Box and Won Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 If we're looking for positives, I noticed that Welmer is off the scooter and is now in a walking boot. Perhaps he'll be ready to practice soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 How many seasons this bad back to back have TLR, Matheny, or Hitchcock had? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 On a positive note, A_Bomb and I watched the WSU game together and I'm still alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Minutes against Michigan St in Round of 32 in 2011-12 Seniors: 15.5% Juniors: 31% Sophomores: 53.5% Minutes against Morehead St Seniors: 17% Juniors: 25% Sophomores: 51.5% Freshmen: 6.5% Let's not act like there's some gigantic difference here. The excuse of being young is weak. Irrelevant balderdash. OK, name the seniors and juniors on that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Irrelevant balderdash. Meh, facts. Ain't got no time for facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 How many seasons this bad back to back have TLR, Matheny, or Hitchcock had? The point is that there are the same kind of loser fans/posters in every fan base, no matter what. The 8-9 big experts on this board were all over Crews last year, his first year with his true recruits, freshmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Meh, facts. Ain't got no time for facts. Name the juniors and seniors on that team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 On a positive note, A_Bomb and I watched the WSU game together and I'm still alive. Is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Is he? I can neither confirm nor deny A_Bomb's status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Name the juniors and seniors on that team... No thanks. The back and forth with you is worthless. You have no regard for facts and make up things on the fly to support your argument. Not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 No thanks. The back and forth with you is worthless. You have no regard for facts and make up things on the fly to support your argument. Not worth it. We had Conklin, Remekun, and Ellis, 3 very experienced BIGS. Were they that good as freshmen? Sophs? Conklin was a decent player but then his senior year was spectacular. Ellis and Remekun clearly improved their junior year. Unfortunately, the only BIG uppreclassman we have is Reggie, injuries have held him back a bit. If we had those three experienced BIGS right now (instead of the 3 upperclassmen we have), we'd be a shoo in for 20+ wins. But go ahead and whine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Glad you are still alive Moytoy, and hope A Bomb is too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Glad you are still alive Moytoy, and hope A Bomb is too. Thanks, Old Guy. Last i heard, A_Bomb was sippin' Appletini's on a beach in Brazil. Assuming A_Bomb makes it back stateside, he and I agreed that when we come up to St. Louis, we're buying you multiple drinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The discussion about whether Hitchcock needs to go is completely distinct from the discussion about whether Crews needs to go. The situations are not even remotely comparable, and it is truly asinine that someone would even draw those similarities. Both coaches need to go, but the situations are completely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 We had Conklin, Remekun, and Ellis, 3 very experienced BIGS. Were they that good as freshmen? Sophs? Conklin was a decent player but then his senior year was spectacular. Ellis and Remekun clearly improved their junior year. Unfortunately, the only BIG uppreclassman we have is Reggie, injuries have held him back a bit. If we had those three experienced BIGS right now (instead of the 3 upperclassmen we have), we'd be a shoo in for 20+ wins. But go ahead and whine. So if I understand your point: We had better players then, so we were a better team. I agree. Youth is not an excuse. Talent wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 So if I understand your point: We had better players then, so we were a better team. I agree. Youth is not an excuse. Talent wins. That was eventually going to be my point. Got caught up in a meeting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 They think we can get a young superstar coach in his stead. They do not understand that in 50 years, we have only had two superstar coaches, Spoon and Majerus, and there was a lot of timing and luck with both, especially Majerus.So because it's been done twice in 50 years the fan base should settle for mediocrity? We should not long for improvement? If that's the case then the university should not expect fans in the arena. I don't see your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 That was eventually going to be my point. Got caught up in a meeting though. "Name the juniors and seniors on that team." "Okay, we've got Mitchell, Conklin, Ellis, Remekun Cassity. Holy smokes, you're right! Those players are better than our current players, and I miss them." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorB Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 DocB - it is an interesting conversation for sure. It falls firmly into the "the next generation is terrible" argument well, not so much; I'm blaming flaming blowhards like O'Reilly, Hannity, Al Franken/ Bill Maher types (it's not one side or the other) or even Trump -- not to mention their sportstalk disciples like -- I don't know, off the top of my head, Stephen Smith, Dan Patrick, Jim Rome, or local guys like Kevin Wheeler. Most of these guys rose to fame in the Rush Limbaugh era -- so no, I'm not blaming young folks. Monkey see, monkey do... the fall of the public sphere. Me no like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 So if I understand your point: We had better players then, so we were a better team. I agree. Youth is not an excuse. Talent wins. No. Nice try, though. We have a 2 year recruiting gap They didn't We have a shortage of experienced upperclassmen BIGS... Reggie is "it" and he has been injured, is behind schedule Conklin emerged big time his SR year, Ellis and Cory improved a great deal, too, junior year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 At the very least let's compare each set of sophs Loe > Gillmann Jett > Reynolds McCall > Bartley Evans > Yarbrough Barnett = Roby _____ > Jolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 "Name the juniors and seniors on that team." "Okay, we've got Mitchell, Conklin, Ellis, Remekun Cassity. Holy smokes, you're right! Those players are better than our current players, and I miss them." TWO YEAR RECRUITING GAP WE ONLY HAVE ONE SENIOR AND TWO JUNIORS NOW They had 3 key upperclassmen bigs, we have Reggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 At the very least let's compare each set of sophs Loe > Gillmann Jett > Reynolds McCall > Bartley Evans > Yarbrough Barnett = Roby _____ > Jolly [Heads toward liquor cabinet, head down.] That was the other reason MB's torpedo of his own point was so hilarious; it draws attention to the fact that the upperclassmen and underclassmen on the 2011-2012 team were so much better than they are now. "You can't compare the two! Those upperclassmen were way better, it's not fair! And the sophomores would become our greatest class ever! How dare you hold our program to its own standard!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorB Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Back to the Bills: this team has room to grow, but our conference looks intimidating this year. I'd be pleased with .500 record this year but I doubt it. I made no predictions this year but had a very bad feeling, and I was deeply disappointed by drinking the Kool-aid last year. So I had very very low expectation. I actually am much more upbeat at the moment --because we are actually better than I thought we'd be. The bar was low, as I said. We might even be pretty good -- next year. This year, winning 6-8 conference games, and maybe sneaking a win in the A10 tournament, sounds pretty good. I also agree, there is a weird spirit around the fan base right now. Not sure why, but people tend to set very high expectations after our very awesome 3-year run of success. So far we have failed to parlay it into a winning program. Go figure.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 well, not so much; I'm blaming flaming blowhards like O'Reilly, Hannity, Al Franken/ Bill Maher types (it's not one side or the other) or even Trump -- not to mention their sportstalk disciples like -- I don't know, off the top of my head, Stephen Smith, Dan Patrick, Jim Rome, or local guys like Kevin Wheeler. Most of these guys rose to fame in the Rush Limbaugh era -- so no, I'm not blaming young folks. Monkey see, monkey do... the fall of the public sphere. Me no like.Yes because many kids these days are watching Bill O'Reilly and Hannity and most young adults even know who Rush Limbaugh is. Do you make these statements up as you go or have you been saving these Fox News/conservative bashings in your holster for many years and finally decided this was the appropriate forum to release them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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