MUTGR Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, HoosierBilliken said: So, you really don't know, do you? Like, we really don't know. You can drink your Kool-Aid, but let us drink ours. Look, we all suck to some extent. Just because he is a college basketball coach doesn't mean he automatically is a master manipulator or lacks integrity, but it sure is a strong indicator. If your argument now is no college basketball coaches have integrity, that's a different argument. We have lists of things Bill Self has done. Saint Coach K has hired parents, maybe not as an assistant coach, but to jobs. Quin said on record he didn't know flying Paulding's and AJ's parents in for a visit was a violation because he, as top recruiter, did it at Duke. KU hired Danny Manning's dad out of a truck. Bruce Pearl and Kelvin Sampson have had show cause penalties and still received jobs. Travis Ford has run with the big dogs. Get your argument straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, TJHawk said: What do you mean by he was in the Big 12? This isn't a remedial class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierBilliken Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 1 minute ago, MUTGR said: If your argument now is no college basketball coaches have integrity, that's a different argument. We have lists of things Bill Self has done. Saint Coach K has hired parents, maybe not as an assistant coach, but to jobs. KU hired Danny Manning's dad out of a truck. Get your argument straight. I know it's easy for a Mizzou fan to get confused, so let me help you. I am HoosierBilliken, not HoosierPal. We are two different people arguing two different things. He says essentially your new coach lacks integrity. I'm saying I don't know. I'm saying also that you don't know if he is pure as the wind driven snow either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 43 minutes ago, MUTGR said: What you've been doing is impugning Cuonzo Martin's integrity. I don't know the man personally, but I've read and heard he's a stand up guy, also a local guy who grew up in challenging circumstances and has beaten the odds to be very successful. Maybe you have, maybe you haven't, but I've had occasion on business and on the way to business in Belleville, which I was at today and Monday, to be in East St. Louis and its not exactly an affluent area. There are very good people in East St. Louis but also a lot of challenges. What you are doing is really a knee jerk reaction to your apparent hatred of Mizzou (which is your right), but you are directing it towards a very accomplished and respected man who overcame very challenging circumstances. He's well respected and he's earned it. He was a success as a player in high school and college at a very high level. I assume he was a good student or good enough. Purdue is not known as a pass through factory as far as I know. He played for a great high school coach in Bennie Lewis and a great college coach in Gene Keady. He is a success as a head coach at a high level. He won a conference championship in the Missouri Valley and he's been to a Sweet 16. He's also a humble man and appears to be a grounded man. He's a strong family man. You look very petty frankly by your constant insinuation that Coach Martin is anything but a man of integrity. DONNNNNN'TTTTT CCAAAARREEEEE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, RiseAndGrind said: DONNNNNN'TTTTT CCAAAARREEEEE Get the Mizzou talk off your board. It's Tigerboard East over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, MUTGR said: I'm the opposite of sensitive. I just can't stand your hypocrisy. What hypocrisy? When have I ever defended bribery? I don't have a problem with integrity like you do. I enjoy basketball, but it isn't how I get my self esteem as you apparently must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, MUTGR said: Get the Mizzou talk off your board. It's Tigerboard East over here. That's what happens when you're own board is unreadable: 11 minutes ago, MUTGR said: This isn't a remedial class. You're right you get enough of those at The University of Missouri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, MUTGR said: Get the Mizzou talk off your board. It's Tigerboard East over here. I can't help that a Mizzou obsessed troll feels so inclined to defend Mizzou on a non-Mizzou message board. It's a SLU message board. I can't imagine what runs through your brain that you feel the need to argue with obviously biased SLU fans on their own message board. Almost anything, other than perhaps attending a Mizzou athletic department tutoring session, would be a better use of your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierBilliken Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: What hypocrisy? When have I ever defended bribery? I don't have a problem with integrity like you do. I enjoy basketball, but it isn't how I get my self esteem as you apparently must. You sir, hit the nail on the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: What hypocrisy? When have I ever defended bribery? I don't have a problem with integrity like you do. I enjoy basketball, but it isn't how I get my self esteem as you apparently must. Bribery is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty. Hiring MPS is not bribery. By definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise_08 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Should I get a Tilmon KU jersey or a Knox Duke jersey? Go away loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 22 minutes ago, MUTGR said: I'm the opposite of sensitive. I just can't stand your hypocrisy. https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder949/250x250/54976949.