willie Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 What about Dan Majerle? He has built a respectable program at Grand Canyon quickly despite being ineligible for the NCAA Tournament. Not enough sun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Tim Jankovich's name hasn't been mentioned. The more I think about it, he will probably be a top candidate for the job. He might be the top candidate for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shempie Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Tim Jankovich's name hasn't been mentioned. The more I think about it, he will probably be a top candidate for the job. He might be the top candidate for the job. Head coach in waiting at SMU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Head coach in waiting at SMU. That has never stopped anyone from moving on before. I guess the question is, how long is he willing to wait Brown to move on or die? My guess is he would bolt for a job that is basically at the same level as SMU if you are going to pay him enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I am not saying Jankovich would be my top choice, but he just feels like the kind of guy that SLU would go after. Not too expensive, a track record of some success as a head coach, knows the midwest, someone they think can quickly turn around the recruiting situation, etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwbills Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I would say Larry has one more year after this year at SMU, then he will be done, plus I am sure Larry negotiated some pretty big payouts for his assistants. On a side note, Jankovich has a son who is a sophmore in HS who is pretty talented, 6'3 sharp shooter, averaging about 15 ppg and 3 made three pointers per game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 Jank is making a lot there - like Crews type salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwyjibo Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Jank is making a lot there - like Crews type salary. $700,000+ as an assistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Jank is making a lot there - like Crews type salary. When I say not too expensive, I mean like the money it would take to hire a guy like Drew. They would have to pay an insane amount to get him to come to SLU. I don't see them paying that kind of money. I do think they will be willing to pay a guy they determine to be the right fit more than they are paying Crews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 On a side note, Jankovich has a son who is a sophmore in HS who is pretty talented, 6'3 sharp shooter, averaging about 15 ppg and 3 made three pointers per game. Worked for Creighton with McDermott and Oregon State with Tinkle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Tim Jankovich's name hasn't been mentioned. The more I think about it, he will probably be a top candidate for the job. He might be the top candidate for the job. What in his resume makes you think he's a top candidate? Am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 What in his resume makes you think he's a top candidate? Am I missing something? People think he is one of the best recruiters in the country. I think SLU is going to go that way to try to quickly fix the talent problem. He had a good record at IL St (both made the NIT and won 21 or more games 4 out of 5 seasons). He has a long history of recruiting the Midwest. He is highly thought of in coaching circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Jank won a lot of games at ISU because he had one of the weakest schedules in the country. I would pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Jank won a lot of games at ISU because he had one of the weakest schedules in the country. I would pass. I'm not a huge Jank fan either, but tons of people seem to think the guy is a great coach. In his defense his teams at IL St had decent Pomeroy ratings except one season. 53, 62, 86, 236 and 96. My big problem with him is he performed better with Porter's players than his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Billiken Law Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 so a guy who has been dismissed from his last two jobs, left a new coach with a team that has lost 17 of their last 18, had multiple non-qualifiers, would require at least $2 million a year and hasn't coached in the midwest for 25 years is your choice. This is a shtick, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I thought RM got the assistants pay increased to be competitive? I agree these retreads are not worth talking about. By the way RM was not retread. Nope, he wasn't. He left his previous job voluntarily. When I sad retreads I'm referring to guys who were fired from their previous positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Nope, he wasn't. He left his previous job voluntarily. When I sad retreads I'm referring to guys who were fired from their previous positions. Is a guy who get fired once from a BCS job immediately labeled a "retread?" I think there are a lot of good coaches who for whatever reason don't get it done at the BCS level, but still may be very good "mid-major" coaches. Also, plenty of young hot shot coaches who get their crack at the big time fail... Josh Pastner and Dickie Pitino Jr. appear to be heading down that road. Sometimes taking a guy who has had some success prior to getting fired is better than a guy with very little track record. Everybody likes to think the "young guy" is going to be the next Brad Stevens, but that often isn't the case. The coaching trail is littered with guys who were tabbed the next big thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shempie Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Has this guy been mentioned here yet? Scott Cross at UT Arlington? http://www.utamavs.