HoosierPal Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 According to the link, (scroll to the bottom), Larry Hughes earned $84,845,538 in his 13 years in the NBA. He was the 8th pick of the 1998 draft. So a local player, playing one year at SLU, earned almost $85 million. The question is, would Larry had made more if he had gone one year to Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Missouri, or any other (now) Power 5 school. It is impossible to say either way, but with my Blue and White glasses, I think not. He would have been a component on other teams, and not necessarily the main man. The Sixers likely draft him 8th no matter where he attended. His draft position would not have improved at any other school. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hughela01.html But now, after his career is over, Larry is acknowledged as a local hero. Would he be in Lawrence Kansas, or Durham NC? Likely he would be just one of the many, and nothing special as he is here. Mr. Tatum, the money will be there. Stay home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 According to the link, (scroll to the bottom), Larry Hughes earned $84,845,538 in his 13 years in the NBA. He was the 8th pick of the 1998 draft. So a local player, playing one year at SLU, earned almost $85 million. The question is, would Larry had made more if he had gone one year to Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Missouri, or any other (now) Power 5 school. It is impossible to say either way, but with my Blue and White glasses, I think not. He would have been a component on other teams, and not necessarily the main man. The Sixers likely draft him 8th no matter where he attended. His draft position would not have improved at any other school. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hughela01.html But now, after his career is over, Larry is acknowledged as a local hero. Would he be in Lawrence Kansas, or Durham NC? Likely he would be just one of the many, and nothing special as he is here. Mr. Tatum, the money will be there. Stay home. Agree with your end result but Larry was chosen where he was in the draft, and paid accordingly, because of performances like his 40 points against Marquette. No way does Larry score 40 points or put up the individual stats he did playing for KU or Duke. Larry was not only our primary option but our secondary and third options as well. With less opportunities at KU and/or Duke, Larry still gets drafted in the first round but later IMO and therefore less money. Jason. Stay home and make more money - not less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Things are way different now than they were then. The Blue Bloods of the mid 90s were able to retain their stars for 2-3 years. Larry would have had to wait his turn to some degree - it's not like he was going to be The go to option over Paul Pierce at KU, or Jamison/Carter/Williams at UNC, or the UK team that ended his SLU career then went on to win it all. Larry's career earnings hinged on his ability to get to free agency at age 26 coming off a peak year. He almost certainly would have made significantly less money had he played 2-3 years of college ball and hit free agency at age 27 or 28, a year or two removed from his peak. Jayson's situation is different in the current landscape. On one hand, all the Blue Blood programs are geared to showcase incoming 5-star freshmen. On the other hand, the NBA draft has evolved to the point where highly touted HS recruits will get drafted following their freshman year of college pretty much no matter what happens in that one year. Short of a career ending injury, Jayson will be drafted in the first round of the 2017 NBA draft - and probably in the top half. The money will be there either way. Jayson's college decision should not be about money. Ultimately Jayson will choose between carrying on the rich basketball tradition at a perennial power or lifting his hometown program to new heights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Duff. You are way off base. First, your prediction of Jayson become a first round pick, short of injury, is stating the obvious. Of course Jayson will be a 1st rounder no matter where he goes. Second, you provide no details to support your conclusion that things are different today. In short, things are NOT different. The better programs have more talent and more options and therefore a guy like Jayson will certainly get to play, will get minutes and will get exposed to the NBA scouts … but he won't be the centerpiece of their offense and he won't put up as gaudy individual stats there as compared to a program like SLU. The second string at Kentucky this year will not be drafted as high as they would if they went elsewhere and were the best player on this other team. Third, not all first round picks make the same amount of money. In short, the higher you are drafted, the greater the money. So being drafted 20th instead of 8th results in the loss of millions of dollars.http://www.cbafaq.com/scale2011.htm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems as if FBJT comes from a nice background without monetary stressors compared to some other D1 players. For some kids they want to be drafted high and go to the blue bloods to get money to help out a single mother or struggling family. Perhaps money isn't at the forefront of tatums mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 <Short of a career ending injury,> good reading. thanks. the above part made me think; I lost a good friend to cancer last year who lived out state and the docs here in town who figured out cancer was what ailed him, said if he had lived here in the big city he would of been diagnosed better up here and would of been able to beat it with treatment. in FBJT's case the god forbid bad injury scenario if played out here he would have top line medical folks within walking distance of the good Doc's court. course thats seen thru my rose colored billikenfocals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I've heard it all at this point. FBJT should come to SLU because on the off chance he has a terminal illness or gets injured he will have better medical care. God rest the poor souls that get sick in Lexington or Durham. P.s. Great post by duffman above. Agree with everything he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 i was hoping something less drastic than terminal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Second, you provide no details to support your conclusion that things are different today. In short, things are NOT different. The better programs have more talent and more options and therefore a guy like Jayson will certainly get to play, will get minutes and will get exposed to the NBA scouts … but he won't be the centerpiece of their offense and he won't put up as gaudy individual stats there as compared to a program like SLU. The second string at Kentucky this year will not be drafted as high as they would if they went elsewhere and were the best player on this other team. Great point, the one and done kids at Kentucky are really struggling to get drafted highly and are often well behind the one and done kids from mid majors.