No Mike McCall?

[Westy03]

Look at Cody last year. Anyone think he just learned how to shoot over the summer?

NoHope

[jbizzle09]

Nice try.

Yes, I say, other schools are different than SLU, they bring in non-student athletes, and many are really thugs. Where have you been? We do not do that. There are no PE courses or "Biology for Non Science Majors" at SLU. Again, a perfect example we just saw: the Cincy-Xavier players, do you think they could make it in class at SLU? I think not. I have always said we never get those 6'-8" 260 lb power forwards that are necessary to take us to the next level that get into MU and dozens and dozens of other schools... how about the the Cincy guy who took the cheap shot punch at Frease? And, why did he pick out Frease?

Broy is a good guy but has ripped Majerus for yrs, he has finally ceased. Majerus has some faults, but he is the best thing to happen to our program since Spoon. Broy has gone over the top in his criticism so I feel justified in calling him out and taking a pot shot back at him. Other than his over done criticism of RM, Broy is a good poster and a good person, no doubt. But I did not like him ripping JB, who is not getting into the flow of things yet and needs to adjust to the Majerus system. Too early to take pot shots, and for that matter taking pot shots at our boys is, like you say, out of bounds.

Also, you are like a child, you bring up Duke most every post to me. Grow up. I just think Duke is the best program out there last 25 yrs, though far from perfect, and bring them up and laugh at those who come out and state they "hate" Duke... IMO mostly out of some kind of immature jealousy. It is prevalent. Yes, I had a son go there, varsity athlete himself, he went to ONE basketball game in 4 yrs, does not give a sh*t about Duke basketball. Nor do I, really, some of this is tounge-in-cheek. We need a high IQ Billikens.com board to get started, for those who "get it".

Just so I 'get it' let me recount:

-It is perfectly fine to make sweeping generalizations about kids that go to other schools because they obviously aren't real student-athletes. It is fine to assume that many of them are really thugs. They don't take the difficult courses so we should feel OK with ourselves to toss around personal judgments and make harsh criticisms. Just by looking at players on other teams we should know right away that they can't cut it in class at SLU. Just don't do it to SLU players. Got it.

-Roy is a good guy and a good poster on this board. However, since he has said things about Majerus in the past that you don't like, it is perfectly fine to call him names and rip into him personally. Still, he is a good person. But still fine to take a pot shot at him. Got it.

- You don't really care about Duke basketball. However, you also point out how they are the best program of the last 25 years and anyone that hates on Duke are immature jealous children. But, you don't give a sh*t about them, not really. Except that they are awesome. And when you are telling people to make bets on them. Got it.

[slufanskip]

NoHope

Actually, I say yes to Hope.

[jbizzle09]

I don't think his shooting has to do with not knowing the offense. It has to do with his confidence. Just taking a split second too long to release or a split second too quick because he's rushing his shot makes all the difference in the world. I've seen him shoot at practice, he can shoot the ball. And in reality, sometimes you're just off. Jake has played a total of 56 minutes over 7 games and has taken a total of 9 3's. He just doesn't get a chance to get in a rythym or to establish any confidence. Whether he'll ever do the things RM is looking for him to do to allow him to get real minutes, none of us know. However, he isn't not playing because he can't shoot.

Look at Cody last year. Anyone think he just learned how to shoot over the summer?

This seems to be the real concern, to be honest. RM is apparently looking for JB to show him something, and it has not materialized yet.

[moytoy12]

We need a high IQ Billikens.com board to get started, for those who "get it".

I agree with this. I think we should have a separate forum for people who "get it" like you. I'm pretty sure it would be a one-member forum.

[Billiken Rich]

That chat room should be heavily padded.....

[Billsrmajic]

I agree with this. I think we should have a separate forum for people who "get it" like you. I'm pretty sure it would be a one-member forum.

+1

[Billsrmajic]

Just so I 'get it' let me recount:

-It is perfectly fine to make sweeping generalizations about kids that go to other schools because they obviously aren't real student-athletes. It is fine to assume that many of them are really thugs. They don't take the difficult courses so we should feel OK with ourselves to toss around personal judgments and make harsh criticisms. Just by looking at players on other teams we should know right away that they can't cut it in class at SLU. Just don't do it to SLU players. Got it.

-Roy is a good guy and a good poster on this board. However, since he has said things about Majerus in the past that you don't like, it is perfectly fine to call him names and rip into him personally. Still, he is a good person. But still fine to take a pot shot at him. Got it.

