BigBills Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 As far as free throws go, I know it's tough to shoot them with tired legs, crowd noise, situational pressure, etc. but as far as I'm concerned, they're called FREE throws for a reason. 8-19 at UMass is indefensible. I don't like to take the anti-NBA approach, but I honestly think a lot of these guys see the success that a Shaq has without having any ability from the line and think they can get by with the same mediocrity. Just look at Sunday's Bulls-Heat game...Lebron and DRose both missed huge free throws in the final minutes, and yet they're still revered as some of the greatest players in the world. Our guys see that and have no motivation to get any better. I personally think Majerus isn't upset enough about it. He always seems to shrug missed FTs off like they're nothing. In the quote at the beginning of the thread he says something to the effect of not caring about missed shots. Well, not that my opinion matters, but I sure as hell care about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Roy. Believe you're off base on this one. As pointed out, RM did take blame and yet you act like he didn't. IMO, RM took more than his share of blame for not having the team more mentally prepared for the first half. Our same players executed and played much better (both defense and offense) in the second half. Had we played, as a team, in the second half like we did in the first half, we would have won by double digits. As to RM, coaches can only prepare, motivate and put players in position to succeed. We were NOT down by 19 or 20 at halftime b/c RM was, as you suggest, slow to make an obvious adjustment of putting DE on Putney. Neither BC nor DE nor any other Billiken guarded Putney or anyone else alone. Instead, our help-side defense was often slow to react or just not there. BC did not even start the game and no way did RM expect Putney to have such a first half. 65% is just not normal and few teams will win on the road, especially in conference, when the home team hits 65%. We also had 15 turnovers (believe 9 or 10 in the first half) and that cannot be blamed on RM. As also pointed out, KM did a better job on Williams in the second half. Same personnel and coaching scheme but different desire and execution. RM is not to blame for KM's defense in the first half. Regarding the part in bold, you obviously mean the opposite. If the Bills had done what you wrote, they would have lost by 50! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 In watching the team and thinking about this, I think the missed bunnies are the product of concern that the shot is going to get blocked. I don't know how Coach handles that, except to just say forget about the block, don't worry about getting swatted. Go up strong and confident. I think the UMass crowd and team rattled SLU in the first half. It reminded me of misadventures under Spoon at the then Shoemaker Center at Cincinnati, when UC would impose its will on SLU, or worse in the Dark Ages at places like Freedom Hall in Louisville. However, UMass is not those Cincinnati or Louisville teams, and SLU under Coach Majerus, an outstanding bench coach, and as we expected here, came out and made a game of it in the second half. I was reminded of Majerus' mentor, the late Al McGuire, who preached about getting the lead under 10, and I said we need to get it under 10 at the 10 minute mark. SLU exceeded that- got it there with 14 minutes left. SLU was within 5 points with 5 minutes left. SLU was done in by poor free throw shooting and that key foul against Chaz Williams at shot clock expiration when he was launching the desperation 3. UMass is not that good, and is ripe to be taken in the A-10 Tournament. The Billikens need to be confident, play freely like they did in Anaheim. SLU looked like a Top 20 team in Anaheim. So it is there. And our SLU team looks so much better when it is hitting its shots, to state the obvious. -so BAB, the Bills played great when you were in attendance, how are you going to make the remaining games?? or were you also at lmu game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 -so BAB, the Bills played great when you were in attendance, how are you going to make the remaining games?? or were you also at lmu game? I'm afraid I was at that LMU game in LA. I was at the Arkansas State, Texas Southern, and George Washington home games. SLU is 3-1 at the games I've seen in person. But I am also including all the games I've watched SLU play on TV, real good ones, which include the 76 Classic in Anaheim and Washington, when the Billikens played like a Top 20 team, as well as 2 losses I watched on TV (Temple and UMass). We will be at Chaifetz Arena for the Fordham game on Feb. 18, and we are very much looking forward to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 We will be at Chaifetz Arena for the Fordham game on Feb. 18, and we are very much looking forward to it. Bay, I'm hopefully coming to Napa Valley in the spring or early summer. I like spending the coldest winters of my life in N.Cali. Will be making a stop over in SF for a couple of days. Is that where you're located? If so, lets have a drink or... two...or three... or hell let's make it five and I promise not to wear my NY Giants hat (your SF fans make death threats). My record for seeing the Bills in person recently... well, quite honestly, it sucks. 