billikenbill Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 When I was in college, the baseball players were the absolute worst. Appears things haven't changed. +1 John Rocker was more the norm than the outlier in baseball circles. My son was the batboy for a Braves farm team for two years when Rocker was in their system. He told me stuff that made his NY City comments look like child's play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Geez. How long can the curse of Denkinger plague Saint Louis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARon Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Such ignorant comments, a real embarrassment to the university. There probably is nothing that can be done to the players, though the university environment might become a lot more hostile to them. Some may leave on their own. The coaching staff will probably get the worst of it. And people wonder why African-Americans don't play baseball more. There are plenty of reasons. But in a sport predominately played by white kids from Florida, Texas, and the plains states, I'm sure these ignorant and racist temperaments are much too common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I haven't read every article linked in this thread, but I had seen something about this last week. The article I read last week suggested that at least 1 of the players in the group chat is no longer with the team. If the player(s) graduated, it makes it tougher to punish them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Such ignorant comments, a real embarrassment to the university. There probably is nothing that can be done to the players, though the university environment might become a lot more hostile to them. Some may leave on their own. The coaching staff will probably get the worst of it. And people wonder why African-Americans don't play baseball more. There are plenty of reasons. But in a sport predominately played by white kids from Florida, Texas, and the plains states, I'm sure these ignorant and racist temperaments are much too common. Nice way to paint with a broad brush in your last statement. Stereotypes are terrible, allow me to stereotype entire states of people. Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 And people wonder why African-Americans don't play baseball more. There are plenty of reasons. But in a sport predominately played by white kids from Florida, Texas, and the plains states, I'm sure these ignorant and racist temperaments are much too common. Or because it is a hard sport to play in (poorer) urban areas...either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 The "Why don't more black kids play baseball?" question is certainly a complex one, one that's been asked for quite a while now, and one with a lot of factors. This incident is probably more effect than cause, though. Regardless, black D-I high school baseball prospects aren't coming to SLU anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Nice way to paint with a broad brush in your last statement. Stereotypes are terrible, allow me to stereotype entire states of people. Dick Funny (sad) that the comments referenced in the original post don't draw your ire, but rather a comment about some people from the state of Texas gets you worked up - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 No need to derail this one with bickering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 http://twitter.com/SLUBaseball/status/722156926331539456 Nothing to see here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billslasttermdropout Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Definitely time to trot these out: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Geez. How long can the curse of Denkinger plague Saint Louis? I wondered if he was involved when I saw the headline. He wasn't on the team yet, was he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I wondered if he was involved when I saw the headline. He wasn't on the team yet, was he? He's listed as a freshman. So are both of the team's black players, interestingly enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 On Facebook Dwayne Evans posted the article with the caption "not terribly surprised." Apparently students at SLU are known for being racist...? Or is this directed mostly at the baseball team? Am i missing something? Seems like many state schools have issues with racism these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Funny (sad) that the comments referenced in the original post don't draw your ire, but rather a comment about some people from the state of Texas gets you worked up - you ACE. I don't appreciate being painted as a racist because of where I live. I don't tolerate racism so it's a grave insult thus the ire. You can't seem to glean such details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 ###### you ACE. I don't appreciate being painted as a racist because of where I live. I don't tolerate racism so it's a grave insult thus the ire. You can't seem to glean such details Unfortunately, the same people who actually believe these generalizations (elsewhere) now paint all of STL with the broad brush of "they're all racist" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Unfortunately, the same people who actually believe these generalizations (elsewhere) now paint all of STL with the broad brush of "they're all racist" Hey, don't generalize Those Same People! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Hey, don't generalize Those Same People! Touché Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I'm surprised we haven't heard from MB on his old team and favorite topic. Busy fighting for delegates in Colorado I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Lead story on Channel 4 6 p.m. news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Lead story on Channel 4 6 p.m. news. Good thing no one under 60 watches the local news anymore... in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Must be a big story if it pushed Hillary Clinton's hot sauce to a later segment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I dont agree with what was said, but this was clearly a free speech issue. I dont think SLU has any ability to discipline without creating some legal issues for them. This was a private text message conversation and not a public statement representing SLU. Free speech means the government cannot repress your speech. A private university can certainly pull your scholarship, your right to play baseball, and/or your right to attend their university, as they should. The problem is that ignorance along these lines is a learned behavior, most often from parents. We can fully expect some equally ignorant parents of players to come to the defense of their racist boys. The whole things is an unfortunate event for the university and an embarrassment to all alumni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Nice way to paint with a broad brush in your last statement. Stereotypes are terrible, allow me to stereotype entire states of people. Dick +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 I think the best comparison here is what happened at the University of Oklahoma last year, where members of a fraternity were shown singing a very racist chant in a video. Students were expelled from the school. At the time, I read several people write that since OU is a state school, the students would have a decent chance of success if they had filed suit to contest their dismissal on a free speech basis. At the same time, I remember telling people that at a private school like SLU, the school could have dismissed the students without any strong pushback on a free speech basis. I'd say that generally applies here. If this was a law school exam or bar exam question, I could write a few sentences to suggest that SLU should be subject to the same treatment as a state school, but I'd generally think SLU could dismiss the students with impunity, at least on the free speech front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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