- You don't really care about Duke basketball. However, you also point out how they are the best program of the last 25 years and anyone that hates on Duke are immature jealous children. But, you don't give a sh*t about them, not really. Except that they are awesome. And when you are telling people to make bets on them. Got it.

Jbiz on fire as usual - love it

[kmbilliken]

Barnett must be pressing. He had to show RM he was a better player last year in practice. Otherwise why does RM tell Salecich there won't be any playing time for him. At this point from what I have seen from Barnett, Salecich is the better player.

[MB73]

Jbiz on fire as usual - love it

On the site 24/7, his whole life based upon this board, actually, I agree, jbizzle is getting pretty good at misrepresenting what I write with Axelrod quality convoluted spin.

He's right, I am the only one on Earth that thinks that things are out of hand, that there are abundant NCAA athletes that are non student thugs and are there just to play hoops or football; those Cincy & Xavier players would do just fine academically at SLU. And Broy has been great about Majerus, a good sport, has never taken a shot at him, ever. And Duke has not been an exemplary program over the last 25 yrs, they would be a bad one to emulate.

[moytoy12]

On the site 24/7, his whole life based upon this board, actually, I agree, jbizzle is getting pretty good at misrepresenting what I write with Axelrod quality convoluted spin.

He's right, I am the only one on Earth that thinks that things are out of hand, that there are abundant NCAA athletes that are non student thugs and are there just to play hoops or football; those Cincy & Xavier players would do just fine academically at SLU. And Broy has been great about Majerus, a good sport, has never taken a shot at him, ever. And Duke has not been an exemplary program over the last 25 yrs, they would be a bad one to emulate.

JBiz just doesn't

"get it".

[Cowboy]

JBiz just doesn't

"get it".

- very few do

[jbizzle09]

JBiz just doesn't

"get it".

I 'get it'.

I am a lifetime loser. I spend all day, everyday on this message board. It is my entire life. MB73 has me nailed to a tee. Currently, I am in my mother's basement, in my underwear, eating Cheetos and drinking Mountain Dew. Of course, I weigh 335 lbs and am unemployed. Needless to say I am a virgin despite being 35 years old. The only joy in my life are the times that I can spin what MB73 has written on this message board to prove to myself and the other posters that I am intellectually superior to him. When that happens, I treat myself to a TJ's pizza and copious amounts of online porn. You do have to treat yourself now and then.

But tonight, MB73 really hit me where it hurts. Here is a man who truly brought it home for me and laid my whole life bare. A man who rarely ever posts here (only 1,373 posts to his credit) but used one of those truly rare posts to point out that mine is a life wasted. Because of him, I will turn my life around. I will actually work up the nerve to talk to a real, live girl. I will limit myself to only 6 hours of porn a day. I will get down to a size XXXXL T-shirt. I will turn in my application for that part-time job at QT. I will buy a 2nd pair of sweatpants. I will do the deeds and see the sights and go out and live life!

I 'get it', MB. I really, really 'get it'! Thank you!

[BBall Fan]

This seems to be the real concern, to be honest. RM is apparently looking for JB to show him something, and it has not materialized yet.

Ok lets say he shows RM something. "He shows RM something".....Who does he take minutes away from? I will have to say that I really like our rotation just the way it is. I think Jake will do well here but I do not think this will be the year it happens.

[BBall Fan]

Barnett must be pressing. He had to show RM he was a better player last year in practice. Otherwise why does RM tell Salecich there won't be any playing time for him. At this point from what I have seen from Barnett, Salecich is the better player.

Salecich would not be playing much if any with this group either.

[GOSLU68]

MM,

Back to the subject I hope Mike is back for next game and wounded guards such as KC get the night off

[slu72]

Not sure that it's an ego thing. In fact, I might argue the opposite.

Just speculation on my part, SShoe. But there are many cases where a previous year's starter can have his feelings hurt when he gets demoted. It's the reason a lot of kids transfer. In some ways, I think this happened to CE last year and contributed to his early season woes. Then he finally accepts his role and starts to come around only to have his progress interrupted by the shoulder injury. But this year, he goes into the season knowing he's not going to start, yet embraces his role as 6th man and is having a terrific season. Point being, it's human nature to get a little down on yourself if you feel you're not as important as you once were, or at least thought you were to a team or any organization. Call it what you will, the ego takes a bit of a hit. But not knowing MM, I'll admit I may be guilty of posting a generalization.

[slu72]

MM,

Back to the subject I hope Mike is back for next game and wounded guards such as KC get the night off

Is KC hurt? And anyone here how JJ's doing?