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_arete Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I remember listening to an NFL Network segment that followed the daily lives of 4 NFL prospects. What stood out to me was when one of the NFL personnel guys interviewed the RB from New Mexico State and they asked why did he choose to go there when he had offers to go to Notre Dame and other big schools. They wondered if he was afraid of competition. He said that he wanted to stay close to home, so that's why he stayed. End result: He ended up not getting drafted. I know that's a different sport, but I'd say that a 5-star recruit should challenge himself at the highest level. NBA scouts will take note of that and give him bonus points for challenging himself. Having said that, the benefits of staying at SLU include having a local support system; the chance to be a star; and if a good student, strong networking connections beyond college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I remember listening to an NFL Network segment that followed the daily lives of 4 NFL prospects. What stood out to me was when one of the NFL personnel guys interviewed the RB from New Mexico State and they asked why did he choose to go there when he had offers to go to Notre Dame and other big schools. They wondered if he was afraid of competition. He said that he wanted to stay close to home, so that's why he stayed. End result: He ended up not getting drafted. I know that's a different sport, but I'd say that a 5-star recruit should challenge himself at the highest level. NBA scouts will take note of that and give him bonus points for challenging himself. Having said that, the benefits of staying at SLU include having a local support system; the chance to be a star; and if a good student, strong networking connections beyond college. NFL prospect vs #1 in the class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deutschkind Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I remember listening to an NFL Network segment that followed the daily lives of 4 NFL prospects. What stood out to me was when one of the NFL personnel guys interviewed the RB from New Mexico State and they asked why did he choose to go there when he had offers to go to Notre Dame and other big schools. They wondered if he was afraid of competition. He said that he wanted to stay close to home, so that's why he stayed. End result: He ended up not getting drafted. I know that's a different sport, but I'd say that a 5-star recruit should challenge himself at the highest level. NBA scouts will take note of that and give him bonus points for challenging himself. Having said that, the benefits of staying at SLU include having a local support system; the chance to be a star; and if a good student, strong networking connections beyond college. I think the level of competition in A10 basketball is a bit higher than WAC and now Sun Belt football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 I remember listening to an NFL Network segment that followed the daily lives of 4 NFL prospects. What stood out to me was when one of the NFL personnel guys interviewed the RB from New Mexico State and they asked why did he choose to go there when he had offers to go to Notre Dame and other big schools. They wondered if he was afraid of competition. He said that he wanted to stay close to home, so that's why he stayed. End result: He ended up not getting drafted. I know that's a different sport, but I'd say that a 5-star recruit should challenge himself at the highest level. NBA scouts will take note of that and give him bonus points for challenging himself. Having said that, the benefits of staying at SLU include having a local support system; the chance to be a star; and if a good student, strong networking connections beyond college. The #5 draft pick this past season was Dante Exum from Australia. Graduated from HS and then played one year in low pro ball in Aussieland. You think he should have come to play at KU or KY or Duke instead? He did just fine without the challenge of NCAA ball. Pro scouts don't give bonus points for where you play after HS. They give $$ for the potential they see in the playe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I remember listening to an NFL Network segment that followed the daily lives of 4 NFL prospects. What stood out to me was when one of the NFL personnel guys interviewed the RB from New Mexico State and they asked why did he choose to go there when he had offers to go to Notre Dame and other big schools. They wondered if he was afraid of competition. He said that he wanted to stay close to home, so that's why he stayed. End result: He ended up not getting drafted. I know that's a different sport, but I'd say that a 5-star recruit should challenge himself at the highest level. NBA scouts will take note of that and give him bonus points for challenging himself. Having said that, the benefits of staying at SLU include having a local support system; the chance to be a star; and if a good student, strong networking connections beyond college. Is someone really challenging himself if he joins an absolutely loaded team like Kentucky that dominates most games and he is only occasionally asked to "be the man" or would it be more challenging to play at a school where you still play good competition and are asked to shoulder the scoring load each and every night? If someone is going to be drafted in the top 5 will his nba team (which must suck given their draft position) need a player that can be a go to guy or will they looking for someone that just fits in with 7 other all-Americans and out classes nearly everyone they play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Is someone really challenging himself if he joins an absolutely loaded team like Kentucky that dominates most games and he is only occasionally asked to "be the man" or would it be more challenging to play at a school where you still play good competition and are asked to shoulder the scoring load each and every night? If someone is going to be drafted in the top 5 will his nba team (which must suck given their draft position) need a player that can be a go to guy or will they looking for someone that just fits in with 7 other all-Americans and out classes nearly everyone they play? I would say he could challenge himself either way, being the "go to guy" every night at SLU or trying to be the "one stand out" on a stacked Kentucky roster. I think putting himself in a spot to have the best shot at a National Championship will also play a big factor in his decision. Obviously, Kentucky would give him better odds at a Championship than SLU. Looking at the last few drafts