and and limited data set, and CBS trots him out there as this lighting rod for Internet angst. Basically he's a troll, but doesn't realize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 So essentially Palm is saying that SLU has to win @ Butler to be a lock? If you don't consider destroying Texas A&M (projected RPI 85) on a neutral floor or winning @ Richmond (projected RPI 95) to be quality wins away from home, then certainly GW (132) and Xavier (92) wouldn't qualify either. He is an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 SLU has a couple of decent road wins, but they do not have a signature road win. That will change Friday. I don't think we're a lock, but if they picked today we'd be in. I guess were in the "solid" category until we do something to prove otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 McKernan actually read an angry anti-Palm tweet from 'Bobby Metzinger' on the air this morning.re: Palm He is a special one. If you plotted human intelligence on one axis and nerd factor on the other axis, Jerry Palm would be in the extreme corner of idiot nerds. All he does is worship RPI, and ignores everything else. He doesn't have any analytical basketball expertise, and doesn't even attempt to understand computer rankings. He just looks at RPI, impressive road/neutral wins (according to RPI), losses outside of the top 100, etc... He doesn't factor in anything else. The argument is that the committee bases everything on RPI, so Palm's methods are sound. If that were true, Palm wouldn't be so mediocre compared to the elite bracketologists. Bottom line: The guy is an idiot (listen to this podcast at your own risk) who has made an entire career out of doing months and months of analysis on a flawed and and limited data set, and CBS trots him out there as this lighting rod for Internet angst. Basically he's a troll, but doesn't realize it. Seems like a long Tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 So essentially Palm is saying that SLU has to win @ Butler to be a lock? Just think how stupid you would sound trying to discuss college basketball if you never watched a game and merely relied on a simple rating system that treats a 1 point double OT win the same as a 30 point win. Last year around this time Palm was saying SLU (RPI 22 a year ago today) was on the bubble because didn't have any impressive wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 By the way, I had to use Google to find out who Jerry Palm is. Dude's a nobody. Why get worked up over his predictions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Just beat Butler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Seems like a long Tweet. that was my anti-Palm rant, I just mentioned the McKernan radio Metz plug as an aside You can listen to the McKernan audio here (segment 4, 4:00 mark) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Duff Man" data-cid="344932" data-time="1361461237"><p> McKernan actually read an angry anti-Palm tweet from 'Bobby Metzinger' on the air this morning.<br /> <br /> re: Palm<br /> <br /> He is a special one. If you plotted human intelligence on one axis and nerd factor on the other axis, Jerry Palm would be in the extreme corner of idiot nerds.<br /> <br /> All he does is worship RPI, and ignores everything else. He doesn't have any analytical basketball expertise, and doesn't even attempt to understand computer rankings. He just looks at RPI, impressive road/neutral wins (according to RPI), losses outside of the top 100, etc... He doesn't factor in anything else.<br /> <br /> The argument is that the committee bases everything on RPI, so Palm's methods are sound. If that were true, Palm wouldn't be so <a href='http://bracketproject.50webs.com/rankings.html'>mediocre</a> compared to the elite bracketologists.<br /> <br /> Bottom line: The guy is an idiot (<a href='http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21709459/podcast-jerry-palm-gabs-bubble-and-unprecedented-bracket-volatility'>listen to this podcast at your own risk</a>) who has made an entire career out of doing months and months of analysis on a flawed and and limited data set, and CBS trots him out there as this lighting rod for Internet angst. Basically he's a troll, but doesn't realize it.</p></blockquote> This was my tweet; @bobbymetzinger: @tmckernan @insidestl I've never read so much bull**** in my life. The Billikens are not a bubble team. This guy is a phony. #GoBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 that was my anti-Palm rant, I just mentioned the McKernan radio Metz plug as an asideYou can listen to the McKernan audio here (segment 4, 4:00 mark) Got it. Palm doesn't know what he's talking about. He was way off last year and he's way off this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BACKHANDtheRICAN Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Yeah I agree. We have 3 out of the next 5 on the road against Butler, GW, and X. Im expecting to win 2 of those games but wouldnt be shocked if we go winless. Still a lot of work to do. Westy- Get some god damn confidence! Did Richmond not teach you anything? Get a winning attitude. Public apology now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbizzle09 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Jerry Palm is the equivalent of one of us message board guys giving our opinion...except that he uses less facts to back up his case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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