0-2 in Charlotte (both of those I'll lay on Tarheel, or Big Al as I call him), 0-1 at the Dean Dome, 0-1 at the Fetz (this one really hurt since I drove 1800 friggin miles and didn't fly, Thanks F. Dunphy). I'm thinking maybe I should stay away from ACity, but then again Taj Mahal was in DC for that 20 point egg and he's still not bought us a Miracle in Memphis in ACity, which he attends like Sunday Mass. I did see 'em whomp UL in Louisville in 2000 by 20 and that one probably drove the nail in Crum's coffin and also had a talk with the Dali Lama (not in Louisville), so at least I got that going for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doowop Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I think last year destroyed Kyle. He was forced to be "the man" for a time, and he isn't that type of player. His confidence to shoot is long gone.In his senior year in high school, Cassity carried his team. I watched him play so well in the state tournament and I was hoping we would sign him. He was that type of player. I don't know why he changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 In his senior year in high school, Cassity carried his team. I watched him play so well in the state tournament and I was hoping we would sign him. He was that type of player. I don't know why he changed.High School and Division 1 basketball are two different monsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Bay, I'm hopefully coming to Napa Valley in the spring or early summer. I like spending the coldest winters of my life in N.Cali. Will be making a stop over in SF for a couple of days. Is that where you're located? If so, lets have a drink or... two...or three... or hell let's make it five and I promise not to wear my NY Giants hat (your SF fans make death threats). My record for seeing the Bills in person recently... well, quite honestly, it sucks. 0-2 in Charlotte (both of those I'll lay on Tarheel, or Big Al as I call him), 0-1 at the Dean Dome, 0-1 at the Fetz (this one really hurt since I drove 1800 friggin miles and didn't fly, Thanks F. Dunphy). I'm thinking maybe I should stay away from ACity, but then again Taj Mahal was in DC for that 20 point egg and he's still not bought us a Miracle in Memphis in ACity, which he attends like Sunday Mass. I did see 'em whomp UL in Louisville in 2000 by 20 and that one probably drove the nail in Crum's coffin and also had a talk with the Dali Lama (not in Louisville), so at least I got that going for me. By all means, give me a call when you are out here. We live in the East Bay, Contra Costa County, which is one of the 9 SF Bay Area counties. Perhaps we can get Sonoma Bob to join us. I'll send you a PM with my contact info. We actually have Oakland Raiders season tickets, and my son went to Fordham, so you can wear your NY Giants gear safely in this household. Maybe we can go to a SF Giants baseball game when you are here, or the Oakland A's, depending upon which one is at home when you are here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoma bob Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Count me in 72. I live next mountain over from Napa Valley. I want to hear about the Dali Lama and get together with BAB again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Point of information ---- I hav ebeen toi jsut about every Billiken tournament including Indy for the old Midwest Cities Conference, Dayton for the old Great Midwest, Birmingham and Louisville and Cincy for those as well as CUSA, Cincy for the A10 and now Atlantic City. I also saw the NCAA appearance in Baltimore aginst Tim Duncan and comapny. The two I chose to NOT go to were Memphis and Milwaukee (when Claggs and Co. lost to Cincy). I can pick 'em! Praying the Trop sends me a package deal. Two nights at the Trop for the Friday/Saturday nights on the boards are $420 per room. @kshoe: check in the mail for your half of our room, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 -i listened to Rick on with frank and martin, i thought it was a good listen -THANKS to whoever posted about him being on, i like that podcast feature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David King Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Point of information ---- I hav ebeen toi jsut about every Billiken tournament including Indy for the old Midwest Cities Conference, Dayton for the old Great Midwest, Birmingham and Louisville and Cincy for those as well as CUSA, Cincy for the A10 and now Atlantic City. I also saw the NCAA appearance in Baltimore aginst Tim Duncan and comapny. The two I chose to NOT go to were Memphis and Milwaukee (when Claggs and Co. lost to Cincy). I believe there was a CUSA tournament in Chicago too. Bills were one and done; lost on Thurs. afternoon before I even got there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Point of information ---- I hav ebeen toi jsut about every Billiken tournament including Indy for the old Midwest Cities Conference, Dayton for the old Great Midwest, Birmingham and Louisville and Cincy for those as well as CUSA, Cincy for the A10 and now Atlantic City. I also saw the NCAA appearance in Baltimore aginst Tim Duncan and comapny. The two I chose to NOT go to were Memphis and Milwaukee (when Claggs and Co. lost to Cincy). I can pick 'em! Praying the Trop sends me a package deal. Two nights at the Trop for the Friday/Saturday nights on the boards are $420 per room. @kshoe: check in the mail for your half of our room, right? You gotta stop going to the tournaments - we need to do well this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Id like to point out I was at both the milwaukee tourney and miracle in memphis. And conversely have never been to atlantic city. Slu should pay to keep taj away and limo me to the front row. