slu72 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Odds are someone, one of six freshmen or three sophomores, will transfer. Don't wish it on anyone, but transferring has become quite common in D1 ball. We should put off any speculation about transfers until season's end. Right now I don't see where any player could have a gripe about not being given a fair shot at proving he should remain at SLU. I know transferring is now the new norm when a player's feathers get ruffled, usually due to lack of minutes. So far, no Bill can use that as a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Had this thought last night... Do these games count as wins for Glaze in a historic sense? If not, John Manning will have the most wins in Billiken history... all by himself. Trip on that Manning DNP in 14 of SLU's wins his freshman year, 8 wins his soph year, 2 wins last year, and 1 win this year. Loe and McCall each missed 1 game (in each case the team won) in 4 years. Jett and Evans never missed a game. Jett and Evans are tied for the most wins. Manning trails them by 30 (12 wins for the 2010-11 team - 7 wins for this years team + the 14+8+2+1 DNP wins I listed above). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For-DaLove Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Manning DNP in 14 of SLU's wins his freshman year, 8 wins his soph year, 2 wins last year, and 1 win this year. Loe and McCall each missed 1 game (in each case the team won) in 4 years. Jett and Evans never missed a game. Jett and Evans are tied for the most wins. Manning trails them by 30 (12 wins for the 2010-11 team - 7 wins for this years team + the 14+8+2+1 DNP wins I listed above). Was Manning on the team that won all of those games? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Was Manning on the team that won all of those games? Yes. You can count those if you want a more misleading stat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doowop Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Odds are someone, one of six freshmen or three sophomores, will transfer. Don't wish it on anyone, but transferring has become quite common in D1 ball.The three sophomores are starting to play more. I believe they will stay. I hope all the freshmen stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For-DaLove Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 You can count those if you want a more misleading stat.How is that misleading? Career wins should count every win from when they were on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 If you're not going to count games that a guy DNP then you shouldn't count games where a guy only gets a couple minutes or doesn't score. Didn't contribute to those games either. Probably shouldn't count coach wins either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 If you are going to count games where they don't play, why wouldn't you count all of this year's games for Grandy? He is on the team, just not playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 If a player is eligible to play and not injured — if it's possible for him to play in the game — then the result should count towards his career record, even if he doesn't play. And it's not fair to say that the player didn't contribute to the outcome just because he got a DNP, because the preparation produces the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Well, Grandy was "eligible" and listed as "active" on the roster for all the games so far. He just wasn't dressed out. There are any number of hairs we can split here. Maybe we can try counting the games pre-surgery but not the ones after he goes under the knife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Grandy will not use a year of eligibility this season. Wins and losses should not be added to Grandy's total. It is pretty simple, wins and losses get added to your total win you burn a year of eligibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 We should put off any speculation about transfers until season's end. Right now I don't see where any player could have a gripe about not being given a fair shot at proving he should remain at SLU. I know transferring is now the new norm when a player's feathers get ruffled, usually due to lack of minutes. So far, no Bill can use that as a reason. Makes sense to have the surgery here and when school is out. He'll access to a first class ortho-surgeon and rehab. Also, if the surgery and rehab are successful and nothing opens for him at SLU, can't he go anywhere? Graduate and do a year graduate school somewhere. I am sure during the summer some school will have a open scholarship and need a strong forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 -Grandy, wishing you all the best with your surgery and recovery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 -Grandy, wishing you all the best with your surgery and recovery Yes indeed, hope you have a successful surgical procedure and a speedy recovery. Please take your time at rehab, do not hurry the process, it is very important that the shoulder heal well after the surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Grandy will not use a year of eligibility this season. Wins and losses should not be added to Grandy's total. It is pretty simple, wins and losses get added to your total win you burn a year of eligibility. Well, what if he pulls a Paul Eckerle and forgoes his fourth year of eligibility? There are about 18 different pretty simple ways to define "wins" here. It makes pitcher wins in baseball seem a lot less silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Well, what if he pulls a Paul Eckerle and forgoes his fourth year of eligibility? There are about 18 different pretty simple ways to define "wins" here. It makes pitcher wins in baseball seem a lot less silly. Should only count wins and losses for the seasons a player burns a year of eligibility. Otherwise, you could end up with a guy getting credit for six seasons of wins (initial redshirt year, medical hardship redshirt year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Should only count wins and losses for the seasons a player burns a year of eligibility. Otherwise, you could end up with a guy getting credit for six seasons of wins (initial redshirt year, medical hardship redshirt year). I agree with you, but would you say that Barnett should not be included among Loe, Evans, McCall, Jett in career wins since he was ineligible their first year? I feel like he currently is so I wonder what they'll do with Glaze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Who cares? It's an interesting yet meaningless stat. The fact that this short burst of sustained success allows for talk of such "records" is kind of pathetic. I read that Tony Romo is the first quarterback ever to have a 135 or higher QB rating over six straight games......I'm a Cowboy Fan and I couldn't care less. Wins (and NCAA wins).....all else is shadows and dust..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 I agree with you, but would you say that Barnett should not be included among Loe, Evans, McCall, Jett in career wins since he was ineligible their first year? I feel like he currently is so I wonder what they'll do with Glaze. I don't think Barnett is included with those guys for exactly that reason. Brian's definition of using a year of eligibility makes complete sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Who cares? It's an interesting yet meaningless stat. The fact that this short burst of sustained success allows for talk of such "records" is kind of pathetic. I read that Tony Romo is the first quarterback ever to have a 135 or higher QB rating over six straight games......I'm a Cowboy Fan and I couldn't care less. Wins (and NCAA wins).....all else is shadows and dust..... i wouldn't care if someone other than John Manning held the title. its ironic in many ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 i wouldn't care if someone other than John Manning held the title. its ironic in many ways Crew gets credit for being on the last undefeated team at IU....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Crew gets credit for being on the last undefeated team at IU....... in which he played in 31 of 32 games that year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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