JettFlight5 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Well said Doc. I just used the thread to show my distrust/dislike of Father Biondi's leadership. I agree that students remember the faculty they dealt with. I know I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillikenFriar Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 + 1 Frankly, I think some of youse guys ought to stick to basketball, cuz this is way more complicated than you realize... And I know I'll get hammered by the usual suspects as some sort of socialist or worse... but professors are not the bad guys in this scenario. They (and I) are just sick and tired of being sick and tired of the same old same old--despite all the warm and colorful flowers and trees being planted every year. I've been a good boy for a pretty long time on this board, so it's difficult to know where to begin, or what to say. . . .but for starters, as one person mentioned: you might want to read and think about the contents of the 16-page letter delivered by the Faculty Senate to the Board, for a lengthy listing of very serious mistakes/ and at times unethical actions by the present administration. these are rather serious and yet all I keep hearing about are the wonderful grounds and buildings, and how bad midtown used to be. I love the campus, but I suggest you go visit Florence. the churches and buildings there are also sublime. but they are empty on Sunday mornings, pretty much. splendid buildings do not a church make; and neither do splendid campuses. I'll just repeat what another person said: the faculty IS the university; not the nice flowers and great basketball stadium (which I like a lot, by the way). Maybe that's how it works at a major bank, or a Fortune 500 company (the "real world," as someone will now say): autocratic, vindictive iron-fisted rule behind closed doors; fear and loathing haunting the halls and stairwells; very real stories of colleagues being made to suffer for disagreeing or airing out grievances; colleagues from all over the country calling us or emailing us and asking, "What the hell is going on at SLU??" -- but I've given some of the best years of my life to SLU, and I can tell you the crisis is very real; and I and other faculty are deserving of some (genuine) part of the decision making process, and many, many things done under the "SLU Mission Statement" premise are simply wrong. Believe me, when students wax eloquent about their memories of SLU and the people who "changed their lives,' well, it generally isn't the administrators they mention (Chaifetz aside). And I get tired of good natured and intelligent alumni--like on here-- not seeming to understand any of that. so think back: who changed your life at SLU (if anyone): was it a (marginalized and underpaid) faculty member? OK, hammer away.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 For someone that is so much in favor of a good representative of the university, I can't believe you don't want Biondi gone. From the stories I have heard of him, his actions don't represent the SLU community very well at all, especially for a priest. biondi has accomplished a hell of a lot more good than bad. saint louis university is what it is because of father biondi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Frankly, I think some of youse guys ought to stick to basketball, cuz this is way more complicated than you realize... And I know I'll get hammered by the usual suspects as some sort of socialist or worse... but professors are not the bad guys in this scenario. They (and I) are just sick and tired of being sick and tired of the same old same old--despite all the warm and colorful flowers and trees being planted every year. I've been a good boy for a pretty long time on this board, so it's difficult to know where to begin, or what to say. . . .but for starters, as one person mentioned: you might want to read and think about the contents of the 16-page letter delivered by the Faculty Senate to the Board, for a lengthy listing of very serious mistakes/ and at times unethical actions by the present administration. these are rather serious and yet all I keep hearing about are the wonderful grounds and buildings, and how bad midtown used to be. I love the campus, but I suggest you go visit Florence. the churches and buildings there are also sublime. but they are empty on Sunday mornings, pretty much. splendid buildings do not a church make; and neither do splendid campuses. I'll just repeat what another person said: the faculty IS the university; not the nice flowers and great basketball stadium (which I like a lot, by the way). Maybe that's how it works at a major bank, or a Fortune 500 company (the "real world," as someone will now say): autocratic, vindictive iron-fisted rule behind closed doors; fear and loathing haunting the halls and stairwells; very real stories of colleagues being made to suffer for disagreeing or airing out grievances; colleagues from all over the country calling us or emailing us and asking, "What the hell is going on at SLU??" -- but I've given some of the best years of my life to SLU, and I can tell you the crisis is very real; and I and other faculty are deserving of some (genuine) part of the decision making process, and many, many things done under the "SLU Mission Statement" premise are simply wrong. Believe me, when students wax eloquent about their memories of SLU and the people who "changed their lives,' well, it generally isn't the administrators they mention (Chaifetz aside). And I get tired of good natured and intelligent alumni--like on here-- not seeming to understand any of that. so think back: who changed your life at SLU (if anyone): was it a (marginalized and underpaid) faculty member? OK, hammer away.... i think if you believe that the teachers cant be replaced both in quantity and quality you are naive. i do agree that the majority of the teachers are likely stellar educators. but that can be said at most universities. the university is not the teachers alone. it is a combination of everything and the party(ies) responsible for coordinating all is the reason saint louis university is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 biondi has accomplished a hell of a lot more good than bad. saint louis university is what it is because of father biondi. On a lesser level, but couldn't the same be said about RM? I think that is the comparison the poster was getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp18 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 On a lesser level, but couldn't the same be said about RM? I think that is the comparison the poster was getting at. +1,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 More drama... http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/st-louis-u-faculty-enraged-by-trustees-inaction/article_c600b236-ba08-5b69-8462-7d58d87a572c.