thetorch
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56 minutes ago, Pistol said:
Maybe SLU understands that banning them from campus or forcing them off campus could do major damage to SLU's case. If SLU wants to get off on the right foot with this group and limit its financial downside, they're doing the right thing by letting them use campus for this. You don't have to like it to be able to understand the optics. It's not a question of strong vs. weak leadership, it's smart vs. stupid.
Meanwhile, I'm looking at how other colleges have responded when faced with the same or similar circumstances. There's a wide range:
- Virginia passed a law requiring 5 public universities (including VCU) to "make reparations through scholarships or community-based economic development and memorial programs".
- Georgetown created a $400,000-a-year reparations fund.
- Harvard set up a $100 million endowment fund for slavery reparations (Harvard's primary endowment is estimated to be near $50 billion).
UVA set up Universities Studying Slavery (USS), a consortium of over 100 colleges sharing best practices as they work through dealing with slavery in their histories. SLU is one of the schools participating.
SLU is one of many schools facing pressure from what is a national movement. I haven't been able to find any legal precedent that suggests SLU would actually be on the hook for a large amount of money. More likely, SLU will work with this group to address it in a way that involves a financial commitment, education, and memorialization, and it won't be anywhere near the numbers we're seeing in the headlines. If SLU actually does become the school that has to work through the legal system for this case, the current judiciary is going to be friendlier to the defendants than the plaintiffs. If it goes all the way to the top, I don't think the people who just killed affirmative action are going to open the door to broad-based reparations.
SLU will be fine.
It is one thing to entertain a political movement. It is another to placate to a group who is making baseless claims and seeking extraordinary damages through lies and faulty economics. By catering to the extreme, in this case a group requesting hundreds of millions of dollars, Pestello has set himself up to pay a higher price. What he should do is shut them down until they have a much more reasonable and thought out case.
What SLU should be doing for reparations is lowering the cost of their programs, cutting useless majors that don't equal jobs in our economy, and place a focus on creating majors that foster entrepreneurship, new technologies, and real free market economics. I hate to see an institution of higher learning embracing Marxist policies of wealth distribution and foisting it on their students and donors.
There are 50 million people currently living in slavery in the world today. That is a worthwhile cause that SLU should be addressing. If they want a mea culpa for past acts fix the current problems happening right now.
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Question - Why did SLU allow this group to have their press conference on the SLU campus?
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Memphis is terrible. They had the Morant suspension, now he's out for the season. Bane, Smart & Rose are all out currently. They have lost 9 straight and are tanking. This is a lost season for them. Right now their PGs are Gilyard and Scottie Pippen Jr, Goodwin is better than these guys. Hopefully he is given a chance to get some minutes and maybe start right away. This Grizzlies team is much worse than even the Wizards teams Goodwin was on. They are a terribly mismanaged franchise though and have been cycling through 10 day guys the past couple weeks, they've gone through 4. Not a great fit for Goodwin long term but I hope it gives him an opportunity to showcase. I really doubt he stays with them longer than the 10 day or 2 unless they just decide to keep their vets on IR the rest of the season. Theway Memphis roster is currently they will be lucky to win more than 4-5 games the rest of the season.
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It is true a team can only sign a player to two 10 day contracts....except if they are signed under the hardship exception which falls under a team having 4 or more players injured at once. Goodwin's contract with Memphis will almost certainly fall under the hardship exception so they will be able to sign him more than twice if needed. Memphis has 15 players already under contract, so without the hardship exemption means they wouldn't be able to sign another player.
10 day contracts can also be called 3 game contracts. During the 10 day contract the team must play 3 games, if they don't the contract is extended until the 3rd game is played. The contracts are paid by the day, so Goodwin is getting about 106,000 for ten days but if has to stay on the team for a couple extra days to get to the 3rd game, he gets paid for that as well.
Memphis can terminate the 10 day cotnract early, if they do Goodwin still gets paid for the full 10 days, the contracts are guaranteed.
