slufanskip Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Overall, I think the refs were fine. A couple of weird calls and as you say fans will be fans. I don't remember the fans reacting all that bad to the Kwam splitting the double team no call. That was not a smart play by Kwam. The two that stick out in my head were the fans really reacted: one in front of the scorers table that I believe Rammer reacted to. The other was on the charge call on Evans. Pretty sure you are right on the foul on Remekun. I think that is just the frustrating one when an official is right on top of the play and doesn't call it, but the one 60ft away makes the call. Very well may have been correct. Long story short, I didn't feel the refs had a huge impact either way on the game which was good. The problem with that play on KM was he had been fouled 4 times by the time he tried to split the double team which btw is exactly what he should have been doing. The space not occupied by the defender is his to step through and the defender can't move and bump him to close the gap. This is what gets me with VCU's bitching. VCU fouls almost every possession in the back court and it doesn't get called, so please don't complain when we get up in your face and bump you a little (or a lot) you can't ask for the refs to just let them play when you're on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLouBlue Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Didn't see the fouls from my vantage point (other end of the court), but don't doubt he was getting mauled. But it looked like Kwam got himself in a situation he shouldn't have and then picked up the ball. Agree splitting them was the right thing to do once he got to that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OC Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I totally agree with Skip's take on VCU's complaints, and a fair amount of other teams' for that matter. I'm biased as heck, but I think SLU often guards without fouling. They (Evans and Loe, in particular) do a great job of walling up and contesting shooters without bodying them with their base (ie, "the Conklin"). The space not occupied by the defender is his to step through and the defender can't move and bump him to close the gap. True, but offense isn't allowed to displace defense on its way to the open space. That's not a commentary on Kwamain's play, just generally speaking. A good HS trap can be fairly worthless bc, IMO, officials won't call the offense for charging through both inside hips of a legal trap/legal guarding position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The problem with that play on KM was he had been fouled 4 times by the time he tried to split the double team which btw is exactly what he should have been doing. The space not occupied by the defender is his to step through and the defender can't move and bump him to close the gap. This is what gets me with VCU's bitching. VCU fouls almost every possession in the back court and it doesn't get called, so please don't complain when we get up in your face and bump you a little (or a lot) you can't ask for the refs to just let them play when you're on defense. I disagree. FOUR times Kwamain dribbled directly into the VCU press. Was he fouled on the way? Probably but you'd think maybe he'd have changed course after the first two times it happened..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I totally agree with Skip's take on VCU's complaints, and a fair amount of other teams' for that matter. I'm biased as heck, but I think SLU often guards without fouling. They (Evans and Loe, in particular) do a great job of walling up and contesting shooters without bodying them with their base (ie, "the Conklin").True, but offense isn't allowed to displace defense on its way to the open space. That's not a commentary on Kwamain's play, just generally speaking. A good HS trap can be fairly worthless bc, IMO, officials won't call the offense for charging through both inside hips of a legal trap/legal guarding position. All traps are fairly worthless against a patient team. Which is why we basically had no trouble against it. In fact we got more points off easy buckets due to the trap then they got off turnovers created. Be patient, see the trap and pass over or around it before it gets there. The hard part is just doing the simple thing and not getting caught up in trying to speed up the game. Attack when you've beaten it, but be patient until you do. I thought the Bills did a great job of attacking the basket when they had opportunities and just pulling it out and making VCU work on defense To OC you may be right about a HS trap not getting called properly, but imo a foul should usually be called before the offensive player even attempts to step through as the trappers almost always want to reach and grab at the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I disagree. FOUR times Kwamain dribbled directly into the VCU press. Was he fouled on the way? Probably but you'd think maybe he'd have changed course after the first two times it happened..... I don't disagree that KM was trying to force the dribble too much, but on the other end how many times did he beat it with the dribble and 2 of those TO's were at the end of the game. So basically he got caught twice until the game was almost over and out of reach. At least a couple of times he was forced to catch in the corner, that's bad news instantly as they close on you before you have time to react and doing anything other than trying to split it and pass out or dribble out is virtually impossible. You just can't let the defense dictate and force you into the corner to catch the inbounds. I thought when they switched to the man press late we didn't set the screens to get our ball handler open. Once he caught it in a bad position they doubled him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ACE Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Those pictures are awesome! Rammer gives him the talk to the hand. Next shot, Early appears to be giggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbizzle09 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Awesome job, Duff Man! The ref needs to be thankful that Rammer did not tear his throat out right then and there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Those last two are classics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbofive Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 JAWESOME. I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND ARGUE WITCHO FLAT ASS FACE, HOMEGURL. TALKA DA HAND. YOUR NAME IS SERIOULY BRO BROSKI. WHAT A CHOTCH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLouBlue Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Thanks. Shows my memory was way off...Totally forgot it was Rammer with the Stiff Arm Shiver!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I did not see that at all at the game. UNFREAKINGBELIEVABLE! What you going to do ref? Eject our broadcast team? I love the Rammer not taking any crap. It would've been classic if the zebra had taken it further...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Some of the fan reactions in that last shot are HILarious...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliken Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I did see Boroski say something to a fan just a couple rows back of the table, and that surprised me. Big no-no. Eject him (if deserving) or ignore him. The fan and his friends got the biggest kick out of Boroski's acknowledgment--which is likely what they wanted. This was not nearly as big of a deal as it sounds. It was my friend he said something to. My friend was complaining like all other fans were - nothing out of line. All Boroski did was say "Give me a break", while giving him the calm down hand motion. I actually thought Boroski was pretty tame in that case. But I was still surprised that he acknowledged fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 bo bo down the stretch made you wonder if he was cheating. my gosh the call on evans all the way across the court when the other ref was literally two feet away with a perfect view was the clincher. the picture above of ramsey with the hand in bo bo's face is nothing short of legendary. the other two refs were fine. i seriously cant even remember them or anything they did or didnt do which is a good sign. a good day reffing means you were invisible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OC Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I know there was a separate call where the SLU player (Cory) was on Boroski's side of the call, unlike the pics above. The crowd went nutty. But those (great) pics make it evident the Rammer nuttiness was after the Evans thing. Great pics. I totally disagree with the "a good day reffing means you were invisible" thing. How do you accomplish invisibility? Visibility comes from the arguing, body language, etc, of players and coaches. Officials don't make a call and ask for opinions... These are funny, but they also unfortunately trickle down to Jr High "players", parents, and "coaches": http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/photos/1302/nba-players-disagreeing-with-foul-calls/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 My buddies and I were watching that all transpire with Rammer. I agree that picture is Legendary. We should find a way to make that an everyday part of this Board, maybe put it on the front page of this site. Rammer should autograph every one of those pictures for us fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Get lost pal. I'm on the air here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlodoyle Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Apparently I got a little carried away in this picture. That ref sucked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Was that interaction carried on the air? Did anybody hear what was said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Get lost pal. I'm on the air here. Looks like George HW Bush and Laura Bush were at the game........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Looks like George HW Bush and Laura Bush were at the game........ MB brought 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Looks like George HW Bush and Laura Bush were at the game........ Holy crap! With Dick Cheney and his wife sitting right in front of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 MB brought 'em. I bet they hated to have to park 6 blocks away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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