[SShoe]

Just speculation on my part, SShoe. But there are many cases where a previous year's starter can have his feelings hurt when he gets demoted. It's the reason a lot of kids transfer. In some ways, I think this happened to CE last year and contributed to his early season woes. Then he finally accepts his role and starts to come around only to have his progress interrupted by the shoulder injury. But this year, he goes into the season knowing he's not going to start, yet embraces his role as 6th man and is having a terrific season. Point being, it's human nature to get a little down on yourself if you feel you're not as important as you once were, or at least thought you were to a team or any organization. Call it what you will, the ego takes a bit of a hit. But not knowing MM, I'll admit I may be guilty of posting a generalization.

Gotcha, good points.

[brianstl]

Just speculation on my part, SShoe. But there are many cases where a previous year's starter can have his feelings hurt when he gets demoted. It's the reason a lot of kids transfer. In some ways, I think this happened to CE last year and contributed to his early season woes. Then he finally accepts his role and starts to come around only to have his progress interrupted by the shoulder injury. But this year, he goes into the season knowing he's not going to start, yet embraces his role as 6th man and is having a terrific season. Point being, it's human nature to get a little down on yourself if you feel you're not as important as you once were, or at least thought you were to a team or any organization. Call it what you will, the ego takes a bit of a hit. But not knowing MM, I'll admit I may be guilty of posting a generalization.

Most of CE's early woes last season were because he was recovering from an illness.

[jbizzle09]

Is KC hurt? And anyone here how JJ's doing?

KC's not hurt. JJ suffered a minor leg injury during the Al. St. game but should be good to go Thursday.

[jjray]

Salecich would not be playing much if any with this group either.

Agree. At best Salecich takes Barnett's minutes, which are very few above garbage time. I doubt we see JB in conference play absent foul trouble or injury to those in the rotation. If Christian wanted more playing time he needed to leave in any event.

[Clock_Tower]

Practice/Scout player last year is an excuse. If he played against our starters all last year, then he should have had a ton of practice at defense (when our starters ran the offense). Also, I have to believe that our starters practiced defense last year, and if so, then wouldn't JB be playing offense during these times. Getting meaningful minutes and getting comfortable will help JB.

[Clock_Tower]

I agree Shoe. When Mike is out on the floor with Kwamain, he stands around and watches Kwamain like he is deferring to him. He just seems more passive all the way around. I think he is playing 2 guard almost exclusively but is looking to pass when he has the ball on the wing instead of looking for his shot. Kyle lapses into the same mentality on occasion so it's difficult if they are out together. The good thing is that Mike could snap out of this tomorrow. We know he was different a player last season so all he has to do is find the right mental zone.

This is same thing that happened at the beginning of last year. Our freshmen looked to the older kids for leadership and scoring but neither really happened. After awhile, our Frosh realized, the hard way, that it was up to them last year. To that end, MM took charge and so did DE. RL played much better the second half of the year and JJ cut down on his mistakes/turnovers and improved as well.

As to MM specifically, he became THE point guard for us last year. JJ and KC certainly helped out but MM sure seemed to take charge of the games for us - and thrived in this role. In this point guard role, MM's points per game steadily increased. This year, IMO, MM does not really appear to understand and be comfortable in his new role. KC appears to be our back-up point guard - not MM. With the addition of KM, I'd suggest that while the entire team has stablized and better off, MM has been the most affected in that his role has changed the most while the roles of KC and JJ this year are alot closer to what they were last year. Hopefully, KM and MM will learn to play better together.

[jjray]

This is same thing that happened at the beginning of last year. Our freshmen looked to the older kids for leadership and scoring but neither really happened. After awhile, our Frosh realized, the hard way, that it was up to them last year. To that end, MM took charge and so did DE. RL played much better the second half of the year and JJ cut down on his mistakes/turnovers and improved as well.

As to MM specifically, he became THE point guard for us last year. JJ and KC certainly helped out but MM sure seemed to take charge of the games for us - and thrived in this role. In this point guard role, MM's points per game steadily increased. This year, IMO, MM does not really appear to understand and be comfortable in his new role. KC appears to be our back-up point guard - not MM. With the addition of KM, I'd suggest that while the entire team has stablized and better off, MM has been the most affected in that his role has changed the most while the roles of KC and JJ this year are alot closer to what they were last year. Hopefully, KM and MM will learn to play better together.

+1 good analysis. Very much hope Mike finds his role. He's a talented player who can help the team.