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If you can stand living in New Mexico than that gig is one of the best in the country. Huge fan support, no media pressure, great facilities and gobs of money thrown at you. I think the SLU job is good but New Mexico is better.
I think Pitino is rounding into form as a HC. The Minnesota job sucks, no one wins there and no one wants to coach there. He's put New Mexico back on the map.
His offensive style leaves a lot to be desired and his recruiting is strange. He likes to recruit transfers and international. Local recruiting will dry up. He's not a bad candidate by any means but I don't know if he's in my top 5. I hope this is an indication that SLU is looking at legit candidates and not retired bums like Tom Crean.
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Sincere is the 4th player to drop 30 points in back to back games in SLU history. The others are McKinney, Bonner and Hughes. 21st player to have multiple 30 point games in their career & the 14th player to have multiple 30 point games in the same season. Only players with more 30 point games in the same season are Hughes 5, Bonner, Wiley, McKinney all with 4, and Jimmy Irving with 3.
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Detroit is the new Chicago St. Yikes.
One thing that always bugged me about Detroit. Dick Vitale has been the face of college basketball for decades, his claim to fame was being Detroit's HC. Detroit never has used his status to their advantage, ever. It seems they even ignore it. It's too late now but I would have had Vitale schill every chance he got for the school and help you out with hiring and marketing.
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On 2/8/2024 at 2:22 PM, JMM28 said:
Would never happen, but Soderberg would have tremendous value as one of these newly-allowed staff positions that can coach/scout.
That is what he does at Virginia. He's no longer a asst coach.
I think Brad's plan is to retire and assist on Kramer's staff at Milliken.
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We look fantastic!!! Lets ride this to an A10 Tourney Championship!!!! Extend Ford 20 years!!!
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3 hours ago, Slu let the dogs out? said:
What’s next, Jared Fogle as head of sports nutrition for MBB?
Only the Mens & Womens BB team get free Subway. Everyone else has to pay for it.
We'll finally bring back the football program with Jerry Sandusky as Head Coach.
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35 minutes ago, Scoop said:
I would look at Greg Heiar. Got let go after a few off court issues surfaced and he was kinda the scapegoat. Dude came to Mineral Area and has them ranked 2nd at 21-0 in his 1st year. Nice guy, young, coaches hard and has he team playing ridiculous defense. MAC is always good but I've never had so many people tell me I have to see this team play. They blow almost everyone out.
Terrible idea.
Really really hard to recruit athletes when guys get raped in your program.
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We are much more likely to lose out than win more than 1 game in the A10 tourney. It might be 50/50 that we win another game all year.
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Carrawell is a Dukie for life. He never goes for other jobs. Duke Asst is the easiest job in college basketball.
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I can't take SLU in any game. Odds are they run us off the court.
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6 hours ago, ACE said:
This was the tweet which prompted the thread. It wasn't a real rumor even remotely rooted in reality, in fact he even gave the disclaimer, starting and ending with "what if"
@bigguardbball
A BIG GUARDS DREAM 24hrs to go… what if Yuri Collins uses his covid year in Manhattan KS & is joined by Wendell Green who must sit out due to NCAA transfer rules. After a successful season behind Marquis Nowell, K-State seems to be the place for Small Guards to play #WhatIf
It was so stupid. The author of the thread conveniently didn't even include the twitter post which prompted his foolish post. It was disingenuous. Well, feel free to double down and defend it.
Ace/Detective always jumping in with half the story.
Here is how I wrote that thread
QuoteIt is all over the interwebs. Strangely not a peep here. Can't believe Courtside didn't have the inside scoop on this rumor?
Most likely destination - K St
Does this make Yuri
Less Likable?
More Likeable?
As Likeable?
Please discuss.
I used the word interwebs, my survey ripped off a scene from seinfeld. Anybody with a brain could see that the post, like many of mine, was at least partly made in jest. There were rumors of Yuri going to multiple locations prior to his sr year. K St was one of them. If you read the thread you will see the usual "insiders" agreeing with me, even courtside. Yet 2 years later Ace/Detective keeps bringing up this thread as some proof that I only post here to make up baseless rumors and disinformation. As the kids say now you are not a serious person.
