Cowboy Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 If you are not willing to go all in when recruiting a player like Jayson, you shouldn't waste your time going at it at 80%. That energy and those resources should be used elsewhere. -are you saying something is missing in SLU's recruitment of FBJT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 -are you saying something is missing in SLU's recruitment of FBJT? Does Barnes have an offer? Have multiple people close to Jayson hinted that a Barnes offer would help SLU's standing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Why does Barnes have to be offered now if Tatum is expected to make an announcement in a few weeks? What if we offer Barnes now, but Tatum goes ahead and signs with Duke. Then what? It would look bad if we would have to go ahead and take away the offer to Barnes. If Tatum commits to us and he indicates that is very important to play with Barnes, then we absolutely make the offer. But until then, I just don't get the sense of urgency. Why would we have to take away the offer? He's not a star, but he's a MVC level player so it's not like he'd be totally out of place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Why would we have to take away the offer? He's not a star, but he's a MVC level player so it's not like he'd be totally out of place. Exactly. Barnes has better offers than Bishop had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Exactly. Barnes has better offers than Bishop had. If only Barnes were Bishop's height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I would offer Barnes with or without Tatum. We will suck regardless if we don't get Tatum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Does Barnes have an offer? Have multiple people close to Jayson hinted that a Barnes offer would help SLU's standing? It sounds to me like they are setting up the narrative that it will be SLU's fault if Jayson plays for Duke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I would offer Barnes with or without Tatum. We will suck regardless if we don't get Tatum. But why does the offer have to be made now? I don't get the sense of urgency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe Barnes doesn't want to be offered only as a package deal for Tatum (i.e. Barnes himself may find it insulting if people assume the only reason SLU offered was so that we could get Tatum). It may be more impactful if we offer Barnes after the Tatum decision, no matter what the decision will be. Privately, we can assure Jayson and Justin that we are planning to offer Barnes no matter what and that we just don't like the optics of his best friend only being offered because of Jayson's decision, which is what a lot of MBMs will assume occurred if we offer right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 It sounds to me like they are setting up the narrative that it will be SLU's fault if Jayson plays for Duke. 1) still like our chances 2) Justin Tatum had originally been critical of SLU's recruitment. It seemed to have worked. 3) is he going back to the well and trying the same trick to score Barnes an offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 It sounds to me like they are setting up the narrative that it will be SLU's fault if Jayson plays for Duke. Bingo. The haters are basically laying the groundwork that somehow the coaches screwed this up. If he does commit here, they'll argue that it was in spite of the coaching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Bingo. The haters are basically laying the groundwork that somehow the coaches screwed this up. If he does commit here, they'll argue that it was in spite of the coaching staff. People have been saying to offer Barnes for months. This isn't something new being brought up as the decision draws near. Like I said in a post a few weeks ago, there are plenty of decent reasons to offer Barnes even if Jayson doesn't come here. The kid really isn't a reach for the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Bingo. The haters are basically laying the groundwork that somehow the coaches screwed this up. If he does commit here, they'll argue that it was in spite of the coaching staff. I am not a hater, but I do think one could easily make the argument that if Jayson commits to SLU that he was going to commit to SLU regardless of the coaching staff and current state of the program. We have no chance of beating out programs like Duke, Kentucky, and UNC for recruits, so this is obviously a very unique situation. If he commits to Duke, I am not going to crush the coaching staff, but I also have no idea whether they have done everything they could to sell Jayson on staying home and only he and his family would really know that. If I was in Jayson's shoes, I would have been like the other Chaminade stars and eliminated SLU early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Like I said in a post a few weeks ago, there are plenty of decent reasons to offer Barnes even if Jayson doesn't come here. The kid really isn't a reach for the program. While I do think one could consider Barnes a bit of a reach (I personally do), looking at the caliber of recruit the current staff has been signing and the level of talent on the roster, I do not think you could make the counter argument and that is without considering the other things (local kid/St. Louis Eagles/Jayson Tatum's best friend). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe Barnes doesn't want to be offered only as a package deal for Tatum (i.e. Barnes himself may find it insulting if people assume the only reason SLU offered was so that we could get Tatum). It may be more impactful if we offer Barnes after the Tatum decision, no matter what the decision will be. Privately, we can assure Jayson and Justin that we are planning to offer Barnes no matter what and that we just don't like the optics of his best friend only being offered because of Jayson's decision, which is what a lot of MBMs will assume occurred if we offer right now. Exactly, I don't see any reason to make a public offer to Barnes right now. If Tatum commits to SLU and he really wants to play with Barnes, the kid will get an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Some may think that Crews has a thing against people named Jordan (Barnes, Goodwin), but in our 100 years we have never had a player with the first name of Jordan. http://www.slubillikens.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=27200&ATCLID=209500730 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 http://www.slubillikens.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=27200&ATCLID=209500730 Crews must be busier than normal coaching soccer too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Crews must be busier than normal coaching soccer too. He really has to recruit a special type of player to get every inbounds play thrown into the backfield.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Crews must be busier than normal coaching soccer too. Might not realize it is a unisex name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Might not realize it is a unisex name. I do. I was just messing with ya on the soccer thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I do. I was just messing with ya on the soccer thing. Talking about Crews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Tatum is going to SLU. I don't know why everyone is so worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Interesting that SLU has 2 offers out to point guards in the Class of 2016 but Justin Tatum told me that the only reason SLU wan't offering Barnes was because they said they felt good with their point guard situation. The Nai Carlisle offer is over a year old, predating the Jermaine Bishop commitment by many months. That ship has sailed. Carlisle decommited from San Jose State a few months ago, which is why he popped back up in VC's database. Dashawn McDowell is a top 150 scoring guard who decommitted from Tulsa after the dead period started in April. We're about 2 1/2 months into a quiet period so the opportunities for coaching staffs to evaluate him on the AAU circuit have been limited. His offers are basically regional schools who saw him play during the season. SMU, his best offer, has an NCAA investigation looming over their program. Seems like an opportunistic offer by the staff to me. If a top 150 scoring guard is flying under the radar, you have to move quickly. Could be a plan B if Tatum goes to Duke. Could be a running mate for Tatum. Isn't recruiting wonderful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 The Nai Carlisle offer is over a year old, predating the Jermaine Bishop commitment by many months. That ship has sailed. Carlisle decommited from San Jose State a few months ago, which is why he popped back up in VC's database. Dashawn McDowell is a top 150 combo guard who decommitted from Tulsa after the dead period started in April. We're about 2 1/2 months into a quiet period so the opportunities for coaching staffs to evaluate him on the AAU circuit have been limited. His offers are basically regional schools who saw him play during the season. SMU, his best offer, has an NCAA investigation looming over their program. Seems like an opportunistic offer by the staff to me. If a top 150 scoring guard is flying under the radar, you have to move quickly. Could be a plan B if Tatum goes to Duke. Could be a running mate for Tatum. Isn't recruiting wonderful? I wouldn't say he is flying under the radar when he has offers from Cal and USC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I wouldn't say he is flying under the radar when he has offers from Cal and USC. I see they offered the same day we did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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