ThreeTimeBilliken Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Isn't SLU a Catholic institution? What are their teachings on the subject? I don't think Roy is saying anything different than what the church teaches. Are you saying their teachings are false? But how do you hold the players to a Catholic standard and not the coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Isn't SLU a Catholic institution? What are their teachings on the subject? I don't think Roy is saying anything different than what the church teaches. Are you saying their teachings are false? SLU "welcomes students, faculty and staff from all racial, ethnic and religious backgrounds and beliefs." Not everyone at this school is catholic, nor does everyone at the school have the same beliefs as catholics. Individuals can believe what they want when it comes to religion, I've got no problem with that, but don't expect everyone to at the school to follow the Catholic teachings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b.hayes Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Why does it matter what the Church's teachings are? It's not a requirement to be a Catholic at SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesycow Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 SLU "welcomes students, faculty and staff from all racial, ethnic and religious backgrounds and beliefs." Not everyone at this school is catholic, nor does everyone at the school have the same beliefs as catholics. Individuals can believe what they want when it comes to religion, I've got no problem with that, but don't expect everyone to at the school to follow the Catholic teachings. I mean you can argue all day whether or not it's moral to be with a coed at 3am or not, but regardless it was clearly an error in judgement. Nowadays it's way too easy for athletes to derail their careers with stupid decisions like this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 I mean you can argue all day whether or not it's moral to be with a coed at 3am or not, but regardless it was clearly an error in judgement. Nowadays it's way too easy for athletes to derail their careers with stupid decisions like this one. To summarize their actions: Illegal: To be determined Stupid: Yes Immoral: Depends on who you ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 SLU "welcomes students, faculty and staff from all racial, ethnic and religious backgrounds and beliefs." Not everyone at this school is catholic, nor does everyone at the school have the same beliefs as catholics. Individuals can believe what they want when it comes to religion, I've got no problem with that, but don't expect everyone to at the school to follow the Catholic teachings. Are you trying to say that a private institution doesn't have core values? The university, if they choose has every right to set up standards for conduct if they choose. It seems like the only ones you don't have tolerance for, are the ones who actually try to adhere to the teachings of the church. Roy, gave his opinion, and was ridiculed. It just surprises me how little regard many Catholics have for their own teachings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 It just surprises me how little regard many Catholics have for their own teachings.Probably because the Catholic church itself fails to live up to its own teachings on morality. And Roy did more than give his own opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyRican Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Pedro: Ah, Jesus [pronounced hey-SOOS], I like him very much, but he no help with curveball. Eddie: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball? Jake: Let's not start a holy war now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeTimeBilliken Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 It just surprises me how little regard many Catholics have for their own teachings. I have great regard for the Catholic teachings and do my best to follow them. I just don't think it's proper for me to force those teachings on others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Are you trying to say that a private institution doesn't have core values? The university, if they choose has every right to set up standards for conduct if they choose. It seems like the only ones you don't have tolerance for, are the ones who actually try to adhere to the teachings of the church. Roy, gave his opinion, and was ridiculed. It just surprises me how little regard many Catholics have for their own teachings. Forgive me for I have sinned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For-DaLove Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Someone may have already mentioned this, but doesn't the law in Missouri state that a girl can't give consent if she has been drinking? In other words if a girl wants to claim rape after the fact, just because she had a few drinks in her, she can? I may be wrong on this, but I believe that is the case. I don't mean for this to be directed right at this situation seeing how we don't know what happened, I am just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Why does it matter what the Church's teachings are? It's not a requirement to be a Catholic at SLU.True that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUDrew Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 I have great regard for the Catholic teachings and do my best to follow them. I just don't think it's proper for me to force those teachings on others. Perfectly stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Someone may have already mentioned this, but doesn't the law in Missouri state that a girl can't give consent if she has been drinking? In other words if a girl wants to claim rape after the fact, just because she had a few drinks in her, she can? I may be wrong on this, but I believe that is the case. I don't mean for this to be directed right at this situation seeing how we don't know what happened, I am just curious. I can't imagine that's true. The same would have to hold true for a guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For-DaLove Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 I can't imagine that's true. The same would have to hold true for a guy. I didn't mean for it to seem like it was strictly like that for girls lol. I may be wrong, but I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Slumors? That's a classic. I see how you did that. A pun or play on words...hahha This is what bothers me about a lot of people on this board. You are so naive and think you know everything. Remember how 2 ex players were questioned? What do you think their role in this was in this. Bet if you knew what it was and who st slu informed me of the info you would look at things differently then one of your *** ass slumors Thats what people still call them today. I don't think we think we know everything. Which is why nobody has really come out and said kick these kids out of school. We want to make sure that they are guilty or at least there is enough evidence to warrant charges. I am not so naive as to believe members of this team were involved in something. I'm just not sure there was anything criminal. Maybe it was immoral in some peoples eyes. Was it criminal? Maybe, maybe not. We all are just waiting to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Probably because the Catholic church itself fails to live up to its own teachings on morality. And Roy did more than give his own opinions. Why don't we let the university speak for its self. http://www.slu.edu/x5021.xml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 I didn't mean for it to seem like it was strictly like that for girls lol. I may be wrong, but I'm not sure.Well then, if it was for both girls and guys no one could give consent after a couple of drinks. I'll be away from my computer this afternoon, I have a few civil suits to file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b.hayes Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Why don't we let the university speak for its self. http://www.slu.edu/x5021.xml That has already been quoted here, supporting your opposition in the argument. But thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Probably because the Catholic church itself fails to live up to its own teachings on morality. And Roy did more than give his own opinions. what would that "more" consist of? thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 I can't imagine that's true. The same would have to hold true for a guy. When I was at SLU that was the policy on campus and I knew someone expelled from the University because of it. Does anyone know if that is still the case? I am sure there are posters on this board that are current students that are aware of the University's rules concerning rape. That is why I do not see this ending even if the SLMPD decides not to file charges. These individuals may not face criminal charges, but I have to imagine they will go through a University hearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 what would that "more" consist of? thanks in advance.These aren't just statements of opinion. "you are so wrong. the players were wrong." "they shouldnt be together in anyone's room at 3 am by themselves. so yes it is improper." -post #87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesycow Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 These aren't just statements of opinion. "you are so wrong. the players were wrong." "they shouldnt be together in anyone's room at 3 am by themselves. so yes it is improper." -post #87 In roy's defense, those are his opinions by definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 In roy's defense, those are his opinions by definition.right, anybody who doesn't share Roy's opinion is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesycow Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 right, anybody who doesn't share Roy's opinion is wrong. ...in his opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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