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I've seen plenty of lists, I gave mine.
With this hire SLU has a chance to get a coach who could be here for 20 years and build a winning program with a winning system. I don't want a retread like Ford who may give us a fighting chance for 4 seasons and then end up getting fired.
McCollum fits this bill to a T. Early 40s. Ridiculous Xs and Os. Has a winning system. Pay him, get him here till he retires, win 10 A10 champiosnhips. recruiting in the NIL age will take care of itself money wise. McCollum has an ability to get players who can do well in his system and perform that other might not look at. We won't have to compete with the P6 programs for terrible transfers. We'll retain our own guys because they are getting paid good money, winning games and scoring 25-30 points a night.
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6 minutes ago, Soderball said:
I want some of what you're smoking. Normally I totally agree with you, this is nuts.
You saying he's going to DePaul or something? Back to Loyola?
And for the record of course I would wave around any amount of cash or whatever to bring Moser. That dude has got it.
The rumors have been out there for a couple months. Moser wants to emulate Majerus. Coaching is easier at a basketball only school especially when you have no idea who your AD is going to be.
I'm not saying we get him but second hand SLU boosters have reached out to gauge interest. DePaul is all over him. Their people are throwing around 3.5-4 mil a year for Wade or Moser.
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1 hour ago, slu72 said:
Sorry, Torch, facilities are probably way down on a recruit’s priorities. NIL $’s rule the day.
Yes we still have to pay them NIL money, but it is available. If we pay kids they will stay.
Teams are paying out the nose for "sure" things in the transfer market. This is where we can't compete and where we end with players like we have now.
Top HSers and JUCOs are getting left in the cold. Take care of them and they will stay. All kids want to get paid, the ones that move up to P6 from our level, want to get off bad teams or want to get more exposure for the pros. Pay them and they won't leave.
Look at our terrible teams and we managed to keep our 2-3 best players. Okoro, Collins, Jimerson all easily could have left for more money and better situations. If we can keep guys like that on mediocre and terrible teams we can keep even better guys on good and or great teams.
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1 hour ago, brianstl said:
People don’t want to hire an assistant coach, they don’t want to hire the creator of Dunk City a year removed from a three straight NCAA tournament run that included an Elite Eight run because LeBron screwed up his program, even some don’t want Moser for some reasons……
People aren’t going to have many candidates when DeVries and Schertz both take Big 10 jobs.
I would take Enfield, just not a HR hire for me personally. Better hire than Ford.
My preferred candidate is Ben McCollum.
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44 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:
Curious as to your source is this information. Moser is making $2.8 mill thru 2027.
His AD is retiring. He doesn't want to go through another one.
He doesn't like the pressure and all that comes with it of a BCS school that plays cheap with its basketball program.
Wants to return to his Jesuit roots.
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We've caught TheOne blowing smoke before.
It doesn't matter how much money or how many years he has left. We are dead last in the A10. He's fired.
Someone or several people will buy out his contract, and the person who gave him that contract will pay a price for handing it out.
In the same vein as I would stop supporting SLU if Ford was retained, I will stop supporting SLU if by giving out a foolishly large contract to a mediocre coach, they had to pay large sums to buy him out and went too cheap on the next coach because of it.
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50 minutes ago, slu72 said:
Not a bad idea. But, how do you outspend the predators that will come after them?
Teams that are making regular NCAAs aren't getting pilfered by bigger programs unless they are very low level, with Davidson type facilities.
If we have a good team, we have the facilities, money, a metro market they can use to make more cash.
top 150-300 players are the way to go.
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Delete your program and smash the motherboard if it doesn't have every team favored by 20 over SLU the rest of the season.
Off Topic - Group Calls For SLU to Pay Reparations to Slave Descendants
in Billikens.com Main Board
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Rumor has it when Ford gets fired he's using that money to franchise the Humphrey's experience. Humphrey's coming to Berea college campus in 2026.