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 1 minute ago, HoosierBilliken said: You sir, hit the nail on the head. I've hardly paid attention to basketball the last 3-4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierBilliken Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 1 minute ago, MUTGR said: I've hardly paid attention to basketball the last 3-4 years. Denial is the first sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, brianstl said: https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder949/250x250/54976949.jpg Seems like a lot of work for a dumb picture that's not applicable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Franchise_08 said: Should I get a Tilmon KU jersey or a Knox Duke jersey? Go away loser. My money's on KU. Bill Self is a cheater, and sometimes a choker, but he's a closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, RiseAndGrind said: I can't help that a Mizzou obsessed troll feels so inclined to defend Mizzou on a non-Mizzou message board. It's a SLU message board. I can't imagine what runs through your brain that you feel the need to argue with obviously biased SLU fans on their own message board. Almost anything, other than perhaps attending a Mizzou athletic department tutoring session, would be a better use of your time. Funny I had much better grades at SLU Law than I did at MIzzou, but I chalk that up to maturity. And attending class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, MUTGR said: Bribery is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty. Hiring MPS is not bribery. By definition. Sad that you need a dictionary to know right from wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Just now, BIG BILL FAN said: Sad that you need a dictionary to know right from wrong. You need to know the name of the school involved to pass judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierBilliken Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, MUTGR said: Bribery is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty. Hiring MPS is not bribery. By definition. Giving any item of value: Porter committing to play at Mizzou. This is the giving Actions of official in charge of public duty: Hiring the person that caused Porter to commit to play at Mizzou in a well-paid position.. This is the official action. Go back to school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, HoosierBilliken said: Giving any item of value: Porter committing to play at Mizzou. This is the giving Actions of official in charge of public duty: Hiring the person that caused Porter to commit to play at Mizzou in a well-paid position.. This is the official action. Go back to school. Sorry, bribery is a crime, it has a specific meaning. You are, at worst, complaining about a private quid pro quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 1 hour ago, MUTGR said: What you've been doing is impugning Cuonzo Martin's integrity. I don't know the man personally, but I've read and heard he's a stand up guy, also a local guy who grew up in challenging circumstances and has beaten the odds to be very successful. Maybe you have, maybe you haven't, but I've had occasion on business and on the way to business in Belleville, which I was at today and Monday, to be in East St. Louis and its not exactly an affluent area. There are very good people in East St. Louis but also a lot of challenges. What you are doing is really a knee jerk reaction to your apparent hatred of Mizzou (which is your right), but you are directing it towards a very accomplished and respected man who overcame very challenging circumstances. He's well respected and he's earned it. He was a success as a player in high school and college at a very high level. I assume he was a good student or good enough. Purdue is not known as a pass through factory as far as I know. He played for a great high school coach in Bennie Lewis and a great college coach in Gene Keady. He is a success as a head coach at a high level. He won a conference championship in the Missouri Valley and he's been to a Sweet 16. He's also a humble man and appears to be a grounded man. He's a strong family man. I understand him to be a Christian man. You look very petty frankly by your constant insinuation that Coach Martin is anything but a man of integrity. You can hate Mizzou and not impugn a good man's integrity. Yawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Stop feeding the trolls. Just ignore their posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierBilliken Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, MUTGR said: Sorry, bribery is a crime, it has a specific meaning. You are, at worst, complaining about a private quid pro quo. Porter dad: "Hey Martin, I will give you my son to play [something of value] at Mizzou only if you hire [official action] me at a high salary." This is bribery. The official action to hire Porter dad in this case would not be "private" quid pro quo as you claim. Martin is clearly a "decision-making public servant" as defined in the state statutes, He works at Mizzou, a government institution and he had "supervisory authority over contract negotiations" in this situation. It's okay to admit Martin was bribed. It would never be proven, cause they would hire lawyers such as yourself who will tell them not to talk. So rest easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 40 minutes ago, MUTGR said: My money's on KU. Bill Self is a cheater, and sometimes a choker, but he's a closer. I see....no one is permitted to impugn Martin's integrity yet you have no problem attacking Self's character. And you have the gall to call others hypocrites???? Want to see hypocrisy...look in the mirror - you just exemplified it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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