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/scott_cross_68766.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Is a guy who get fired once from a BCS job immediately labeled a "retread?" I think there are a lot of good coaches who for whatever reason don't get it done at the BCS level, but still may be very good "mid-major" coaches. Darrin Horn currently at Texas killed as HC at WKY but in 4 years at USC(e) he did do so well. Has some Mid-west ties http://texassports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=999&path=mbball Not better than Diener but intriguing. All aboard Diener Express Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Darrin Horn currently at Texas killed as HC at WKY but in 4 years at USC(e) he did do so well. Has some Mid-west ties http://texassports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=999&path=mbball Not better than Diener but intriguing. All aboard Diener Express He was too clean to succeed in the SEC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 so a guy who has been dismissed from his last two jobs, left a new coach with a team that has lost 17 of their last 18, had multiple non-qualifiers, would require at least $2 million a year and hasn't coached in the midwest for 25 years is your choice. This is a shtick, right?Lavin and St. John's couldn't come to terms on money, so they parted ways. His recruiting was great out of the gate with St. John's but took a big hit when he was diagnosed and treated for cancer. He would deserve at least $2 million a year at SLU, and the school should figure out a way to come up with that money for him. I don't give a sh¡t if he's ever coached in the midwest, he's coached Division I college basketball at two programs in big time conferences and had great success. His body of work is better than most, if not all, of those who are on the open market. No schtick here.... this program needs Coach Lavin, like the country needs President Trump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Is a guy who get fired once from a BCS job immediately labeled a "retread?" I think there are a lot of good coaches who for whatever reason don't get it done at the BCS level, but still may be very good "mid-major" coaches. Also, plenty of young hot shot coaches who get their crack at the big time fail... Josh Pastner and Dickie Pitino Jr. appear to be heading down that road. Sometimes taking a guy who has had some success prior to getting fired is better than a guy with very little track record. Everybody likes to think the "young guy" is going to be the next Brad Stevens, but that often isn't the case. The coaching trail is littered with guys who were tabbed the next big thing. It depends on the reason for the individual no longer being employed there. Bad relationship with the AD? Maybe a new AD wanted his own guy? Running from violations (e.g. Frank Haith)? How old is he and how long was he at his previous job and what was the trajectory? Was he successful with the previous coach's recruits and how did the new coach do with the guys who remained and were recruited by the previous staff. Was he a good fit at that school in terms of geography and support? How long has he been out? I look at the hiring trends in the A-10 and Big East and recent hires (our peer programs), taking into account the changing NCAA landscape which probably influenced these hires. Ordered by standings: VCU - low major (Chattanooga, after 2 successful assistant hires) Dayton - assistant Bonaventure - low major (Robert Morris) GW - low major (Vermont) Rhode Island - low major (Wagner) Duquense - low major (LIU-Brooklyn) UMass - assistant SLU - retread from Evansville and Army Fordham - low major (Eastern Kentucky) George Mason - low major (Bucknell, after BCS level retread flamed out....BCS level guy who turned down St. John's in 2010) Big East (since that's the ultimate destination goal): Xavier - assistant Seton Hall - low/mid major (Iona) Creighton - BCS coach who was about the be fired and had a all-America son to play for him Providence - low/mid major (Fairfield) Butler - assistant who was previously head coach at a low major (Gardner Webb) Marquette - assistant DePaul - retread fired from Virginia who was previously HC at DePaul St. John's - greatest player in school history, never before a head coach Not that this necessarily means anything in the grand scheme of things but I was interested in the hiring trends of our peer programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbj14 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 While Wade was a VCU assistant, they hired him out of mid major Chatanooga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Lavin and St. John's couldn't come to terms on money, so they parted ways. His recruiting was great out of the gate with St. John's but took a big hit when he was diagnosed and treated for cancer. inaccurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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