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Biondi's not going anywhere. Seems like nothing changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlumniFan Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 More drama... http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/st-louis-u-faculty-enraged-by-trustees-inaction/article_c600b236-ba08-5b69-8462-7d58d87a572c.html Don't believe everything you read in the paper on this. There are some people who have their own agendas...and they are not currently helping the University, its students, alumni or other stakeholders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD3 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 What are you talking about? Do nothing until 2012? Fr. Biondi sure deserves his share of criticism but to marginalize 25 years of his true accomplishments and then to state that "any reasonable" administrator would have done the same is just plain wrong. Most administrators keep the status quo. Fr. Biondi has done the complete opposite. +1 Biondi is polarzing, but by no means ineffective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grunky Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 blah blah blah, just get us into the C7 you miserable old fart (: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Wash U. just hired this guy -- http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2013/02/5121aefd75d32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk18 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 drama.... - The Theology Dept Chair resigns as chair and now the tenured faculty refuse to fill the position... - The A&S Faculty Council said that Faculty Senate Vice President Jane Turner “reported hostile environment” from the Board of Directors. But Dr. Turner herself "played down the affair in an email, saying she would not characterize trustees’ reaction as hostile." This is after Faculty Senate President said in an interview with the Post Dispatch: "We all need to move on.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk18 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 This is the mass email Hammond (Theo Dept Chair) sent out: The Chair of the Department of Theological Studies, Professor Jay Hammond, has resigned in protest over Fr. Biondi's ongoing leadership of this university, and the Board of Trustees' failure in its 11 February 2013 communication to address the no confidence votes against the president of Saint Louis University. Attached is his explanation for his decision. The tenured faculty of the Department of Theological Studies met on 19 February 2013, and in a unanimous vote, declined to fill the chair's position in solidarity with him, and in support of his reasons for resigning. The faculty statement is also attached here. Attachments: http://www.scribd.com/doc/126666364/Hammond-Explanation-of-Resignation-021913 http://www.scribd.com/doc/126666367/Response-of-Department-of-Theological-Studies-Tenured-Faculty-021913 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Wash U. just hired this guy -- http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2013/02/5121aefd75d32 Quite a contrast between Wash U. and SLU. They're halfway to raising $2.2 billion in their capital drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk18 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 blah blah blah, just get us into the C7 you miserable old fart (: Truth is that if SLU gets in with the C7 he will have a lot of security going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills10 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I had Hammond for my capstone and he is PHENOMENAL. This lends a huge amount of credibility to the faculty's opinion. Biondi needs to get us into the conference and then gtfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Probably not his call, but SLU waited way too long to cancel classes today. 90% of students are done with classes by 3 pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grunky Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I had Hammond for my capstone and he is PHENOMENAL. This lends a huge amount of credibility to the faculty's opinion. Biondi needs to get us into the conference and then gtfo i disagree... i got an A in Hammond's class, but he surprised me with an 'AF' (attendance failure) right before christmas break. i didn't really care, but still... who cares about attendance?????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 i disagree... i got an A in Hammond's class, but he surprised me with an 'AF' (attendance failure) right before christmas break. i didn't really care, but still... who cares about attendance?????????? I am sure your parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills10 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 i disagree... i got an A in Hammond's class, but he surprised me with an 'AF' (attendance failure) right before christmas break. i didn't really care, but still... who cares about attendance?????????? This is why you dont think. He is a great professor? I do have to admit that I never missed that or many other classes, so I did not get an AF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I had Hammond for my capstone and he is PHENOMENAL. This lends a huge amount of credibility to the faculty's opinion. Biondi needs to get us into the conference and then gtfo I had Hammond when he was a first-year prof for a theology requirement called "The Matrix and Religion." It was a summer class so about 35 students enrolled thinking all we would do is get high, watch the Matrix trilogy and talk about Jesus. Well, there was about eight required texts and six 10-page papers over the length of the course. At the end of the summer, there were five people left... we took the blue pill. He was an incredibly challenging and demanding professor and other than Dr. Thomas Shippey over in A&S, had the driest sense of humor on campus. You either meshed well with him or you GTFO of that class. Hammond was, without a doubt, the best lay theology professor I've ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikens747 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Article on "Alumni for No Confidence" banner at tonight's game. http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/365616/3/Saint-Louis-University-alumni-plan-to-fly-banner-with-message-about-Father-Lawrence-Biondi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I'm tearing that fuoker down. Ain't nobody got time for their bull**** overahadowing this tem. Fuok each and every one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkieBilliken Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I'm tearing that fuoker down. Ain't nobody got time for their bull**** overahadowing this tem. Fuok each and every one of them +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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