and just based on the schools the top five picks all came from, I would say someone is going to get drafted in the top five if they just fit in with 7 other all-Americans and out-class nearly everyone they play. Tatum will be a top pick even if he goes to Central Arkansas. It's going to come down to whether he wants to put himself in the best position to win a National Championship, in his one year of collegiate ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Look at the exposure the kids get at Kentucky. They had their summer trip televised on national tv. That celebrity is tough for high school kids to turn down. Recruiting against a school like Kentucky really isn't fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Don't feed the troll. aj is just trying to stir it up again. His thoughts about what NBA scouts give "bonus points" for are ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Just to look at all sides of the spectrum... You could say it's a risk to go to Kentucky, Duke, etc and potentially be behind more talented upperclassmen who aren't in the NBA yet because they were behind other talented guys earlier in their career. But he'll also get huge exposure there and a chance to win (and potentially) lead his team to a championship. You could also say that it's a risk to go to SLU where you would be expected to dominate. I think he would dominate but anything can happen obviously. Scouts will be at every one of his games no matter where he goes, but obviously the exposure wouldn't be quite the same. He'd also have the potential to be the hometown hero and be the go-to guy and lead SLU on a deep tourney run. That did a lot for Stephen Curry at Davidson. Honestly, he's a kid I'm going to root for either way. And even though some would argue that a one and done player isn't good for a school like SLU, I think Tatum would be as he's a local kid with family ties and his freshmen year will be a really important year for the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Don't feed the troll. aj is just trying to stir it up again. His thoughts about what NBA scouts give "bonus points" for are ridiculous. Just because someone has different viewpoints from your own doesn't make them a troll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Just because someone has different viewpoints from your own doesn't make them a troll I completely agree, but that is not why is a troll. Somebody who is primarily a Mizzou fan (although he has pretended to also be a SLU fan) and has consistently made posts with the sole intention of stirring up sh!t qualifies as a troll. You don't have to take my word for it. Feel free to dip into the archives to see what many of your fellow billikens.com posters have had to say about the guy. Or simply look at his posts for yourself and see if you see a pattern emerge. I'm far from the only one who has seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I truly believe Jayson's choice of college has virtually no impact on his NBA future. There are pros and cons to small and large schools and in the end most of those wash out. The reason Kentucky sends so many to the NBA is because they have the best players already, not because of the "exposure." Heck, sometimes the worst thing that can happen to a kid is to be overexposed. Jayson's college choice will be whether he wants to go to SLU and be a hometown legend, albeit with a reduced chance at a national championship, or if he wants to go to one of the true power schools and accept that he's just one of many that have traveled the path but he's got around a 20% chance of a national championship (this year's UK team is the exception to the rule). You can ask Jabari Parker or Nerlens Noel how guaranteed NCAA tournament success is. Either way he'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I just heard Chris Carrawell on the radio. He said Duke, Syracuse and SLU were his final three. Obviously it worked out pretty well for him, but it confirms that SLU was a serious contender, which I have heard fans of other local programs try to debunk. He said he really liked Spoon and gave SLU very strong consideration. He said that if Jahidi White had gone to SLU or transferred back to SLU, he and Loren Woods would have definitely gone to SLU. He said he "wouldn't have been able to turn down Spoon." Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I just heard Chris Carrawell on the radio. He said Duke, Syracuse and SLU were his final three. Obviously it worked out pretty well for him, but it confirms that SLU was a serious contender, which I have heard fans of other local programs try to debunk. He said he really liked Spoon and gave SLU very strong consideration. He said that if Jahidi White had gone to SLU or transferred back to SLU, he and Loren Woods would have definitely gone to SLU. He said he "wouldn't have been able to turn down Spoon." Wow! -was he on with Frank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Carrawell was then asked if he would be interested in the SLU head coaching job down the line. He is currently an assistant. He said that he grew up a SLU fan and still follows the program. He spoke highly of the A-10. He was very impressive on the air. If he is a rising star as an assistant, he could be somebody to keep an eye on down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I truly believe Jayson's choice of college has virtually no impact on his NBA future. There are pros and cons to small and large schools and in the end most of those wash out. The reason Kentucky sends so many to the NBA is because they have the best players already, not because of the "exposure." Heck, sometimes the worst thing that can happen to a kid is to be overexposed. Jayson's college choice will be whether he wants to go to SLU and be a hometown legend, albeit with a reduced chance at a national championship, or if he wants to go to one of the true power schools and accept that he's just one of many that have traveled the path but he's got around a 20% chance of a national championship (this year's UK team is the exception to the rule). You can ask Jabari Parker or Nerlens Noel how guaranteed NCAA tournament success is. Either way he'll be fine. I don't think anyone can really argue with that 1st paragraph. Jayson would not even be making this decision minus a rule forcing him to play one season of college basketball. He will be a highly drafted player in the 2017 draft wherever he plays that one season. I do think some people on this board overlook (for obvious reasons) what the elite programs have to offer though and what they sell these elite prospects. There are a lot of reasons almost all of the 5 star recruits go to the top programs. Fortunately for us, the wild card often seems to be location or if there is a family connection and we hit on both of those with Jayson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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