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbizzle09 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 As far as free throws go, I know it's tough to shoot them with tired legs, crowd noise, situational pressure, etc. but as far as I'm concerned, they're called FREE throws for a reason. 8-19 at UMass is indefensible. I don't like to take the anti-NBA approach, but I honestly think a lot of these guys see the success that a Shaq has without having any ability from the line and think they can get by with the same mediocrity. Just look at Sunday's Bulls-Heat game...Lebron and DRose both missed huge free throws in the final minutes, and yet they're still revered as some of the greatest players in the world. Our guys see that and have no motivation to get any better. I personally think Majerus isn't upset enough about it. He always seems to shrug missed FTs off like they're nothing. In the quote at the beginning of the thread he says something to the effect of not caring about missed shots. Well, not that my opinion matters, but I sure as hell care about them. I will say that Derrick Rose has a career free throw percentage of 82% and this year it is at 86.6%, which is very good. For the most part, NBA players are FAR better free throw shooters than college players. For every bad free throw shooter that you can point out in the NBA, there are typically 10 others who are great at the line, especially when it comes to guards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Id like to point out I was at both the milwaukee tourney and miracle in memphis. And conversely have never been to atlantic city. Slu should pay to keep taj away and limo me to the front row. ;-) We are talking about SLU here. Would you settle for a horse and buggy or possibly a segway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 You keep me away and the alumni age bounces back up to 72 ... and larry72 ain't been there yet. I keep going to tournaments-- I'm addicted. And I get to room with kshoe (who's apparently ignoring me!). Already tyrying to fdigure out Brookjlyn and the Barclay Center. Got I'm stoopid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 You keep me away and the alumni age bounces back up to 72 ... and larry72 ain't been there yet. I keep going to tournaments-- I'm addicted. And I get to room with kshoe (who's apparently ignoring me!). Already tyrying to fdigure out Brookjlyn and the Barclay Center. Got I'm stoopid! actually taj i got two more years self imposed suspension (2012 and 2013) before i return to the conf tourney. so i guess you need to step up your record. i cant help you yet. i just hope you're still alive when i return in 14. you being a lot older and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doowop Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 High School and Division 1 basketball are two different monsters.That does not mean his attitude had to change. He may not have been able to be as successful as he was in high school, but D1 ball does not necessarily make a player change his or her agressiveness. I know there is a huge difference between high school and D1 basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.B. Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 That does not mean his attitude had to change. He may not have been able to be as successful as he was in high school, but D1 ball does not necessarily make a player change his or her agressiveness. I know there is a huge difference between high school and D1 basketball. I agree, most good high school players dont come to college and become big *******. Sometimes they do not develop into the players they were thought to be but if their game or mindset changes it usually helps the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 That does not mean his attitude had to change. He may not have been able to be as successful as he was in high school, but D1 ball does not necessarily make a player change his or her agressiveness. I know there is a huge difference between high school and D1 basketball.I dont think it's aggressiveness it's talent level and physicallity. Players have to work harder to get up and down the court and wears players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Another point of information: while I am Taj79, if roy followed the same signin technique in his handle, he'd be Roy80. Besides .... I feel 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I dont think it's aggressiveness it's talent level and physicallity. Players have to work harder to get up and down the court and wears players. KC's security detail is billikenfan05. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I'm not even referring to KC you moron. When he gets to the line he makes his free throws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Another point of information: while I am Taj79, if roy followed the same signin technique in his handle, he'd be Roy80. Besides .... I feel 12. I thought he was Roy81. In any event, by that naming protocol, should I be bonwich78.5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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