WestCoastBilliken Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Lindenwood is D2.....minus the Chaifetz.....their sports complex is D1 level. Again minus Chaifetz, Edwardsville has better all round facilities than us. If the right people aren't aware of what is going on with local D2 schools compared to SLU they need to take a drive around St Louis. Wash U is D3 and they have better facilities as well....again minus Chaifetz. This thread is dumb but maybe we should be careful making fun of D2 D3 schools until we have much better facilities than all of them like a D1 should. What does better facilities...minus chaifetz even mean? You mean for the sports that are not basketball, because Chaifetz has absolutely everything you could want for a basketball program...except a basketball team (heh ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Lindenwood is D2.....minus the Chaifetz.....their sports complex is D1 level. Again minus Chaifetz, Edwardsville has better all round facilities than us. If the right people aren't aware of what is going on with local D2 schools compared to SLU they need to take a drive around St Louis. Wash U is D3 and they have better facilities as well....again minus Chaifetz. This thread is dumb but maybe we should be careful making fun of D2 D3 schools until we have much better facilities than all of them like a D1 should. SIUE has basically unlimited real estate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Lindenwood is D2.....minus the Chaifetz.....their sports complex is D1 level. Again minus Chaifetz, Edwardsville has better all round facilities than us. If the right people aren't aware of what is going on with local D2 schools compared to SLU they need to take a drive around St Louis. Wash U is D3 and they have better facilities as well....again minus Chaifetz. This thread is dumb but maybe we should be careful making fun of D2 D3 schools until we have much better facilities than all of them like a D1 should. This thread wasn't dumb until this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 What does better facilities...minus chaifetz even mean? You mean for the sports that are not basketball, because Chaifetz has absolutely everything you could want for a basketball program...except a basketball team (heh ) Basketball and volleyball, and I highly doubt anything those schools have is better than Herrnann. And don't forget all teams use the training and medical facilities in Chaifetz as well, which are certainly better than SIUE, Wash U and others in the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Lindenwood is D2.....minus the Chaifetz.....their sports complex is D1 level. Again minus Chaifetz, Edwardsville has better all round facilities than us. If the right people aren't aware of what is going on with local D2 schools compared to SLU they need to take a drive around St Louis. Wash U is D3 and they have better facilities as well....again minus Chaifetz. This thread is dumb but maybe we should be careful making fun of D2 D3 schools until we have much better facilities than all of them like a D1 should. This is ridiculous. Lindenwood and SIUE have some of the same facilities that SLU has but everything that they have 1 of, SLU has 5 or 10. Lindenwood has some state of the art facilities and some others you are better off going to St. Charles West. SIUE please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 This is ridiculous. Lindenwood and SIUE have some of the same facilities that SLU has but everything that they have 1 of, SLU has 5 or 10. Lindenwood has some state of the art facilities and some others you are better off going to St. Charles West. SIUE please. I think SIUEs baseball facility is nicer than SLU's. That does not include the offices l strength training, conditioning, or medical facilities of course, which are likely more relevant. In general i agree with you. Slu is also located in midtown where real estate commands a higher premium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73Billiken Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 It is time for change. Time to fire Crews and spend on a splash hire. That's what this thread was about, right? Correct..........I am not proposing D2. Fire Crews (I initially gave him the benefit of the doubt but the train wreck continues and it has become apparent that is necessary) and make a splashy new hire. Two years ago we were in the top 10 and talk of how we would be added to the new Big East. You can forget that. To see Dayton continue to roll along with the Bonnies & Duquesne leaping over SLU on the Catholic school totem pole is hard to take. We have the facilities now to compete, we just don't have the coaching staff, players and recruits to do the job. The last game was the topper, what a horrific performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Ken Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I'm sorry but if you think SLU has better facilities than some local colleges overall, I'm not arguing with anyone, just my opinion and others as well. SLUH has a better baseball field than SIUE and us. Hermann has Johnny on the Spots as main restrooms. Chaifetz arena is a top ten D1 arena in the nation hands down, take that out of the equation and Lindenwood, Wash U and SIUE overall, excluding where their teams play basketball is just as good or better in some sports than us. This isn't a bash SLU when they are down, it's a reality check. People are bashing D2 and D3 programs and the reality is they are possibly passing us by in certain areas. That's all I am saying, has nothing to do with land limitations or location. I don't blame AD on this one, believe university higher ups need to see value in top tier facilities, not named Chaifetz Arena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I'm sorry but if you think SLU has better facilities than some local colleges overall, I'm not arguing with anyone, just my opinion and others as well. SLUH has a better baseball field than SIUE and us. Hermann has Johnny on the Spots as main restrooms. Chaifetz arena is a top ten D1 arena in the nation hands down, take that out of the equation and Lindenwood, Wash U and SIUE overall, excluding where their teams play basketball is just as good or better in some sports than us. This isn't a bash SLU when they are down, it's a reality check. People are bashing D2 and D3 programs and the reality is they are possibly passing us by in certain areas. That's all I am saying, has nothing to do with land limitations or location. I am not disputing your opinion but rather trying to understand it. What do you mean if we take away Chaifetz? Chaifetz is our only indoor athletic facility. Whats left? Pius Liabrary and the student union? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 This feels more like an insane offseason thread vs. insane in-season thread.. Thanks JC.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 This feels more like an insane offseason thread vs. insane in-season thread.. Thanks JC.. Fire Jim Crews now. Its conference season and this is the discussion. Fire Jim Crews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Ken Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I'm saying remove Chaifetz from the conversation and all things being equal other D2 and D3 programs have better facilities right now. For the record, my grandson plays club high school baseball and I've been to just about every field in the area. My granddaughter plays club soccer all over the area too. We gladly spend an enormous amount of time at tournaments, complexes over weekends. All I'm trying to point out is anyone making fun of D2 or D3 better know what they are talking about because the world is changing quick. Our AD can only do so much and I believe he is a good man and is doing a very good job. He and the rest of department needs help from higher ups at university to be best in St. Louis area/country in every aspect of department. I love the Bills and want nothing but the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Remove THE athletics facility and SLU trails all area schools in athletics facilities. Groundbreaking stuff. Also the AD reports directly to the president. Theres only one employee that is higher than him. Good man? Tell him to go home and play with his kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I'm saying remove Chaifetz from the conversation and all things being equal other D2 and D3 programs have better facilities right now. For the record, my grandson plays club high school baseball and I've been to just about every field in the area. My granddaughter plays club soccer all over the area too. We gladly spend an enormous amount of time at tournaments, complexes over weekends. All I'm trying to point out is anyone making fun of D2 or D3 better know what they are talking about because the world is changing quick. Our AD can only do so much and I believe he is a good man and is doing a very good job. He and the rest of department needs help from higher ups at university to be best in St. Louis area/country in every aspect of department. I love the Bills and want nothing but the best!Very easy to look good in an argument when you blatantly disregard facts and pick and choose your evidence while leaving out the major sporting venue in college athletics in the St. Louis/southern Illinois area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Ken Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Very easy to look good in an argument when you blatantly disregard facts and pick and choose your evidence while leaving out the major sporting venue in college athletics in the St. Louis/southern Illinois areaIsn't a chain as strong as its weakest link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Isn't a chain as strong as its weakest link? Do you really think SLU basketball is impacted by whether we have a good field hockey facility? Or softball field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Do you really think SLU basketball is impacted by whether we have a good field hockey facility? Or softball field? +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 BillyKen is kinda right. Everything but our basketball/weight/sports medicine really sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Ken Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Do you really think SLU basketball is impacted by whether we have a good field hockey facility? Or softball field?Yes. I have no idea where field hockey plays but if you think a softball field that looks like it could be in Forest Park is fine, then we can just agree to disagree. I think it all matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Remove THE athletics facility and SLU trails all area schools in athletics facilities. Groundbreaking stuff.Using the same logic, if you take away everything that makes Jordan Spieth a great golfer, he's no better than some hacker playing at the local golf course on Saturday mornings. Or if you subtract his shooting ability, his playmaking ability, and his next best attribute, Stephen Curry is an average NBA player at best.Seriously though, I get that the facilities for sports like baseball, softball, field hockey, and maybe others leave a bit to be desired, but the way the issue was framed was a bit odd, given that those sports use the facilities within Chaifetz as well, and those training facilities I would assume would blow any other local school's facilities out of the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Our soccer stadium isn't even truly enclosed. Our baseball and softball fields are average and our field hockey team plays off campus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Our soccer stadium isn't even truly enclosed. Our baseball and softball fields are average and our field hockey team plays off campus... Few are. It's college, not MLS. I've been to multiple Pac-12 facilities that are nowhere near as good as Hermann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Few are. It's college, not MLS. I've been to multiple Pac-12 facilities that are nowhere near as good as Hermann.We have the most storied soccer team in NCAA history. We should be leading the way in soccer stadiums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 The D2 argument is ridiculous but minus Chaifetz our facilities suck. Chaifetz makes a huge difference though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Ken Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Winning cures everything. Hope we can bring one home today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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